Hindu wanting to discuss Islam

I am not sure if you are asking a question or telling us what you believe. I think you need to ascertain that first.

Secondly - You obviously haven't read the Quran as it starts of with the Mercy of Allah SWT. If you want to comment on our Quran I suggest you do actually read it. It would be preferable to consult a scholar in Islam.

Your comment about fear being the greatest weapon is ALREADY an insult on our Quran and frankly that was crude of you. Should you continue to make side lined remarks insulting our Quran from a one sided discussion I will have no option but to report the thread.

format_quote Originally Posted by Supernova

I am not sure if you are asking a question or telling us what you believe. I think you need to ascertain that first.

Secondly - You obviously haven't read the Quran as it starts of with the Mercy of Allah SWT. If you want to comment on our Quran I suggest you do actually read it. It would be preferable to consult a scholar in Islam.

Your comment about fear being the greatest weapon is ALREADY an insult on our Quran and frankly that was crude of you. Should you continue to make side lined remarks insulting our Quran from a one sided discussion I will have no option but to report the thread.

Hello brother Supernova,

English is not my first language brother. I am sorry I did not mean any offense or harm. I just expressed myself the best way I could. I just meant that people dont think clearly when they are fearful

I know many muslim friends and i would not ever want to disrespect Islam. Again i am sorry.

I have given my views but would like to know the Islamic arguments against my views.

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I forgot to add that i even raised this fear point with other 2 muslim friends and they did not take offense. so i felt it safe to here where people of all faiths come to look for answers. Sorry again

format_quote Originally Posted by nj0508

Hello everyone

I am a Hindu, I don't want to fight or argue with anyone, just want to have good intellectual dissucssions with muslims about Islam.

Welcomte to the forum

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I am born Hindu (not very strict) but i dont believe in idol worship, although i can understand why people worship idols - its just a medium, a means to an end. But i think that all religions ultimately carry same message. I think that you can follow any religion as long as you love god and pray to god however you best can, you cant go wrong. just dont do evil or wrong.

ehm...you are missing the point here my friend. in the first place you are right. yes, as long as you love God and believe in him, you cannot go wrong.
In Islam we believe that even if you have faith in God with the weight of a mustard grain...you will eventually enter Heaven. This confirms what you are stating.
That all religions express the same message, has a reason. If you believe in God and God always existed and created the universe, and thus was there all the time...then religion also was there from the beginning of the human kind on Earth. This means every time some group of humans wandered off from the right path, creating their own religion, God had to sent down a new prophet to guide that group of people back to the right path.
this eventually resulted in the many different religions we have today, and all of them do carry the same message because the origin is the same.
However, you should consider this. Muslims believe prophet Muhammed (sas) was the last prophet sent to us and the Quran is the original unchanged message directly from God. That is why having knowlegde about Islam, Muhammed (sas) or the Quran, and deliberately rejecting it is so dangerous...because it is kinda like rejecting God.

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I also think that people should follow religious books as guides but understand they have motives - dont take the motives as an order. Use your brain along with it, dont just follow words. God gave us brain to try and understand things. I think you should never ever follow something without giving your brain to it. I think alot of people misunderstand Quran.

of course they have motives, just like it is intended to be. you always use your brain and not follow orders without thinking about it...that is why a lot of people misunderstand the Quran.
to be clear, you cannot just read the Quran and expect to understand it. that is not an option, because then, you are missing out essential information.
for every verse you are reading, you should also know the background information about it like:
when was this verse revealed?
what was happening at that time in the world?
to what event does this verse refer to?
etc.
this kind of information you can find in tafsirs without it (Tafsir ibn Kathir is a reliable one, free to download as pdf or app), you won't be able to understand the Quran correctly.

format_quote Originally Posted by nj0508

I tried reading Quran but I dont understand why for everything you are told . if you do this then hell. If you do that then hell. You will go to hell for sure if you dont follow Islam. Well I guess fear is todays greatest weapon

Fear has nothing to do with it. Islam is a global religion. perhaps you have the luck to live in a good society with the right morals etc. but not everyone in the world have been raised by the same morals you know. so the Quran acts like a guideline here so that everyone, no matter which kind of morals you have been teached, can read what is right and what is wrong.

Islam is not about fear. On the contrary, Islam is a very peacefull religion.

format_quote Originally Posted by nj0508

Stealing drinking alcohol, drugs, smoking, girls. Nobody ever stopped me from these things but I keep far away from all this even when I had easy options. But I never swear or abuse. I never betray I keep my words and I have principles and self discipline. Why am I like this even though there was no restriction on me? I believe that god put inside all of us a guide on how to live. if everything is done with love then you cant go wrong - nobody can kill or steal with lovingly. You will keep getting guidance if your heart is filled with love.

Like said, praise yourself lucky that you were born and raised with the right morals. not everyone is just as lucky as you. I do agree with you that god put inside all of us a guide on how to live. we all know deep down inside what is right and what is wrong...intuitively...but still...some are more sensitive to this intuition, others less. some just need a little push like a confirmation or a guideline...and that is exactly what the Quran provides.

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I do agree with some parts of Islam but not everything. Why do you have to pray a certain way? Why cant i just pray to my god however i want. He is filled with love for us so why does everything be made fearful in Islam. I dont think god is so small minded that he will not accept prayer unless its in certain position facing certain direction and all clean. if i worship him i am sure the worship will reach him. doesnt matter where I stand or what I call him - allah or bhagwan or creator or energy, whatever. Why will he only listen when i recite readings from Quran.

Within Islam we have certain activities which can be refered to as "prayers" but they are not always the same as you understand by the term "prayings". Let me explain.
The kind of prayings like:
what Christians do like at dinner table, before going to bed
like just take a minute for yourself and pray for the food or oppurtunities
thank God for what he provided you
ask God for something to happen

These kind of prayers are the same for Muslims...and can be done anywhere, anytime, in any state. They are always valid, completely voluntarily and free. you do not have to pray like this in a certain way. It will always reach God and is always accepted. God always listens.

Besides this, Muslims have certain rituals, the obligatory 5 times a day scheduled ritual (also called prayers). This one serves a different purpose.
The benefit which man can derive from the Islamic prayer is immeasurable and the blessing of prayer is beyond imagination. This is not just a ‘theory’ or conventional assumption; it is a fascinating fact and a spiritual experience. Here is an explanation of the effectiveness of the Islamic prayer:
1. It strengthens the belief in the existence and goodness of God and transmits this belief into the innermost recesses of man’ s heart.
2. It enlivens this belief and makes it constructive in the practical course of life.
3. It helps man to realize his natural and instinctive aspirations to greatness and high morality, to excellence and virtuous growth.
4. It purifies the heart and develops the mind, cultivates the conscience and comforts the soul.
5. It fosters the good and decent elements in man and suppresses the evil and indecent inclinations.
When we analyze the Islamic prayer and study its unique nature, it will reveal to us that it is not merely a physical motion or a void recital of the Holy Book; the Qur’an. It is a matchless and unprecedented formula of intellectual meditation and spiritual devotion, of moral elevation and physical exercise, all combined.
It is an exclusively Islamic experience where every muscle of the body joins the soul and the mind in the worship and glory of God. It is difficult for anyone to impart in words the full meaning of the Islamic prayer yet it can be said that it is:
1. A lesson in discipline and willpower;
2. A practice in devotion to God and all worthy objectives;
3. A vigilant reminder of God and constant revelation of His Goodness;
4. A seed of spiritual cultivation and moral soundness;
5. A guide to the most upright way of life;
6. A safeguard against indecency and evil, against wrong deviation and stray;
7. A demonstration of true equality, solid unity, and brotherhood;
8. An expression of thankfulness to God and appreciation of Him;
9. A course of inner peace and stability;
10. An abundant source of patience and courage, of hope and confidence
This is the Islamic prayer, and that is what it can do for man. The best testimony to this statement is to experience the prayer and avail oneself of its spiritual joys. Then one will know what it really means.

format_quote Originally Posted by nj0508

If a muslim marries a non-muslim then hell. Why would god do that? As long as the people are good then why does it matter. If you burn your body or bury it- whats the difference. It will decompose either way. It all seems senseless to me.


Please give me your thoughts. Thank you for your time i really apologise if i offend in any way. I am just looking for answers.

Muslims believe that the deceased must be treated with the same respect as the living. This belief originates from the Prophet Mohammed’s statement that breaking the bone of the deceased’s body is like breaking it in life. Burning the dead for cremation, like breaking the bones of the dead or other such mutilation, is therefore prohibited, as is accepting or encouraging such treatment. According to some Muslims, the condemnation of cremation should extend to all living creatures including animals and plant life.

Just as it is forbidden to cremate a Muslim, it is also forbidden for a Muslim to cremate a non-Muslim. Muslims believe, based on the Prophet Mohammed’s teachings, that burning is a punishment that must only be delivered by the Creator, and that respect for the dead applies to Muslims and non-Muslims. A Muslim must not, therefore, cremate another, or participate in the act of cremation in any other way, such as by witnessing the event or approving of it.

There is only one situation in which cremation may be allowed in Islam. If large numbers of people are killed by disease that would spread through burial, burning of the bodies may be permitted. Prior to the cremation, the potential spread of disease through traditional burial must be proven and express permission must be given by authorities.

Hello everyone

I am a Hindu, I don't want to fight or argue with anyone(No one would assume that so it make think if you telling us or yourself this), just want to have good intellectual dissucssions with muslims about Islam.

I am born Hindu (not very strict)(So in other words you are not a law abiding Hindu?) but i dont believe in idol worship, although i can understand why people worship idols - its just a medium, a means to an end(So according to you, any means is fine as long as the end result is met). But i think that all religions ultimately carry same message(Which is?). I think that you can follow any religion as long as you love god and pray to god however you best can, you cant go wrong. just dont do evil or wrong. (How would you differentiate between Good and Evil without the advent of Faith?)

I also think that people should follow religious books as guides but understand they have motives - dont take the motives as an order (So after understanding the motive - a complete disobedience of the order is admissible ?). Use your brain along with it, dont just follow words (Hence the words must be incorrect?). God gave us brain to try and understand things. I think you should never ever follow something without giving your brain to it.(Mmm-You do know that's its impossible to follow something without the use of your brain right) I think alot of people misunderstand Quran.( And YOU understand it?...IMPRESSIVE)

I tried reading Quran but I dont understand (Mmm-in your previous sentence you indirectly claimed to have understand it, and now you suddenly don't understand something) why for everything you are told . if you do this then hell. If you do that then hell. You will go to hell for sure if you dont follow Islam. Well I guess fear is todays greatest weapon (Once again - for someone who claimed a misunderstanding on our behalf, you have missed the Mercy part which dominates most of the Quran- Why am I suddenly thinking you never really read the Quran?)

Stealing drinking alcohol, drugs, smoking, girls. Nobody ever stopped me from these things but I keep far away from all this even when I had easy options (The SAINT self Admittance - don't feel guilty on this one, its common on the forum) . But I never swear or abuse (SAINT x2). I never betray I keep my words and I have principles and self discipline.(SAINT x3) Why am I like this even though there was no restriction on me?(Because....you not a strict Hindu perhaps?) I believe that god put inside all of us a guide on how to live.(Like implanted?) if everything is done with love then you cant go wrong - nobody can kill or steal with lovingly(Even though they love to steal, its not done lovingly...mmm). You will keep getting guidance if your heart is filled with love.

I do agree with some parts of Islam but not everything. (Hence you cant make the statement that people misunderstand the Quran because you don't know everything-so you have triple contradicted yourself now in this issue) Why do you have to pray a certain way? Why cant i just pray to my god however i want. (LoL - did you just turn this into yourself or you still asking US as Muslims) He is filled with love for us so why does everything be made fearful in Islam.(This is getting boring now- You obviously missed the parts about Mercy) I dont think god is so small minded that he will not accept prayer unless its in certain position facing certain direction and all clean (So on that note, should any other arbitrary faith group destroy all Hindu Temples, I guess it wont make a difference to you because you don't believe in a point of reference and holiness of a site...and you agree with worshipping the Almighty like a filthy Animal...right?) . if i worship him i am sure the worship will reach him. doesnt matter where I stand or what I call him - allah or bhagwan or creator or energy, whatever. Why will he only listen when i recite readings from Quran. (Because its about the attributes of how perceive God that in itself defines your understanding )

If a muslim marries a non-muslim then hell. Why would god do that(well I'll hand it to you here, I can understand why you are confused regarding this matter, because in your faith Monkey Gods even married Human woman - I mean if you believe in that, Any creation can marry any creation - leave alone faith) As long as the people are good then why does it matter. (Where and how did you define Good?) If you burn your body or bury it- whats the difference. (I will refrain from insulting you intellect - if you have one- ) It will decompose either way. It all seems senseless to me(According to you now that wont make a difference hence intrinsically you can't question it)


Please give me your thoughts. Thank you for your time i really apologise if i offend in any way. I am just looking for answers. (And decided to tell us more about your faith ...well half faith since you not a law abiding Hindu)

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Hello brother Supernova,

English is not my first language brother(Oh, and yet you came on a predominant English Forum so that you can "understand" the answers to its fullest capacity YET English is not the best language you understand...). I am sorry I did not mean any offense or harm. I just expressed myself the best way I could(For your sake- I am hoping that wasn't your best because that rather self insulting). I just meant that people dont think clearly when they are fearful

I know many muslim friends and i would not ever want to disrespect Islam. Again i am sorry (Aww no Don't worry - You also practically made yourself into a Saint in the other post so relax dude)

I have given my views but would like to know the Islamic arguments against my views. (So you admitting it wasn't just a question - you want us to engage in comparative faith?)

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I forgot to add that i even raised this fear point with other 2 muslim friends and they did not take offense. so i felt it safe to here where people of all faiths come to look for answers. Sorry again

maybe I am a bit naieve here but he just tries to exchange thoughts here with us, so why the need to react in such aggressive manner Supernova?
No need for that.
Would our Prophet (sas) react in the same way if he was approached by someone asking a similar question? I don't think so.

always give someone the benefit of the doubt at first. Give him a chance.

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maybe I am a bit naieve here but he just tries to exchange thoughts here with us, so why the need to react in such aggressive manner Supernova?
No need for that.
Would our Prophet (sas) react in the same way if he was approached by someone asking a similar question? I don't think so.

always give someone the benefit of the doubt at first. Give him a chance.

format_quote Originally Posted by umie

maybe I am a bit naieve here but he just tries to exchange thoughts here with us, so why the need to react in such aggressive manner Supernova?
No need for that.
Would our Prophet (sas) react in the same way if he was approached by someone asking a similar question? I don't think so.

always give someone the benefit of the doubt at first. Give him a chance.

And I guess you missed the hidden insinuations to insult Islam in the original post that is rattled with contradictions on his own behalf.

There are many people who cleverly design this style of questioning to confuse the very core Aqaid of the Muslims thereby leading them into an abyss of deflation of their own faith.

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maybe I am a bit naieve here but he just tries to exchange thoughts here with us, so why the need to react in such aggressive manner Supernova?
No need for that.
Would our Prophet (sas) react in the same way if he was approached by someone asking a similar question? I don't think so.

always give someone the benefit of the doubt at first. Give him a chance.

And I guess you missed the hidden insinuations to insult Islam in the original post that is rattled with contradictions on his own behalf.

There are many people who cleverly design this style of questioning to confuse the very core Aqaid of the Muslims thereby leading them into an abyss of deflation of their own faith.

format_quote Originally Posted by Supernova

And I guess you missed the hidden insinuations to insult Islam in the original post that is rattled with contradictions on his own behalf.

There are many people who cleverly design this style of questioning to confuse the very core Aqaid of the Muslims thereby leading them into an abyss of deflation of their own faith.

That may or may not be his intention...I don't know...but I give him the benefit of doubt for now...
just please do not lose your cool and as long as he doesn't openly attacks or insults anyone...just react with love and compassing.

there is a chance that he truely just wants to have a friendly discussion is it not?
please don't turn him down.

I am completely new here, and I do not know anyone of you...so I am not defending or accusing anyone here. I really do not know his true intentions so I cannot answer for him.

I just don't think approaching someone in an agressive manner will get you anywhere. you should save you aggression for someone who is openly attacking you or your religion.

Maybe if I hang around here long enough I will behave in the same way I don't know...but for now, i think it is not entirely correct.

I, myself is trying to be a good muslim, so I can only give you 'my thought' from my perspective.

format_quote Originally Posted by nj0508

I tried reading Quran but I dont understand why for everything you are told . if you do this then hell. If you do that then hell. You will go to hell for sure if you dont follow Islam. Well I guess fear is todays greatest weapon

Yes, maybe you are correct, the fear of hell is driven us to do a 'good deed' and a 'good muslim', but please ask yourself what is the point to do a good deed when there's no hell or consequences at all? you can abuse anybody, do drugs, kill anybody that you don't like, go drunks, or stealing other without any consequences, loved or not loved by Allah will be different matter you're safe to do anything and anyone can do the same to you or your family, maybe you will not, but how about the others or me, since I think it's pointless to do any good deed especially if I'm the strongest one.

format_quote Originally Posted by nj0508

Stealing drinking alcohol, drugs, smoking, girls. Nobody ever stopped me from these things but I keep far away from all this even when I had easy options. But I never swear or abuse. I never betray I keep my words and I have principles and self discipline. Why am I like this even though there was no restriction on me? I believe that god put inside all of us a guide on how to live. if everything is done with love then you cant go wrong - nobody can kill or steal with lovingly. You will keep getting guidance if your heart is filled with love.

Since you do not describe what 'love' is in your perspective, do you know corruptors are corrupt because they love money, and you know they love doing it.

format_quote Originally Posted by nj0508

I do agree with some parts of Islam but not everything. Why do you have to pray a certain way? Why cant i just pray to my god however i want. He is filled with love for us so why does everything be made fearful in Islam. I dont think god is so small minded that he will not accept prayer unless its in certain position facing certain direction and all clean. if i worship him i am sure the worship will reach him. doesnt matter where I stand or what I call him - allah or bhagwan or creator or energy, whatever. Why will he only listen when i recite readings from Quran.

Actually, if you really read the Qur'an and also hadith, Allah has already answered this type of questions, why we pray in specific direction, why before we pray we should clean. Oh, you're very wrong, Allah do not only listen when you recite readings from Qur'an, Allah listen to all His creation, whether you're muslim or unbeliever, human or not or even devil, Allah grants to whom Allah wants. Become unbeliever does not mean Allah don't listen to you, it just proving that you're not obedient and you believe that you know better than Allah, so since muslim obey Allah that's why Allah promise that we will get a special place for our behaviour. assalamualaikum

format_quote Originally Posted by Supernova

Sarcasm is not rude - its Sarcasm - showing an obvious point.
By the way - there are people who speak hindi here should you need or Urdu .

The points I have brought forward are not a character assassination but one of intellectual academia. Obviously in failing to address that your only retort would be one of belittlement (or an attempt of).

The point is If you want to learn something - you need to empty your glass.

Instead of attempting to deform me in character - you can reply to the academic points I have brought forward. I have seen it one too many time where a failure on addressing a point turns into deforming of ones persona - which if you inspect your own reply would prove true that you didn't address any of my points.

It appears it was you who didn't inspect my reply - I didnt address your points because I said I would give them due thought. I like to think about things before replying senselessly.

Intellectual academia does not require insults with it, infact, it lowers the respect of the "intellectual".

If I am not mistaken, the Prophet Muhammad called people towards Islam through kindness and patience, not belittlement and sarcasm. Perhaps you should learn from him and change your bizarre method, before you end up pushing more people away from Islam.



For everyone else who kindly replied, I appreciate it many thanks and I will give all your words due time and thought before I reply.

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I didn´t find insults. Could you stop arguing there. Back to topic and one bucket of this to both of you.

Anyways, if you ( @Supernova ) think someone´s post includes insultings, report it to moderators. And @nj0508 here is also "ignoring other member´s posts" option (not sure if it´s available to Limited members).

No need to answer to my post - I am only a bystander here.

It's cool you can deal with it. I'll stand down (once again)

Why is it that you take offense so quickly to someone of a different faith inquiring about your religion, supernova? nj0508 brings up some good points and phrases them in a very respectful way. The fact that you see these as insulting just makes me think you are an extremist who ridicules anyone from another faith. Although some may argue you are being a good muslim in doing so, I personally feel we should respect others beliefs and curiosity. Doing otherwise only leads to conflict.