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    Question 001.

    I know about Halal ['permitted'], and Haram ['forbidden'], but as I spake with a Muslim man at a Seventh-day Adventist health clinic [who was there for his child needing dental work], some time ago at a Seventh-day Adventist church, about what I knew about the scriptural [Bible, KJB] universal obligatory dietary health laws of God in regards the physical, mental and spiritual for all mankind, he had mentioned another word [I suppose at this time it was then in arabic] which seemed to be a middle road, or a conscientious term, which was neither Halal, nor Haram. I have since forgotten what this word was, and I did not at that time have him spell it to me.

    Would anyone be able to remind me, by telling me, what this third option was? and if it is found in Qur'an, aHadith, Tafsir, etc, and if so, give specific location so that I may read about it myself, and if not, perhaps a history of where such a thing came from.
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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    I Googled in between Halal and Haram, and the first website listed shows five categories of behavior and Islam. Check it out.

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    The third type is Mushbooh, which means doubtful or unknown. It is not specifically defined, it is just a term used for anything that is of unknown origin and you do not know whether that is halal or haram. In this case, it is advisable to avoid such things until we can ascertain that they are indeed halal.

    A brief description is given here: http://www.muslimconsumergroup.com/i...ent_types.html
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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    I Googled in between Halal and Haram, and the first website listed shows five categories of behavior and Islam. Check it out.
    I think you are referring to
    1. Wajib (obligatory)
    2. Mandub (recomended )
    3. Mubah (permissible)
    4. Makruh (Offensive)
    5. Haram

    These are related to actions. I thought OP was speaking of food.
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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Probably the word you're after is MAKROOH, this is the word commonly known by Muslims and they understand it to be not exactly haram, but disliked, I.e, you can eat it, but better to refrain

    http://askimam.org/public/question_detail/16088
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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Thank you all, who have answered so swiftly and with documentation. It helps a lot. It was indeed Makrooh, but I had forgotten it. The other words are also helpful in another aspect. Thank you for those as well.

    Next question coming up.

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    Question 002.

    This question [at the bottom of this] involves the background, pedigree of Hagar/Agar/Hajira in the authentic Islamic sources.

    I shall begin how this question came to be, as it began with a statment I found while researching online in various places.

    Wikipedia [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagar_in_Islam [not the most accurate source, I know, but a place to begin an open inquiry]] states the following about the Islamic 'Hajar' [Hagar, Agar, Hajira]: "... He [Abraham] married a Pharos's daughter and her name was Hagar. ..."

    This statement, whether true or false [for I do not know what the primary authentic Islamic sources say on it], intrigued me. Yet, in all of the Islamic sources that I know to look for for authentic verification, I could not find in either a Qur'an [I find not her name mentioned even once therein, neither her pedigree], aHadith [Sahih], neither Tafsir where the Islamic 'Hajar' is a daughter of an Egyptian Pharos.

    What I could find in the primary authentic Islamic sources, was that she ['Hajar'] was an Egyptian [pagan] slave girl:

    Sahih Al-Bukahri Volume 3, Book 47, Number 803 reveals that the King of Egypt was a "pagan", and that Hagar ['Ajar, Hajar'] was "... a slave-girl for my [Sarah's] service ..."

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "The Prophet Abraham migrated with Sarah. The people (of the town where they migrated) gave her Ajar (i.e. Hajar). Sarah returned and said to Abraham, "Do you know that Allah has humiliated that pagan and he has given a slave-girl for my service?"

    Sahih Al-Bukahri Volume 4, Book 55, Number 578 reveals the same, saying, "... The tyrant then gave Hajar as a girl-servant to Sarah. ... game me [Sarah] Hajar for service. ..."

    Volume 4, Book 55, Number 578:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Abraham did not tell a lie except on three occasion. Twice for the Sake of Allah when he said, "I am sick," and he said, "(I have not done this but) the big idol has done it." The (third was) that while Abraham and Sarah (his wife) were going (on a journey) they passed by (the territory of) a tyrant.
    Someone said to the tyrant, "This man (i.e. Abraham) is accompanied by a very charming lady." So, he sent for Abraham and asked him about Sarah saying, "Who is this lady?" Abraham said, "She is my sister." Abraham went to Sarah and said, "O Sarah! There are no believers on the surface of the earth except you and I. This man asked me about you and I have told him that you are my sister, so don't contradict my statement." The tyrant then called Sarah and when she went to him, he tried to take hold of her with his hand, but (his hand got stiff and) he was confounded. He asked Sarah. "Pray to Allah for me, and I shall not harm you." So Sarah asked Allah to cure him and he got cured. He tried to take hold of her for the second time, but (his hand got as stiff as or stiffer than before and) was more confounded. He again requested Sarah, "Pray to Allah for me, and I will not harm you." Sarah asked Allah again and he became alright. He then called one of his guards (who had brought her) and said, "You have not brought me a human being but have brought me a devil." The tyrant then gave Hajar as a girl-servant to Sarah. Sarah came back (to Abraham) while he was praying. Abraham, gesturing with his hand, asked, "What has happened?" She replied, "Allah has spoiled the evil plot of the infidel (or immoral person) and gave me Hajar for service." (Abu Huraira then addressed his listeners saying, "That (Hajar) was your mother, O Bani Ma-is-Sama (i.e. the Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, Hajar's son)."

    Sahih Al-Bukahri Volume 7, Book 62, Number 21 reveals the same, saying, "... (The tyrant) gave her [Sarah] Hajar. Sara said, "... gave me Hajar to serve me. ..."

    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 21:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    The Prophet said: Abraham did not tell lies except three. (One of them was) when Abraham passed by a tyrant and (his wife) Sara was accompanying him (Abu Huraira then mentioned the whole narration and said (The tyrant) gave her Hajar. Sara said, "Allah saved me from the hands of the Kafir
    (i.e. infidel) and gave me Hajar to serve me." (Abu Huraira added That (Hajar) is your mother, O Banu Ma'-As-Sama' (i.e., the Arabs).

    Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Chapter 38, Number 5848, says, "... he [tyrant] gave Hajira ['Hagar, Hajar, Ajar'] as a gift to her [Sarah]. ... gave me [Sarah] a maid-servant. ..."

    Book 030, Number 5848:

    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) never told a lie but only thrice: two times for the sake of Allah (for example, his words):" I am sick," and his words:" But it was the big one amongst them which has done that" and because of Sara (his wife). He had come in a land inhabited by haughty and cruel men along with Sara. She was very good-looking amongst the people, so he said to her: If these were to know that you are my wife they would snatch you away from me, so if they ask you tell that you are my sister and in fact you are my sister in Islam, and I do not know of any other Muslim in this land besides I and you. And when they entered that land the tyrants came to see her and said to him (the king): 'there comes to your land a woman, whom you alone deserve to possess, so he (the kings sent someone (towards her) and she was brought and Ibrahim (peace be upon him) stood in preyer, and when she visited him (the tyrant king came) he could help but stretch his hand towards her and his hand was tied up. He said: Supplicate Allah so that He may release my hand and I will do no harm to you. She did that and the man repeated (the same highhandedness) and his hand was again tied up more tightly than on the first occasion and he said to her like that and she again did that (supplicated), but he repeated (the same highhandedness and his hands were tied up more tightly than on the previous occasion). He then again said: Supplicate your Lord so that He may set my hand free; by. @llah I shall do no harm to you. She did and his hand was freed. Then he called the person who had brought her and said to him: You have brought to me the satan and you have not brought to me a human being, so turn them out from my land, and he gave Hajira as a gift to her. She returned (along with Hajira) and when Ibrahim (peace be upon him) saw her, he said: How have you returned? She said: With full safety (have I returned). Allah held the hand of that debauch and he gave me a maid-servant. Abu Hiaraira said: O sons of the rain of the sky, she is your mother.

    Tafsir of Ibn Kathir [abridged 10 Volume, PDF page 3218, under section "How Ibrahim Broke The Idols", commenting on Al Anbiya 21:57-63]
    , is it said, ".... Take her out and give her Hajar. So she was taken out and given Hajar, and she went back. When Ibrahim realized that she had come back, he finished his prayer and turned around. He said, "What happened'' She said, "Allah took care of the evil disbeliever's plot, and he gave me Hajar as a servant.'') ..."

    The various statements I read in the primary authentic Islamic sources seem to corroborate the Biblical [KJB] account, that Hagar was only an pagan Egyptian slave-girl of no noble birth [ie. not the daughter of the king of Egypt, yet his slave-girl] whatsoever, as read from the following verses:

    The account given by the prophet of Jehovah, - Moses, in Genesis [KJB]:

    Genesis 16:1 KJB - Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
    Genesis 16:2 KJB - And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
    Genesis 16:3 KJB - And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

    Genesis 16:8 KJB - And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

    Genesis 21:9 KJB - And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.
    Genesis 21:10 KJB - Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
    Genesis 21:11 KJB - And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
    Genesis 21:12 KJB - And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
    Genesis 21:13 KJB - And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

    Genesis 21:21 KJB - And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

    Genesis 25:12 KJB - Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:

    and the Apostle Paul's New Testament Epistle to the Galatians:

    Galatians 4:21 KJB - Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
    Galatians 4:22 KJB - For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
    Galatians 4:23 KJB - But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
    Galatians 4:24 KJB - Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
    Galatians 4:25 KJB - For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
    Galatians 4:26 KJB - But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
    Galatians 4:27 KJB - For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
    Galatians 4:28 KJB - Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
    Galatians 4:29 KJB - But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
    Galatians 4:30 KJB - Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
    Galatians 4:31 KJB - So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

    Therefore, with these finds in my own personal research and studies, I came to the question:

    Is there specific reference in the primary authentic Islamic sources where Hagar [Hajar, Hajira, Agar] is actually stated to be the daughter of the king of Egypt, Pharaoh and not just a slave-girl of pagan Egypt? If so, would you please cite and list that source/s with link [where possible]. If not, does anyone know where such a statement about Hagar would come from in the Islamic theology? Thank you for any and all assistance here.

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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Hello Desire of Ages,

    I cannot find much about this issue. The name Hajar is not mentioned in the Quran...that is for sure. Various Islamic sources do mention her name and identity and some of them even say that Hajar was Firavuns daughter. However all sources that mention that, seem to point to the one much older source: the Thorah.
    I did not check it yet, but it looks that the Thorah mentions something that Hajar was Firavuns daughter and some of the Islamic encyclopedia's accept the Thorah as a reliable source untill a certain point.

    What is clear from this is, that Hajar was an important person for Firavun and she was given away as a slave girl to Sara.

    But this is an interesting discussion you brought into light. It is the first time I see that Islamic sources relying on information in the Thorah.

    I will report if I can find more information.

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    Hajar was probably not a pharos daughter as she was a slave girl.

    Pharos daughter will be a princess right?

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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Wikipedia is not very reliable.

    See link about hajar handed over by a tyrant king to Sarah.

    http://www.alim.org/library/biograph...and%20Hajar%20

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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu-Abdullah View Post
    Hajar was probably not a pharos daughter as she was a slave girl.

    Pharos daughter will be a princess right?
    No.
    The pharao gave Hajar to Sara as a gift to be her slave. This does not automatically mean that she was a slave girl before.
    she still could be Pharao's daughter and maybe she did do something that the Pharao did not like and as a punishment decided to give her away as a slave girl...that part of information is missing here...I just assumed that.

    what we know is she was Sara's slave...and that she was a gift from the pharao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umie View Post
    No.
    The pharao gave Hajar to Sara as a gift to be her slave. This does not automatically mean that she was a slave girl before.
    she still could be Pharao's daughter and maybe she did do something that the Pharao did not like and as a punishment decided to give her away as a slave girl...that part of information is missing here...I just assumed that.

    what we know is she was Sara's slave...and that she was a gift from the pharao.
    Thank you all for your responses and openness about this question, as it was intriguing to me as to where such a thing would come from on the wiki or in Islamic theology [ie, its origin], and let me know if any find anything more concrete and demonstrable. I am looking for un-assumed materials, that which is demonstrable or facts, even truth.

    I especially thank daughter of Adam, Umie for her kind reply. However, currently, I must disagree with any position which regards Hajar still possibly being the daughter of a Pharos [king of Egypt], according to the Islamic authentic source, since it is written that she [Hajar] was a slave-girl before being given for Sarah's service, which is how Sahih al Bukhari, narrated by Abu Huraira [a most close companion of Muhammad]:

    Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 3, Book 47, Number 803 reveals that the King of Egypt was a "pagan", and that Hagar ['Ajar, Hajar'] was "... a slave-girl for my [Sarah's] service ..."

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "The Prophet Abraham migrated with Sarah. The people (of the town where they migrated) gave her Ajar (i.e. Hajar). Sarah returned and said to Abraham, "Do you know that Allah has humiliated that pagan and he has given a slave-girl for my service?"

    Thank you again, and now I will come to my next question, and if any come to further evidences, just let me know to which question you are addressing and then give that documented evidence/s.

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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Hello desire of ages,
    You understood me wrong. İ did not say she was pharao's daughter. İ just said that appearantly is stated in the Thorah that she was Pharao's daughter...and then tried to reason for myself why the pharao would give his daughter away to be someones slave...İ was just brainstorming about it.
    İ will try to find more information about it.
    By the way...the hadith you mentioned, İ still can not conclude exclusively, that she still could not be pharao's daughter. Don't forget that this is just a translation of the original hadith.
    Maybe İ am making it too difficult.
    Let me search a little bit further...and thanks for this discussion...it is a lot of fun...and educating too.

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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    The following is taken from the ‘Midrash Rabbah – Genesis 1’. Note that capitalised portions are as found in the text; and that the two footnotes (marked **) are also as found in the text:

    'AND SHE HAD A HANDMAID, AN EGYPTIAN. She was a handmaid of 'plucking'** whom he (Abram) was bound to support but might not sell.

    ** This is a technical term, describing the portion of a wife's dowry, the usufruct of which the husband enjoys without responsibility for loss or deterioration. From the term she had it is deduced that Abram's rights in her were limited.

    'R. Simeon b. Yohai said: ‘Hagar was Pharaoh's daughter. When Pharaoh saw what was done on Sarah's behalf in his own house, he took his daughter and gave her to Sarah, saying: “Better let my daughter be a handmaid in this house than a mistress in another house”; thus, it is written, AND SHE HAD A HANDMAID, AN EGYPTIAN, WHOSE NAME WAS HAGAR, he (Pharaoh) saying: ‘Here is thy reward (agar).'

    'AND SARAI, ABRAM'S WIFE, TOOK HAGAR THE EGYPTIAN (xvi, 3). She persuaded [took] her with words: 'HAPPY art thou to be united to so holy a man’. AND GAVE HER TO ABRAM HER HUSBAND TO BE A WIFE TO HIM, but not to another; To BE A WIFE, but not a concubine**

    **Hagar was to enjoy all the rights of a wife.’ (Chapter Fourteen; pages 379-381).

    Comment:

    It is quite clear from the text that Hagar was a handmaid rather than a slave. It is said that Abram had limited rights over her. Had she been a slave there would have been no limit to his rights (including the right to sell her; a right he did not possess).

    It is also clear that Hagar became the wife of Abram – and not a concubine; and that she enjoyed all the rights of a wife (the same rights as Sarai).
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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Quote Originally Posted by umie View Post
    No.
    The pharao gave Hajar to Sara as a gift to be her slave. This does not automatically mean that she was a slave girl before.
    she still could be Pharao's daughter and maybe she did do something that the Pharao did not like and as a punishment decided to give her away as a slave girl...that part of information is missing here...I just assumed that.

    what we know is she was Sara's slave...and that she was a gift from the pharao.
    Namrood gave her hajar; he was the king of the time. There was no other 'Pharoah' around, and he wouldn't give his own daughter as a slave would he?

    So all indications are, that she was not a pharos daughter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu-Abdullah View Post
    Namrood gave her hajar; he was the king of the time. There was no other 'Pharoah' around, and he wouldn't give his own daughter as a slave would he?

    So all indications are, that she was not a pharos daughter
    It can't be Namrood, because if I am not mistaken, he was the one who threw Ibraheem in fire. The same one cannot gift him anything.

    Or was that another king?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AabiruSabeel View Post
    It can't be Namrood, because if I am not mistaken, he was the one who threw Ibraheem in fire. The same one cannot gift him anything.

    Or was that another king?
    Namrood is a guess from me really ☺

    The same 'Pharoah' raised Musa pbuh in his house didn't he and then tried to kill him.

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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    The case is different here. The chronology of events do not make sense if we say that he first gifted him Hajar and then later threw him in fire.

    In any case, there are Ahadeeth quoted above in previous posts which indicate that it was the king of Egypt who gifted him Hajrah .

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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Question 003.

    This question is similar to the asked for source materials as I had originally asked about in the Introduction thread - An introductory question & Greeting

    I have many primary authentic Islamic materials in PDF format, from various Qur'anic translations of the Uthamanic rescension with Zaid ibn Thabit [al-Hilali-Khan, Yusuf-Ali, Pickthall, Shakir, etc] [with access to other texts with variants besides Hafs, Warsh, Ruh, al Duri, Abu Harith, al-Susi, al Bazzi, etc] &c, by Ibn Mas'ud, Ubayy bin Kab, as well as Topkapi Mushaf [Turkey, Istanbul], Sammarqand Mushaf [Tashkent], Ma'il [Britain, Hijazi text], Petropolitanus [Paris], Houseini [al-Mashhad al-Husayni; Cairo Egypt], Sana'aa Mss [see Al Mushaf Al Sharif, by Prof. Dr. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, and Dr. Tayyar Altikulac]]&c.], to the Sahih ahadith [al Bukhari, Muslim, Jami at-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, An Nasa I, Ibn Majah][and others], as well as the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir [Abridged 10 Volumes] and al Jalalain. However, I only have a portion of al Qurtubi [Volume 1], and al Tabari [Volume 1], and other historical materials, as Bisl O Seh Sal [23 Years by Ali Dashti], Battles of the Prophet by Ibn Kathir, Ibn Ishaq's siratul Rasu'allah, Biographies of the Rightly Guided Caliphs, As Suyuti History of the Caliphs, As Suyuti Al Itqan Fi Ulum Al Quran, Qur'anic Index, material by Gerd Puin, etc..

    Would anyone be able to post the online links to the entire PDF materials [in English, with Arabic, where available], where I may freely download, to the whole of:

    [1] al Qurtubi [whole]
    [2] al Tabari [whole]
    [3] Ibn Kathir [not abridged, ie whole entire]
    [4] Ibn Isham's siratul Rasu'allah

    I could really use these materials, if anyone may post a link to the free downloadable PDF materials. Thank you for all assistance.

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    Question 003.

    This question is similar to the asked for source materials as I had originally asked about in the Introduction thread - An introductory question & Greeting

    I have many primary authentic Islamic materials in PDF format, from various Qur'anic translations of the Uthamanic rescension with Zaid ibn Thabit [al-Hilali-Khan, Yusuf-Ali, Pickthall, Shakir, etc] [with access to other texts with variants besides Hafs, Warsh, Ruh, al Duri, Abu Harith, al-Susi, al Bazzi, etc] &c, by Ibn Mas'ud, Ubayy bin Kab, as well as Topkapi Mushaf [Turkey, Istanbul], Sammarqand Mushaf [Tashkent], Ma'il [Britain, Hijazi text], Petropolitanus [Paris], Houseini [al-Mashhad al-Husayni; Cairo Egypt], Sana'aa Mss [see Al Mushaf Al Sharif, by Prof. Dr. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, and Dr. Tayyar Altikulac]]&c.], to the Sahih ahadith [al Bukhari, Muslim, Jami at-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, An Nasa I, Ibn Majah][and others], as well as the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir [Abridged 10 Volumes] and al Jalalain. However, I only have a portion of al Qurtubi [Volume 1], and al Tabari [Volume 1], and other historical materials, as Bisl O Seh Sal [23 Years by Ali Dashti], Battles of the Prophet by Ibn Kathir, Ibn Ishaq's siratul Rasu'allah, Biographies of the Rightly Guided Caliphs, As Suyuti History of the Caliphs, As Suyuti Al Itqan Fi Ulum Al Quran, Qur'anic Index, material by Gerd Puin, etc..

    Would anyone be able to post the online links to the entire PDF materials [in English, with Arabic, where available], where I may freely download, to the whole of:

    [1] Tafsir al Qurtubi [whole]
    [2] Tafsir al Tabari [whole]
    [3] Tafsir Ibn Kathir [not abridged, ie whole entire]
    [4] Ibn Isham's siratul Rasu'allah

    I could really use these materials, if anyone may post a link to the free downloadable PDF materials. Thank you for all assistance.

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    Re: My Questions, If You May Kindly Answer Please With Sources, Thank You!

    Quote Originally Posted by AabiruSabeel View Post
    The case is different here. The chronology of events do not make sense if we say that he first gifted him Hajar and then later threw him in fire.

    In any case, there are Ahadeeth quoted above in previous posts which indicate that it was the king of Egypt who gifted him Hajrah .
    Yeah the last bit makes sense if namrood was not eygypts king.

    However he could have thrown Ibrahim (as) into the fire once Ibrahim relentlessly took namrood and his people the message of tawhid.

    Once not so vicious, later a sworn enemy?, that makes sense don't it?

    Regarding chronology, when did he get thrown into fire?, before Ismael's birth or after?, the gift was given before...

    The king also tried to rape Ibrahim's wife and gave Sarah a gift as she done a good deed for him.

    The gift was given to Ibrahim's pbuh 'sister' and and not Ibrahim himself, after she saved him from an epileptic seizure (that was just after he repeatedly tried to rape her) so this is different than giving Ibrahim a gift out of good-will
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