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    Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly...


    Quote Originally Posted by bewildred View Post
    Hello y'all,

    I've got a question that I really like to be answered. While brothers' clothes have to be above the ankles for the reasons we know, I noticed that the clothes of the women wearing niqab was hanging loose on the ground collecting all kinds of dirt and dust. Would you enlighten me on this difference?

    Thanks in advance

    S.
    what are you saying? that men and women should have the same length hem
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    Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly...


    Quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post

    Spiritually I now feel niqaab is my safety blanket. If I loose it I loose it all...stranger to it. For me by wearing niqaab I become that stranger. I travel through the world detached from it.

    There is a barrier between me and the world.

    ... I am in my own world and by far it is not the dunya...


    So here I am saying that I love the niqaab because it isolates me from others. But surely as social human beings it can be lonely?? Another general principle in tazkiyah as well as expressed in many ahadith is that being alone is better than having bad company. And having good company is better than being alone. By wearing niqaab yes I am lonely but I dont have the bad company. Because the bad company is repelled by the niqaab. Those who are able to get past the niqaab, and communicate to me, both muslims and the odd non-muslim have some morals or good qualities to them that make them good company. For the non-muslims they have a perception, an open-mindedness and questioning mind which will inshaAllah lead them down to accepting Islam. I need not explain muslims being good company for them being muslim in the first place gives them these good qualities.

    ... People who are in the dunya are so far removed from their fitrah they have forgotten who they are.
    alright, so, the stuff in the middle sort of explains it, and is quite good, but the underlined portion? is that really a correct sentiment to express: to be detached from the world, to be a stranger etc?

    dunno if I'm reading too much, but this seems to be taking things out of context a bit too much, 'this world' is what determines everything in the first place, and Muslims are supposed to be Allah's 'Khalifah' on earth as per the qur'an, that is not achieved by detachment and strangeness as general principles.
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    Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly...


    Quote Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed View Post
    what are you saying? that men and women should have the same length hem


    Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5450.

    *It was narrated from Abu Dharr that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are three to whom Allaah will not speak on the Day of Resurrection and will not look at them or praise them, and theirs will be a painful torment.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repeated it three times. Abu Dharr said: “May they be doomed and lost; who are they, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said: “The one who lets his garment hang beneath his ankles, the one who reminds others of favours he has done, and the one who sells his product by means of false oaths


    I am saying that those who let their clothes below their ankles go to hell. I guess it's not the case for women. Is it a matter of 'awrah or something?



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    Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly...


    Quote Originally Posted by bewildred View Post
    Hello y'all,

    I've got a question that I really like to be answered. While brothers' clothes have to be above the ankles for the reasons we know, I noticed that the clothes of the women wearing niqab was hanging loose on the ground collecting all kinds of dirt and dust. Would you enlighten me on this difference?

    Thanks in advance

    S.

    I don't know that there is sahih daleel to back up what those women do, Allahu 'Alam. But it doesn't really make sense to me, because as the fabric drags through the dirt and dust, it can pick up all kinds of impurities (like bird mess, impure water at the curb, etc.). Wouldn't those impurities cause the clothing to become impure, meaning they would have to remove it in order to pray? I've seen women praying in garments that have been dragged all over town, and...I don't know...it just seems kind of odd.

    It would be nice to know why some women do this, although, no matter what they say, I'd still be inclined to keep my abaya to about ankle length.

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    Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly...


    Thank you sister zanjabeela. You worded out exactly what I was thinking. I'm so afraid to be misunderstood that I generally use the wrong words,lol.
    Last edited by bewildred; 07-12-2009 at 09:25 AM.
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    Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly...


    Quote Originally Posted by bewildred View Post
    Thank you sister zanjabeela. You worded out exactly what I was thinking. I'm so afraid to be misunderstood that I generally use the wrong words,lol.
    Awesome, I'm glad that there is at least one other person who gets me (:

    And don't worry about being misunderstood--people will just query you till they get what you mean! *hugs*
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    jazakallah khayr for posting that up

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    Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly...


    Quote Originally Posted by bewildred View Post
    Hello y'all,

    I've got a question that I really like to be answered. While brothers' clothes have to be above the ankles for the reasons we know, I noticed that the clothes of the women wearing niqab was hanging loose on the ground collecting all kinds of dirt and dust. Would you enlighten me on this difference?

    Thanks in advance

    S.
    Hi bewildred.

    This may help:

    If a woman lengthens her garment by a handspan, it will lead to the garment getting dirty, so how can she pray in it?


    Q.My question is referring to an answer which said that the Prophet (saw) allowed women for thir jilbaabs to trail on the floor as so to cover their bodies completely, but if we were to do this would this not collect the dirt and filth that may be present on the ground, therefore if we were to pray would this nullify the prayer?.

    A.Praise be to Allaah.

    The society of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them all) was extremely keen to protect women and cover their ‘awrahs (parts of the body that are Islamically considered as private parts), and a woman is all ‘awrah, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said. So when a woman goes out she should cover her entire body, even her feet. Hence they used to make a “tail” i.e., a woman would make her garment long so that it would be like a tail behind her, so that nothing of her body would show.

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: This is what they did when they went outside the house. But inside the house they did not wear that.

    Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/119

    What you have said – may Allaah guide you – about her garment getting dirty, is as nothing in comparison with the idea of protecting women and closing the door to evil and fitnah (temptation) in society.

    You should note that the basic principle is that women should stay in their houses, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And stay in your houses”

    [al-Ahzaab 33:33]

    So women should not go out unless it is necessary.

    With regard to what you mention about the clothes getting dirty, and that some impurity (najaasah) may get into them, that is possible. This question was raised at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It was narrated that the umm walad [a concubine who had borne a child to her master] of Ibraaheem ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf said: I used to drag my ‘tail’ (i.e., let my garment drag along the ground) and I would pass through filthy places and clean places. Umm Salamah entered upon me and I asked her about that, and she said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “What comes after it purifies it.” (Narrated by Imam Ahmad, 25949; al-Tirmidhi, 143; Ibn Maajah, 531. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani. See Saheeh Abi Dawood, 369).

    See al-Muntaqi Sharh al-Muwatta’ by al-Baaji, 1/65

    And Allaah knows best.
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    Re: Women who wear hijab and niqab willingly...


    Awkay, that's exactly the answer I was seeking. Thanks Brother. Jazaka Ellahou khayran.


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