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    Re: The Inevitable Collapse of Feminist Societies

    Only controversial in feminist cultures. Every traditional culture in history has understood this.

    "Were our State a pure democracy, there would yet be excluded from their deliberations, women, who, to prevent depravation of morals and ambiguity of issue, could not mix promiscuously in the public meetings of men." -- Thomas Jefferson

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    Subhanallah, Islam the inevitable truth!
    Jazak allah khair for the post brother.

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    Re: The Inevitable Collapse of Feminist Societies

    Woah, that hit me like a truck, especially that last line. The Inevitable Collapse of Feminist Societies

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    Re: The Inevitable Collapse of Feminist Societies

    I didn't get the last line.. Who's going to take away the freedom from them? Muslims? Shaytan?
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    I see it´s quite cheap philosophy - right to vote for women isn´t that bad thing which would "collapse the whole society". The bigger reason might be not following the religion but greed and money.
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    We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.




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    Salaam

    Quote Originally Posted by fschmidt View Post
    Only controversial in feminist cultures. Every traditional culture in history has understood this.

    "Were our State a pure democracy, there would yet be excluded from their deliberations, women, who, to prevent depravation of morals and ambiguity of issue, could not mix promiscuously in the public meetings of men." -- Thomas Jefferson
    Yes the family system in western societies has been degenerating for some time now.

    From this



    To this

    So Much for 'Father's Day' - in a Country Where Fatherhood is Dying Out

    https://www.islamicboard.com/family-amp-society/134320450-fathers-day-country-fatherhood-dying-3.html#post2954477

    Feminism cant be soloely blamed, they were backed by powerful interests.



    They played their role. The damage that has been done will take a long time to repair.
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    Salaam

    Slightly off topic, more and more men are beginning to challenge the shibboleths of feminism.



    Impressive how he kept his cool against this harpy. Take notes
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    Re: The Inevitable Collapse of Feminist Societies

    wait ...what?
    people are advocating here that women should not have a right to vote?!
    like do they want to treat women like chattel again and keep them locked up only to be allowed free to cook and make babies.
    What the heck is wrong with people then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lgrant View Post
    wait ...what?
    people are advocating here that women should not have a right to vote?!
    like do they want to treat women like chattel again and keep them locked up only to be allowed free to cook and make babies.
    What the heck is wrong with people then?
    The right to vote in the West is only an illusion of freedom that convinces the common dupe that they have a say in how their government operates. They don't. Secondly, participating the in the political process of the disbelievers and approving of their legislation is kufr. This is not how Islam operates.
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    "When a person sees the road as too long, he weakens in his walk." - Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah

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    salaam

    Muslims need to be careful that just because you might not agree with many things in western secular feminism - you shouldn't counter that with MRA, right wing conservative, red pill types - they are even more stupid and destructive.

    peace
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    Re: The Inevitable Collapse of Feminist Societies

    Quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    salaam

    Muslims need to be careful that just because you might not agree with many things in western secular feminism - you shouldn't counter that with MRA, right wing conservative, red pill types - they are possibly even more stupid and destructive.

    peace
    Well, you have to understand from their point of view.

    A) Woman are perfect man are imperfect.
    B) Law favors women against men.
    C) Custody of children 99% given to the mother (when scientific study have shown that single fathers raise children better than single mothers. Especially for boys. There over 30 years of scientific research to back this up.)
    D) Women can file false allegation and send the man to prison and poison the children to hate their father and cut ties and no one cares.
    E) Women can take more than half the man's wealth and put him in the street and demand life time alimony and child support and if the man fails he goes to prison.
    F) There are the hash tag me too movement if you have not noticed it in USA.
    G) Feminist ideology is that it is ok to put man in prison for false allegation, ruin his life and destroy him if it means having feminist progress. (These are not just theory but law enforced.)
    H) Education are now hostile for boys. While naturally girls are better than boys in education we leave it at that and do nothing to help boys catch up or do good in school. But back then when boys where ahead of girls in school we had to do every single men to get girls to catch up to boys. we drug boys to turn them into little girls.

    So, you can see if a man decide to go mgtow or man going his own way...in away I don't blame them. If a man feel he is powerless in all regard and the best thing he could do is just live his own life without getting married and have children and be self centered and focus on his own need, how can you say that is worse than feminist? Odd thing to say. These men just don't want to get married and have children and want to live their lives and enjoy their lives without any of all that drama in their lives. I don't blame them. Personally, I would do the same to be honest. If I know I have no value, I am demonized, I am marginalized, I am just a sperm donor and human wallet...I too will opt out of the entire deal. I think more boys should do marriage strike in my opinion until unfair laws against men changes.

    Now if we don't care about men's/boy's right at all and prefer only women and girls right I am also going the other extreme route. The route where we decrease the male population to a very few amount (feminist greatest utopia and fantasy) and turn women into worker bee. Look at the bee colony and see how it functions. In bee colony there is the queen, the female worker and the drone. This can work also in human civilization. We will have one queen, they will fight each other to become queen and one kills the other and who wins the battle become the queen of the nation. In this civilization we will have 98% of the population female. However, they are forbidden from making babies. They go out and work. These female works build society, they build high rises and buildings, teach at school and run business and invent things and do things that was one for men now women take complete over. Then we have the drone. The drone is simple, few male populations where they will be fed and taken care of to mate and only handful male children are born the rest are terminated. Or better, through scientific means, selective males are born and the rest are born female to replace the worker colony until a new female queen take over. All these workers are neutered, they have no sexual desire and have no partners or husbands or raise family. They have one function. Work. Some are given testosterone to become strong female, others are police officers, etc. Ones the male child is born they are to be taken care of the father. The male child doesn't see his mother at all and his role is to procreate and repeat cycle. We can go this route in civilization. It also works!!

    Or we don't devalue men's role and say these are the roles of men and women and men is necessary and not useless and that women should not compete against men role and there are boundaries of the sexes.
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    So, you can see if a man decide to go mgtow or man going his own way...in away I don't blame them. If a man feel he is powerless in all regard and the best thing he could do is just live his own life without getting married and have children and be self centered and focus on his own need, how can you say that is worse than feminist? Odd thing to say. These men just don't want to get married and have children and want to live their lives and enjoy their lives without any of all that drama in their lives. I don't blame them. Personally, I would do the same to be honest. If I know I have no value, I am demonized, I am marginalized, I am just a sperm donor and human wallet...I too will opt out of the entire deal. I think more boys should do marriage strike in my opinion until unfair laws against men changes.
    That is not Islamic at all. Men need act like men and follow the sunnah.

    Quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead View Post
    Now if we don't care about men's/boy's right at all and prefer only women and girls right I am also going the other extreme route. The route where we decrease the male population to a very few amount (feminist greatest utopia and fantasy) and turn women into worker bee. Look at the bee colony and see how it functions. In bee colony there is the queen, the female worker and the drone. This can work also in human civilization. We will have one queen, they will fight each other to become queen and one kills the other and who wins the battle become the queen of the nation. In this civilization we will have 98% of the population female. However, they are forbidden from making babies. They go out and work. These female works build society, they build high rises and buildings, teach at school and run business and invent things and do things that was one for men now women take complete over. Then we have the drone. The drone is simple, few male populations where they will be fed and taken care of to mate and only handful male children are born the rest are terminated. Or better, through scientific means, selective males are born and the rest are born female to replace the worker colony until a new female queen take over. All these workers are neutered, they have no sexual desire and have no partners or husbands or raise family. They have one function. Work. Some are given testosterone to become strong female, others are police officers, etc. Ones the male child is born they are to be taken care of the father. The male child doesn't see his mother at all and his role is to procreate and repeat cycle. We can go this route in civilization. It also works!!
    we are not just animals, we are created by Allah swt. Islam doesn't reduce men to "wallets" and women to "spongers". Men and women need to work together to build a Godly society and not build on ego which is what the Mens right/red pill. MGTOW movement is.

    PS - I'm no secular feminist by the way but men still have plenty of rights and bogus to say women dont get tread like Garbage, plenty of cultures promote that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    That is not Islamic at all. Men need act like men and follow the sunnah.



    we are not just animals, we are created by Allah swt. Islam doesn't reduce men to "wallets" and women to "spongers". Men and women need to work together to build a Godly society and not build on ego which is what the Mens right/red pill. MGTOW movement is.

    PS - I'm no secular feminist by the way but men still have plenty of rights and bogus to say women dont get tread like Garbage, plenty of cultures promote that.
    Yes, but when you hear this...



    It is very hard to want to get married.
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    The me too movement is women talking about their experience with sexual harrassment etc... Do you have an issue with that? Should we all just stay quiet then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    The me too movement is women talking about their experience with sexual harrassment etc... Do you have an issue with that? Should we all just stay quiet then?
    There is also others using that card to make false claims to their financial advantage. I have issues with that. If I am in a management position and have to meet with a female employee, I would have someone else there in that meeting or do it publicly in an open area of the office. Too many women claiming sexual harassment.
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    Re: The Inevitable Collapse of Feminist Societies

    All this feminism stuff has created a thing where many women are for themselves.

    Look at the movement for black people and the Chicano movement in the United States.

    They used feminism to destroy these movements and to destroy these communities. I grew up in the rubble.

    And who pays the price? Minority children.

    Forget what feminism says it is. It is a fact that is was sponsored and promoted by the CIA.

    It is artificial garbage and creates division between men and women.

    As a man, I don't wake up thinking "how can I promote what is only in the interest of my gender".... my role is to try to build a better society for everyone. I'm not thinking of only my gender.

    This garbage gender-nationalism that feminism promotes- it has destroyed families and kids are the ones to suffer. You go to the slums..... it is horrible. But some will promote what caused the destruction of minority communities and the destruction of those movements.... they will destroy it because they think it will give them a little power. Feminism is cancer.

    We should be thinking about the best interest of families and children- not our own narrow self-interest. We should be focused on families and children- on building the future. Feminism has destroyed my community. Come to the ghetto and look for yourself what it's done to us. It is the children who suffer. I won't even talk about the things that go on. I've seen horrible things. And if you want to promote what has destroyed the people, what is destroying the lives and futures of children, what has destroyed minority communites and crushed their dreams, what has destroyed families..... if that's what you want to promote, I am totally against that. I am not willing to throw innocent children and vulnerable commuities under the bus. The feminists are more than willing to do so because they think they'll get power. It is disgusting.
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    All this feminism stuff has created a thing where many women are for themselves.

    Look at the movement for black people and the Chicano movement in the United States.

    They used feminism to destroy these movements and to destroy these communities. I grew up in the rubble.

    And who pays the price? Minority children.

    Forget what feminism says it is. It is a fact that is was sponsored and promoted by the CIA.

    It is artificial garbage and creates division between men and women.

    As a man, I don't wake up thinking "how can I promote what is only in the interest of my gender".... my role is to try to build a better society for everyone. I'm not thinking of only my gender.

    This garbage gender-nationalism that feminism promotes- it has destroyed families and kids are the ones to suffer. You go to the slums..... it is horrible. But some will promote what caused the destruction of minority communities and the destruction of those movements.... they will destroy it because they think it will give them a little power. Feminism is cancer.

    We should be thinking about the best interest of families and children- not our own narrow self-interest. We should be focused on families and children- on building the future. Feminism has destroyed my community. Come to the ghetto and look for yourself what it's done to us. It is the children who suffer. I won't even talk about the things that go on. I've seen horrible things. And if you want to promote what has destroyed the people, what is destroying the lives and futures of children, what has destroyed minority communites and crushed their dreams, what has destroyed families..... if that's what you want to promote, I am totally against that. I am not willing to throw innocent children and vulnerable commuities under the bus. The feminists are more than willing to do so because they think they'll get power. It is disgusting.
    Well....I am sorry. But all these man hating have went into my tole. Mentally I am permanently looking at marriage as something toxic for a man and he have no significant value at all, especially as a father and such I really can't see myself wanting to ever get married. I re-programmed myself to not needing women period and children and I am happy. This happiness I am getting I will never replace it for anything in this world and now I am only focusing on myself and it feels good. My heart beat with range and anger when society are pushing men to sacrifice for women and children, I hate that and I resent it and I get angry. When I see men singing songs for their wife I vomit, believing him to be weak. When I see him making poetry to his dead wife I resent it. I look at myself, here is my gender whose heart is broken for his dead wife where if it was reverse the wife will move on and not care for her dead husband as much as he does for her. Then I remember how Adam have his rib missing so he needs his wife more than she needs him when she doesn't have any rib missing and I feel down, I feel weak and I feel resentful in a way. I like talking this feelings out..perhaps it is way to remove these toxic thoughts from my head who knows, but I also like talking about it because I need someone to shed light on me, I don't want to these feelings to be my down fall when I die. I am revealing a little bit of my diseased heart perhaps..I don't know. But for me getting married is impossible now. It is irreversable and the more I hear women talk, the more I see how children treat their dads and how that is common and the more I see how media portray men, the more I go down to my knees, raise my hand high and weep and say, "THANK YOU ALLAH! THANK YOU THAT I AM SINGLE! Thank you Allah, that I do not have a wife! Thank you Allah, that I am not married. Thank you Allah that I do have not children! Thank you!!" and I mean it in my inner heart.

    The more I go older the more I am happier single, the more I am happier with the quiet around me, the more I am happy with the toys I have!! The more I am content. I have always wanted to make dua to Allah to give me strength not to need women in my life and in my heart....and it feels gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood not to need anyone!!! I find men needing women to be weak, weak, weak, weak, weak!

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    Well....I am sorry. But all these man hating have went into my tole. Mentally I am permanently looking at marriage as something toxic for a man and he have no significant value at all, especially as a father and such I really can't see myself wanting to ever get married. I re-programmed myself to not needing women period and children and I am happy. This happiness I am getting I will never replace it for anything in this world and now I am only focusing on myself and it feels good. My heart beat with range and anger when society are pushing men to sacrifice for women and children, I hate that and I resent it and I get angry. When I see men singing songs for their wife I vomit, believing him to be weak. When I see him making poetry to his dead wife I resent it. I look at myself, here is my gender whose heart is broken for his dead wife where if it was reverse the wife will move on and not care for her dead husband as much as he does for her. Then I remember how Adam have his rib missing so he needs his wife more than she needs him when she doesn't have any rib missing and I feel down, I feel weak and I feel resentful in a way. I like talking this feelings out..perhaps it is way to remove these toxic thoughts from my head who knows, but I also like talking about it because I need someone to shed light on me, I don't want to these feelings to be my down fall when I die. I am revealing a little bit of my diseased heart perhaps..I don't know. But for me getting married is impossible now. It is irreversable and the more I hear women talk, the more I see how children treat their dads and how that is common and the more I see how media portray men, the more I go down to my knees, raise my hand high and weep and say, "THANK YOU ALLAH! THANK YOU THAT I AM SINGLE! Thank you Allah, that I do not have a wife! Thank you Allah, that I am not married. Thank you Allah that I do have not children! Thank you!!" and I mean it in my inner heart.

    The more I go older the more I am happier single, the more I am happier with the quiet around me, the more I am happy with the toys I have!! The more I am content. I have always wanted to make dua to Allah to give me strength not to need women in my life and in my heart....and it feels gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood not to need anyone!!! I find men needing women to be weak, weak, weak, weak, weak!
    This is completely nonsensical.Your assumptions about women need to stop. How the hell do you know if a woman cares for her husband or not? You're talking a load of nonsense. Do you think the prophet pbuh was weak for getting married?
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