There was a thread recently called "Islam spread by the sword".
There was a group, with a particular poster who was claiming that muslims had the right to kill those who would not convert, I provided via Islamic evidence as to why that is not true but rather than have a deeper discussion on the issue the thread was closed with those who are ignorant of the truth having the last word.
This not only send out the wrong message to non-Muslims but also misguides Muslims who are too prone to believe everything they read on the internet (especially young ones) and/or unable to do research of their own on the subject.
I believe this isn't right unless the thread itself is deleted so that future generations do not fall into the trap laid down by those who are trying to misguide others, whether purposefully or through their own ignorance on the matter.
Simply locking threads such as these does not help or educate anyone.
Using one's authority to clarify what is right is not bullying. It's a responsibility. After all, the purpose of the forum is da'wah, not for every whim or conjecture to be entertained.
So, can I have the power? As I said, I'm right and you are wrong, and I'm not going to let you argue otherwise and spread error. It is, as you say, responsibility.
As I said, I'm right and you are wrong, and I'm not going to let you argue otherwise and spread error. It is, as you say, responsibility.
As mentioned before, if you have an issue in regards to why a topic is closed then send a PM or a report. In Islam, there are often clear-cut answers that people like to debate. There is no room for debate and opinion for these types of things, and as a result the "final say" is what is needed because at the end of the day the purpose of the forum is dawah. We're not doing it for the purpose of ego as you'd like to imply. Often times, we're not even a part of the dialogue. If your issue is relating to something totally different, then by all means take it up with the person that closed the thread at the time the thread is closed. Don't try to state your displeasure so generically. It's not constructive for anyone.
I'm gonna vouch for the Moderators here, I see them allowing threads all the times that would go up to 10 pages and it's usually the same thing discussed a few years ago but bruh no one wants to use the search button. What makes it more frustrating is if you've been here for 5years then you SHOULD know what Muslims are like and what they are suppose to believe in and not make a critic on their beliefs something you did 5 years ago, it's back to SQUARE ONE. Like all these 5 years meant nothing, I mean come on! It's the same argument, same people same thing! If I was a mod I'd go crazy myself.
People should really use this thread more often, there's like FOUR threads here:
As mentioned before, if you have an issue in regards to why a topic is closed then send a PM or a report. In Islam, there are often clear-cut answers that people like to debate. There is no room for debate and opinion for these types of things, and as a result the "final say" is what is needed because at the end of the day the purpose of the forum is dawah. We're not doing it for the purpose of ego as you'd like to imply. Often times, we're not even a part of the dialogue. If your issue is relating to something totally different, then by all means take it up with the person that closed the thread at the time the thread is closed. Don't try to state your displeasure so generically. It's not constructive for anyone.
How naive of me, I thought the purpose of the forum was the discussion of all kinds of topics of relevance for Muslims. I didn't know I was just supposed to be on the receiving end of dawah and nothing more.
If I'm expressing things so generically, it's because it's a persistent phenomenon, not just this or that premature thread closure.
It is my experience though that what's considered a "clear-cut answer" depends on the mood of the mod for the moment. Now, if there was a complete list of established official truths beyond the scope of debate and discussion, that'd be one thing. But there isn't.
I'm gonna vouch for the Moderators here, I see them allowing threads all the times that would go up to 10 pages and it's usually the same thing discussed a few years ago but bruh no one wants to use the search button. What makes it more frustrating is if you've been here for 5years then you SHOULD know what Muslims are like and what they are suppose to believe in and not make a critic on their beliefs something you did 5 years ago, it's back to SQUARE ONE. Like all these 5 years meant nothing, I mean come on! It's the same argument, same people same thing! If I was a mod I'd go crazy myself.
People should really use this thread more often, there's like FOUR threads here:
You speak as if there is one, final, conclusive established truth on any given matter, and that a single forum thread is sufficient to establish it with certainty. Besides, 5 years is a long time, long enough that the cast of forum regulars will have changed. New people bring new perspectives that weren't there last time.
I still see some members who are still here and yet they jump on the oppurtunity to raise their somehow new points but are really old points. Questions like, Is God real must've been asked, debated and answered a 100 times per year it's just that they word it out differently. I don't think people use the search button nor the 'Index of Useful Threads' often and I include myself but over there, there are many arguments and debates that continue to be relevant to this day. The moderator's views is really simple, in discussing there must be certain adab to be followed and once these discussion turn into name calling, repetitive argument(this is like always done) then they see no benefit in continuing them just to put a stop on idle talk or pointless debating as this is discouraged in Islam.
You speak as if there is one, final, conclusive established truth on any given matter, and that a single forum thread is sufficient to establish it with certainty.
Well there's a lot of threads in there, not a single forum thread which if people took their actual time and effort would erase some questions on their minds or at least understand the query a little better. I'm saying, look the answer is there go look for it and stop repeating what's being asked in the past, it's been done and dusted like a hundred times already come on! I mean when I look at those past posts they are really done well and the debates are similar and it does take a lot of time to actually read 10-20 pages long threads but they are really a good way to quench once thirst for knowledge or answering your doubts.
You have a point tho bro on that last sentence.
Please Make Dua' For Samiun..
“Whoever records a biography of a believer, it is as though he has brought him or her back to life.” - Imam Al-Sakhawi
A question to you and other members on the board, would you prefer that you do not receive PMs when your posts are deleted? As in, should this auto feature be eliminated? Often times we do mass deletions and our reasoning is generalized such as "off-topic" or "thread cleanup." It's not necessarily to make anyone feel off-put by the PMs, but just to give reasoning so that we don't get a hundred PMs or posts asking why their post got deleted.
No, then we'll be left wondering which mods are haters and out to get us and secretly deleting out posts.
I"m aware of the 'clean up' updates, i was referring to other posts. Where the mgmt is trigger happy to delete my posts but only edits other members posts who were ranting against me or they do selective editing to make on side look better than the other. Also, as other members have expressed, there is a tendency of mgmt to have a last say and close thread quickly. yes, there are valid places where they need to clarify the matter before closing, but that is not always the case. Overall, it is a put off and makes one not bother posting here anymore.
How naive of me, I thought the purpose of the forum was the discussion of all kinds of topics of relevance for Muslims. I didn't know I was just supposed to be on the receiving end of dawah and nothing more.
Nobody is saying there cannot be any discussion. But unfortunately, many times what is taking place is very far from 'discussion'. I am sure in your experience you must have noticed this, and I am sure you can also appreciate there are valid reasons for threads to be closed and for someone to step in and offer clarity in confusion. In and of itself, this is not abuse of moderator power. You may disagree with thread closure or the closing comment in specific cases, but that relates to those specific cases and does not apply universally.
It is also clear from the various comments that we are talking about different scenarios, showing the mixture of factors involved, whether it is repetition of topics, dealing with argumentative posts or differences of opinion. That is why accusing the moderators of acting on the basis of mood or being trigger happy as if we have nothing else to do with our time is simply refusing to appreciate the complexity of the matter and the difficulty in moderating a forum.
We would much rather not spend our time deleting and editing other people's posts, but when they are calling each other morons, accusing each other of hypocrisy or promoting kufr, then we have a duty to act, and this shouldn't really come as a surprise.
Here's a radical idea: If a poster acts badly, punish that poster. Delete that poster's posts, hand out personal sanctions if necessary. Don't carpet-bomb the entire thread and salt the earth, others may still want to discuss.
Oh, and several times I've seen mods close a thread, on their own assessment that it has run its course, even in the absence of any bad behaviour from anyone in there, and when I was still intending to reply, and actually advance the discussion rather than repeat the same.
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