Most of the people (inlucding me) here on this forum frequent the general chit chat, and the world affair but does not go into islamic education section frequently.
another thing; you know, when you are engaged in a disscussion with a disbeliever and you are making a very decent progress in refuting him/her/them, then along comes a Muslim with little or no knowledge and butts in
or when an agent provocateur joins in
Yes that is true. I have had questions that I asked and getting very good answers that were most helpful and then it ends up getting hijacked by someone only wanting to argue.
That is another problem here. Good threads with legit questions go unanswered while the ones that are obviously there to start a fight have 4 pages of replies in 12 hours. It is a bit backwards if you ask me.
"The only thing neccesary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - E. Burke
"We have just enough religion to hate but not enough to love one another" -Jonathan Swift
but the problem is not htat, the problem is with the lack of Islamic topics and the abundance in non-sense topics
I bet, If I try to revive older, very good Islaamic discussions, it will *not be allowed* by atleast 3 of the staff here.
Brother Fi_Sabilillah (with Allah Ta'ala's blessings) is more than adequate at his job, in-fact he is excellent thus I stand by my assertion about people of no knowledge playing at being refuters as well as at least 7 people who are *NOT* Muslim but something else
We usually close threads which will become sectarian bro al fateh ^ and the threads we do close, we usually do it because people start insulting each other personally [which is common for some reason on the forum.]
We usually close threads which will become sectarian bro al fateh ^ and the threads we do close, we usually do it because people start insulting each other personally [which is common for some reason on the forum.]
That's the right policy to delete the posts when people start misbehaving with each other or if some people put vulgar stuff. But I've observed that posts are deleted that go against the belief (misbelief) of the mods.
Faith, to my mind, is a stiffening process, a sort of mental starch.
We usually close threads which will become sectarian bro al fateh ^ and the threads we do close, we usually do it because people start insulting each other personally [which is common for some reason on the forum.]
i disagree bro...
i opened a topic about the "face and hand" mentioned in the Quran relating to Allah, asking more proof and knowledge
the topic got closed, and the answer was YES Allah does have a hand and a face, but different....
It's because beliefs are really important right? And we have to understand the Qur'an and Sunnah according to the understanding of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him.)
Iqbal - yes we are allowed to have new things like technology, medicine and all that so long as it doesn't go past the boundaries of islaam, but things which are controversial (in regard to beliefs) are usually closed as they lead to sectarian issues.
That's why if you have any questions in regard to that - you can PM the mods, otherwise its forum rules that we're not allowed to discuss sectarian for the sake of uniting the muslims without having heated debates throughout the forum.
It's because beliefs are really important right? And we have to understand the Qur'an and Sunnah according to the understanding of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him.)
Iqbal - yes we are allowed to have new things like technology, medicine and all that so long as it doesn't go past the boundaries of islaam, but things which are controversial (in regard to beliefs) are usually closed as they lead to sectarian issues.
That's why if you have any questions in regard to that - you can PM the mods, otherwise its forum rules that we're not allowed to discuss sectarian for the sake of uniting the muslims without having heated debates throughout the forum.
What do you mean by the 'secterian'. The tafseers of Quran presented by different scholars in differnt times differed a lot of times which means that some beliefs were changed by the religious scholars themselves. Why it's not permitted for other Muslims to question or to discuss when they see some changes in the interpretaions? Who do authorise the religious scholars to make changes in the interpretations of Quran and Hadith? How can the Muslims be sure that the changes made in the interpretations of Quran by a reigious scholar or group of scholars are right?
Faith, to my mind, is a stiffening process, a sort of mental starch.
What do you mean by the 'secterian'. The tafseers of Quran presented by different scholars in differnt times differed a lot of times which means that some beliefs were changed by the religious scholars themselves. Why it's not permitted for other Muslims to question or to discuss when they see some changes in the interpretaions? Who do authorise the religious scholars to make changes in the interpretations of Quran and Hadith? How can the Muslims be sure that the changes made in the interpretations of Quran are right?
thats exactly my point....
cz u will find scholars who will say and disagree with others, even though they have used hadith and quranic references.
like the isue with the face of Allah....some scholars differ from others on that aspect.
What do you mean by the 'secterian'. The tafseers of Quran presented by different scholars in differnt times differed a lot of times which means that some beliefs were changed by the religious scholars themselves. Why it's not permitted for other Muslims to question or to discuss when they see some changes in the interpretaions? Who do authorise the religious scholars to make changes in the interpretations of Quran and Hadith? How can the Muslims be sure that the changes made in the interpretations of Quran are right?
If you look at the tafsir of ibn kathir for example, you'll see many times throughout that he quotes someone called Mujaahid. Mujaahid was the student of Abdullah Ibn Abbaas, who was the cousin of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him.) And obviously Ibn Abbaas got his understanding of Qur'an from the Messenger of Allaah himself, and the other companions. So if we look at the tafsir - we'll see that the companions of the Messenger of Allaah believed that Allaah has a Hand as stated in Qur'an, instead of hand simply meaning Authority, and Allaah does have a face because the companions understood it that way.
Brother al-fateh, i agree with you in a way - however there are articles on the forum which are similar to that. They are the views of the ahlus sunnah [people of sunnah] and those aren't deleted, the ones which are closed are those which lead to arguments, however before a mod usually closes it - they link to other threads which are related to a similar subject. If you want, i can try to find you some related to what you're looking for insha'Allaah.
every thread has the eligibilty on reaching a common ground of agreement, those which are closed are closed, but i see people moving forward to close a thread rather than get to an answer
Akhi trust me, its a hard job to go to different parts of the forums and to see the same arguments being started all over again, so by closing them and linking them to a previous thread [which probably had a similar argument anyway] - it makes the job easier and we don't have to go through the whole 20 page thread to delete all the insults in the new thread again.
If you look at the tafsir of ibn kathir for example, you'll see many times throughout that he quotes someone called Mujaahid. Mujaahid was the student of Abdullah Ibn Abbaas, who was the cousin of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him.) And obviously Ibn Abbaas got his understanding of Qur'an from the Messenger of Allaah himself, and the other companions. So if we look at the tafsir - we'll see that the companions of the Messenger of Allaah believed that Allaah has a Hand as stated in Qur'an, instead of hand simply meaning Authority, and Allaah does have a face because the companions understood it that way.
Did the messenger of Allah authorise anybody to do the tafsir of Quran or people do it on their own?
What about the companions of the messenger of Allah? Did all of them understand Quran in the same way? If so then why they had differences which resulted in some wars too? What was the reason, they couldn't resolve their differences in the light of Quran and Hadith? Did the religious scholars decreased the differences with Quran and Hadith or did they increase it? Can we get help from Quran to resolve those differences now?
Faith, to my mind, is a stiffening process, a sort of mental starch.
There were different companions in different situations in the lifetime of the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him), if you look at the seerah and also the Qur'an - some verses are talking about the wives of the Messenger of Allaah, while others are talking about the hypocrites for example.
Now all the companions weren't always with the Messenger of Allaah at the same time, as some would have to work, while others would follow the Messenger of Allaah on an empty stomach etc.
If the companions were with the Messenger of Allaah on different situations, the moment he recieved revelation - the ones who were with him understood that the verse was revealed within that specific situation. If they weren't there, they may not have heard of it and the ones who were there may have explained to them why a certain verse was revealed.
We also know that there were other companions who only became muslim later on [i.e. after the conquest of Makkah] and therefore they never had the best understanding of Qur'an, compared to the earlier companions. This may have been one of the reasons why they never had the full context of the verse.
So you see how if you look in the tafsir, especially ibn kathir - you'll see that he mentions many ahadith within the lifetime of the Messenger of Allaah and why they were revealed, i.e. for what situation. And you see that a companion narrates them.
You'll also see that there are certain situations within the lifetime of the Messenger of Allaah when he will ask the companions a question, they will say "Allaahu wa Rasooluhu a'lam" (Allaah and His Messenger know best.) And then he will tell them the answer, which usually explains certain things from the Qur'an. So the Messenger of Allaah taught the interpretation of the Qur'an to his companions also.
i assume you mean the "basics of islam" and its sub-forums.
i go there much more than "world affairs" which is a lot of people jumping up and down and screaming at each other.
i've learned a lot there as well as from links that i've found there.
so the sections are appreciated by those who do visit there even if more people like "world affairs". i think some people really enjoy getting angry.
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