This story along with a few others have just horrified me-- words are worthless to describe the emotion since my mind can't even wrap around it... let alone when the mother is the culprit.. sob7an Allah.. so many people rich and poor, young and old struggle to have a healthy beautiful child, would give anything in the world to have a baby like that and this woman abuses her and kills her.. why why whyyyyyyyy? deranged ***** I want to wring her neck.. I hope they give her the death penalty!
ORLANDO, Fla. (Dec. 11) -- A Florida mother charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter sobbed in court Friday as a prosecutor speculated aloud that the toddler was methodically drugged and suffocated with tape.
Casey Anthony cried as prosecutor Jeff Ashton suggested that Caylee Anthony's killer restrained her arms, dosed her with something that knocked her unconscious and put duct tape over her mouth and nose.
Ashton offered the scenario when explaining why he believes the case would qualify for the death penalty.
"Her killer would prepare some substance in advance that would render her physically unable to resist," said Ashton during the pretrial hearing. "If the killer looked at her face, maybe the killer saw her eyes. ... First one piece (of tape), then two, then three so that no breath was possible."
The cause of Caylee's death remains unknown, but duct tape was found on the body. Little Girl Lost
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Casey Anthony sobbed in court Friday as a prosecutor suggested that her daughter's killer restrained and drugged her. Anthony's attorneys are asking a judge to stop prosecutors from seeking the death penalty in her murder trial.
Ashton offered the scenario in response to a defense request to bar prosecutors from seeking the death penalty.
Circuit Judge Stan Strickland said he would rule later.
Because the cause of death is still unknown, prosecutors are unable to prove that she suffered a heinous, cruel or atrocious death, which is the standard under Florida law for seeking the death penalty, said Andrea Lyon, one of Anthony's attorneys.
"The real reason the state has asked for the death penalty is because they wish to get as biased a jury as they possibly can," Lyon said. "It has the effect of coercing pleas in cases where that may in fact not be appropriate."
Anthony's attorneys contend that jurors in death-penalty cases, who are screened to eliminate those with moral objections to capital punishment, are more likely to convict defendants. The defense also says the threat of the death penalty could be used to coerce Anthony into making a plea agreement.
Anthony has pleaded not guilty and her trial is expected to start next year.
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Furthermore!, there is one VERY important thing I need to point out here...
In the quran it states that "blood money" can be paid as restitution to the family for a killing of their kin. If the blood money is accepted by the family, it then becomes automatically forbidden for that familiy who has accepted the blood money to kill the murderer. However if they DON'T accept the blood money they then have the right to kill the murderer themselves. Therefore, shift this to a situation involving a father killing his very own son, for instance. Seeing the father is already his direct family, there is simply no need for blood money! It would be simply ludicrous for a father to try and pay HIMSELF blood money. LOL
and not snooping into someone else's private affairs. Keeping off one's high horse, and understanding the blatantly obvious difference between private and public affairs, and that they are NOT to be treated the same way.
These are public records.. snooping into someone's private affairs would denote spying on them, and such is obviously not the case!
You might not have set out to kill her yourself, but you are still HOPING for kafir interference into her private affairs. That makes you look like their ally to me.
Indeed I hope the highest degree of justice will be served. You don't get to dictate how people should feel to the loss of innocent life!
You have tried to twist things about. Yes it has been forced into a public matter, from something that at its roots is rightfully a DOMESTIC matter. One could expose things about your private life that are not inherently a public matter (like what kind of perfume you use), but just because it can be TURNED in to a public matter doesn't mean to say that it IS a public matter in its essence.
You are confabulating, go wipe your drool!
That is different. That is when one commits murder or theft etc against an outsider. It has nothing to do with and shouldn't be imposed on private property of which offspring are part and parcel of that (they are parental chattels, so "murder" charges are simply invalid and can never rightfully apply here). Fair enough too that some kind of basic law would be needed against killing outsiders, otherwise we could be all out there on the streets slaughtering each other left, right and centre, and this could become completely out of control. So yes, it only seems understandable that there does need to be some kind of "law" if public peace is to be kept. BUT when this law is enforced BEYOND that extent and overrides independant parental prerogative it then becomes a patent violation of private property rights.
More worthless drivel to both secular and Islamic law!
Err, look at China, still very communist and they have about the highest number of executions in the world. And lets not mention Stalin and co. Lefties are about the worst when it comes to busybodying, interferences and violations against private property rights, capital punishment and genocide. They hold the worst track record for these types of things.
This isn't about China, this is about Caylee's death, her mother drugged and suffocated her with tape and failed to report her missing for five weeks, I am starting to think that someone should commit you, you are just not normal!
Ok then if you prefer it to be put that way: She killed one as she saw fit. A baby of her creation, she hasn't even a husband, therefore her choice by default to do what she wants. Remember the only loss is hers. Her line will be extinguished.
it isn't a baby of her creation. reproduction doesn't equal creation!
It doesn't have to be only in the privacy of their own castles to be legitimate. Seeing their offspring are their chattels it is irrelevant whether what happens is on public domain or private property.
chattels seems like a jewish term.. in Islam Allah swt has bestowed dignity of human life, as such even a fetus in the womb of four months is prayed upon and has a funeral and treated like a full fledged human being!
Correct, I am too humble to play Allah. I am not Allah. If he really needs "justice" he'll do it by striking her down with lightning or making her drown in the sea. I'm sure he'd prefer just to do it that way rather then choosing a bunch of busybody socialists to have to do it for him.
Allah swt has given us the law to carry out justice, try purchasing a rudimentary book on jurisprudence and read it before you write!
Depends how you define "justice". Two "wrongs" don't make a right. if someone kills his offspring, and you cross into his private property and bust down his door wanting "justice" (for something you have no actual right of demanding in the first place, by the way), this is trespassing on PRIVATE PROPERTY. As I said before, two wrongs don't make a right. I define "justice" as something only in the realm of interpublic relations, but not relevant and applicable when it comes to matters to do with one's own flesh and blood offspring. People have the right to regard their own offspring by whatever way they wish, but as far as I'M concerned, my offspring are my chattels, and therefore not rightfully bound within ordinary public law.
See previous reply (you are starting to become redundant) righting a wrong is very much in concert with Islamic beliefs especially in pre-meditated murder.. no one here is interested in your personal opinion!
No. I think I have now explained everything in my above statements. As I said, when it comes to offspring, that changes everything completely. That might not be the position you hold, but it is nonetheless MY position on it, and will forever remain that way.
And as I stated, your opinion or position means nothing in the scheme of things. The courts will still go on to charge her with the highest crime possible and I'll pray that she received the highest penalty possible!
No, I have nothing to hide. But I have a hardwired thing in me called PRIDE and I will never allow anyone to poke their nose into any of my private affairs (which includes how I raise my own flesh and blood). I would never DREAM of killing them because I love them very much, but I am nonetheless stating to you my uncompromising principle here, which I think you understand, even if I know you will no doubt loathe me for it.
pride is a deadly sin, you should read up on basic Islamic principles before converting .. that is if you are indeed a Muslim!
Wrong. I DO live in an insular world, I have MADE my own insular world because I decided long ago to isolate myself and my family away from the high horse self-righteous authority of the masses. In the isolated world we have made for ourselves we live only with Allah, and only he alone will judge us. Nothing else, no one else, only Allah. My offspring regard me and me alone as their complete and only authority under Allah.
Ok then you get yourself a unabomber hut and live by your own manifesto away from the rest of us, preferably give up your keyboard as well!
Oh I SEE the "big picture", but just refuse to be a part of it and play by its rules. I will NEVER allow it authority of me. I submit to Allah alone and nothing else.
I am glad, then stop bugging the crap out of the rest of us with your demented ideology!
All the best to you too, Gos..
Insha'Allah
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Furthermore!, there is one VERY important thing I need to point out here...
In the quran it states that "blood money" can be paid as restitution to the family for a killing of their kin. If the blood money is accepted by the family, it then becomes automatically forbidden for that familiy who has accepted the blood money to kill the murderer. However if they DON'T accept the blood money they then have the right to kill the murderer themselves. Therefore, shift this to a situation involving a father killing his very own son, for instance. Seeing the father is already his direct family, there is simply no need for blood money! It would be simply ludicrous for a father to try and pay HIMSELF blood money. LOL
you should familiarize yourself the differences between pre-meditated murder and involuntary man-slaughter before LOLing like a --------
Go take your own advise and live in an insular world away from my thread. I'll not have it closed because of you!
all the best
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I found that hadith on jihadwatch alleging that it is how Muslims justify honor killings!
Salam,
I have stopped reading sites such as jihadwatch and other anti-Islam sites long ago, I can't tolerate it anymore and always avoid them. I prefer Infidel Kafir Watch: http://infidelkafirwatch.wordpress.com/
I have stopped reading such as jihadwatch and other anti-Islam sites long ago, I can't tolerate it anmore and always avoid them. I prefer Infidel and Kafir Watch: http://infidelkafirwatch.wordpress.com/
sob7an Allah.. I don't understand the mentality of the people who in their own way support these sites by advocating female infanticide or even male infanticide since these children are properties to their parents, or Basta*d children who need to be dead anyway. When Islam clearly stands on the matter that one should seek to change injustice even through hating it in ones heart as the weakest form of iman, and that no child shall bear the sin of their parents. I truly have my doubts that one of the folks in here is in fact Spencer under false pretenses.. it wouldn't be the first time we had a Muslim impersonator on board!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Ok then if you prefer it to be put that way: She killed one as she saw fit. A baby of her creation, she hasn't even a husband, therefore her choice by default to do what she wants. Remember the only loss is hers. Her line will be extinguished.
I know this debate is between you two but this statement actually struck a nerve with me.
That baby is the creation of Allah. SubhanAllah. Only Allah gives life and she was a gift enTRUSTed to her parents. It is not for me to judge this woman as a person. That is only for Allah as only Allah knows truly what is in our hearts. Her actions were horrible though. People judge other people's actions all the time. It is almost necessary to do so. I'm getting off topic though. I just find the fact that you said she killed this baby as she saw fit.... just wow. Who is she to decide if that innocent baby lives or dies? Just because the father figure is not around.... well that's just silly. That would give all single parents the right to end their childrens lives? I don't even understand the logic in that. The loss is not only hers. The baby's grandparents seemed very upset also.
I mean no disrespect.. but we have to respect life.
Salaamu Alaikum.
"And hold fast unto Allah, He is your protector, the best to protect and the best to help"
I know this debate is between you two but this statement actually struck a nerve with me.
That baby is the creation of Allah. SubhanAllah. Only Allah gives life and she was a gift enTRUSTed to her parents. It is not for me to judge this woman as a person. That is only for Allah as only Allah knows truly what is in our hearts.
Correct, therefore it is only Allah's business. Only Allah has the right to judge her. Getting involved in someone else's PRIVATE business is nothing but COMMIE behaviour, as far as I'm concerned. Leave what people do in their own private affairs up to Allah alone. He will deal with it. It is not up to you to initiate force or make judgment. Your job is not to become involved in other's PRIVATE affairs, but instead you should do your best in trying to become the best mother you possibly can. That is what Allah will reward you for.
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Her actions were horrible though. People judge other people's actions all the time. It is almost necessary to do so.
Wrong. It is NOT necessary to judge another's actions WHEN those actions are inherently of their own business to begin with! If I ever saw my neighbour kill his offspring, I would not get selfrighteously involved because it is NOT my business. They are HIS offspring, NOT mine. I would say to myself "Well Allah will probably judge him one day".
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I'm getting off topic though. I just find the fact that you said she killed this baby as she saw fit.... just wow. Who is she to decide if that innocent baby lives or dies?
Simple, she IS the PARENT, plain and simple.
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Just because the father figure is not around.... well that's just silly.
No it's not. she is the only other parent left, therefore everything is in her hands.
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That would give all single parents the right to end their childrens lives? I don't even understand the logic in that.
It makes perfect logic to me. She is of her own flesh and blood. She is the only one on this earth who has the right to do with her offspring as she sees fit. The rest is up to Allah and if he will judge her. It is not up to "societies" to stick their filthy snotty noses into her private affairs.
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The loss is not only hers. The baby's grandparents seemed very upset also.
The parents are the direct life givers, not the grandparents.
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I mean no disrespect.. but we have to respect life.
Salaamu Alaikum.
Fair enough, we need to respect life, but getting involved in someone else's PRIVATE business is nothing but COMMIE behaviour, as far as I'm concerned. I am sure that any parents who do not respect life will be judged by Allah.
look at her, she looks like a doll, there are several such stories all over the world. they are not humans anymore they are actually shaytaan in human form
Very... very... true!
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I think the society we live in corrupt the natural disposition of women so they lose thier femanine side, shyness, sense of responsibilty to the ummah, honour, dignity and motherhood.
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I think the society we live in corrupt the natural disposition of women so they lose thier femanine side, shyness, sense of responsibilty to the ummah, honour, dignity and motherhood.
That is not the man's fault. That is 100% the woman's fault. Her heart is attached to the dunaya and she wants to proof she can be superior to her man and do everything a man do and better. When you start mimicking something you start becoming that something you mimic (even if done better) and physically and mentally you starting changing to that something. By competing against men you will lose your femininity, you will lose your sense of responsibility, your honor and dignity and you will destroy society with it. Prophet (peace be upon him) could have easily glorified masculine women and cursed feminine men..but he didn't he cursed both masculine women and feminine men. Prophet peace be upon him is putting boundaries so the gender role do not get meshed and destroyed and women don't lose her shame and honor and men don't end up screwed up either.
@Directed to the previous posters and not to abu_musab461
As for the mother who killed her daughter, I wonder if people would have posted that same thing had that child being a boy? Many would be happy to see less kafir men around. Let me tell you something. I would be happy to see less kafir women around too. How do you know that child wouldn't end up being kafir like her mother and die a kafir? They are non-Muslim. Maybe you need to focus on the Muslim children who are suffering? What about all these Muslim boys who are in the street who need help? Who need educational support. Means to change their educational style and help them back from the street to avoid being raped, killed or end up criminals themselves. Maybe you should put the tears to the proper place. Cry for the Muslim children boys and girls alike. I don't know. But what would I know?
By the way? This is why boys who are failing at school should be taking seriously. Like seriously. Because when you have single mothers....only women in power in raising their children and one they are the head of the house hold that story not only will become the norm, but will increase.
Here is a story of single mothers who only have daughters. Watch and observe.
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You know...I agree with that 100% !!! Prophet peace be upon him cried so much that his chest sounded like a boiling pot!! Hehe! We have hard stone heart...sadly! If i am going to cry is how we men have now heartless heart! By the way...in my previous post...I still said the truth and hold value. You posting here only shows that you make mockery of what make us human and what prophet peace be upon him did a lot. I have a question to ask you...when was the last time you cried?
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That actually made me cry I wish more brothers unite with each other instead of against each other and work to helping each other succeed in this world and afterlife. BELIEVE YOU ME this is actually part of Islam to help your brother for the sake of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa). I want brothers when walking in the street in addition to saying salaam..run to his arm and give him a brother hug instead of hand shaken. Maan that one act makes an enormous different and THAT PISSES OF THE SHAYATAAAN ahahahaha!!
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