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    Istanbul has become kafir

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    Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyHvksPYM1s

    An emotional video about how Istanbul has become "kafir", meaning that western cultural influence is slowly destroying Islam. I think it's a former Turkish politician who is talking about bars and nightclubs and other western filth which is affecting the new generation. I found it very sad to watch this because it's true and also applies to other Muslim nations

    He says, if our forefathers saw Istanbul they would declare it a kafir city. The new generation have destroyed everything, our women walk around half naked, there is nothing left. I'm complaining about this o Allah. O Muslim turn back to the Qur'an and Islam etc.
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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Actually, Istanbul is a beautiful city.

    But very sad, it had became a place like that. May Allah saves Turkiye.

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    We are not talking about beauty brother, we are talking about western culture penetrating Muslim societies and slowly destroying Islam from within.

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Turkey will be won back with Allah Akbar insh'Allah......

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    btw akhi, can you translate his speech? seemed vehement..

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Istanbul has become non-Muslim?

    I don't think that makes sense....I think Istanbul has become secular.
    Istanbul has become kafir

    I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir


    I visited Istanbul last year, alhamdulillah and found it to be a beautiful city. What I observed there was that the people over there were living on extreme ends. The people which I saw, either they were totally Islamic - long beards, hijab, covered heads alhamdulillah but on the other hand, there were also people half-naked walking on the streets, smoking, drinking, doping. I also heard that there are strip-clubs in Istanbul and they are world famous. I stayed away from all that.

    Alhamdulillah, I had the opportunity of visiting the Blue Mosque and Hagia Sophia. I really liked the city but I found the Muslims over there in such conditions. Lets hope and pray that Islam wins over its very own Constantinople again.
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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow View Post
    Istanbul has become non-Muslim?

    I don't think that makes sense....I think Istanbul has become secular.
    and there is a difference between the two?
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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Turkey will be won back with Allah Akbar insh'Allah......

    Will Lebanon be won back as well, and Tunisia and Morocco...


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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post
    Will Lebanon be won back as well, and Tunisia and Morocco...

    I have no choice but to believe so akhi..
    change comes from the individual.. individuals makeup nations..

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    btw akhi, can you translate his speech? seemed vehement..



    Of course, I will try..

    He says:

    "destroying everything is very easy. Like wild animals they are destroying everything we had built. The new generation have succeeded in destroying Istanbul. Our forefathers built wonderful masjids and historic buildings, but they are building bars and nightclubs.

    They have replaced them with bars and brothels and casinos. They have turned Istanbul into a hell. If our brave forefathers woke up, they would declare this city kafir. They would not recognize this city. Those who destroy my religion, those who destroy my culture and civilization, I complain to you about them o Rab, I complain to you o rasul Allah.

    They sell our women, they undress them and treat them like objects. They are our mothers, our sisters. Istanbul has now become a city of lust. Istanbul was a city of masjids. O Muslim, wake up. Wake up Muslim! Embrace your religion Muslim. Forget politics and wordly life, first embrace Islam, o Muslim! If you claim that you believe in Allah and the Hereafter, embrace Islam. Embrace the Qur'an.

    They have prevented us from getting closer to Allah (he means secularists). They have simply destroyed everything..."

    I think this a fairly good translation, although far from perfect. My English is not as good as I think! Thank you for reminding

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by islamiclife View Post
    and there is a difference between the two?
    But despite living in a secular system, people can still be very pious. There are of course millions of deeply religious people in Istanbul, no doubt.

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Ali_008 View Post

    I visited Istanbul last year, alhamdulillah and found it to be a beautiful city. What I observed there was that the people over there were living on extreme ends. The people which I saw, either they were totally Islamic - long beards, hijab, covered heads alhamdulillah but on the other hand, there were also people half-naked walking on the streets, smoking, drinking, doping. I also heard that there are strip-clubs in Istanbul and they are world famous. I stayed away from all that.
    Strip clubs? I wouldn't be surprised because we also have a "gay pride parade" in Istanbul!


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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    you can tell this with alot of turks in my school - i couldnt differentiate a turkish girl from a white girl because of the way they dress, but strangely some of them still come to pray sometimes and consider themselves righteous people...

    and Allah knows best

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Now you know how we felt when you stole it from us Christians!

    (And desecrated the beautiful, sacred Hagia Sophia by turning it into a mosque.)

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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post


    Of course, I will try..


    thank you :smile:
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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Supreme View Post
    Now you know how we felt when you stole it from us Christians!

    (And desecrated the beautiful, sacred Hagia Sophia by turning it into a mosque.)
    Christians have no right to complain, you stole North America, South America and Australia and brutally massacred the inhabitants. You have treated people much worse! And your imperialism still continues. You build systems to keep nations dependent on you. I can go on and on!
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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Supreme View Post
    Now you know how we felt when you stole it from us Christians!

    (And desecrated the beautiful, sacred Hagia Sophia by turning it into a mosque.)
    the same way you desecrated mosques in spain with pagan symbols?



    Turkey wasn't stolen, they became Muslim-- it is easy to reject a self-immolating three headed god as the creator of the universe!

    all the best
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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Do you speak Turki? is your name Argamemnon? Are you a brother in Islam? did I ask you for your sophomoric commentary?


    go try elsewhere --your 'witticism' might be better received!

    all the best!


    I speak Turkish, although not as good as Dutch.

    Argamemnon was a Greek King or so. Actually Agamemnon but I added an "r".
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    Re: Istanbul has become kafir

    woops sorry it isn't your post I meant to quote, but supreme.. my humble apologies..
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