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    Exclamation Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims! (OP)


    سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
    In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    The Salafi do not support the ununited, fragmented, Non Khalafa effort of military engagement without central control. Why are people using the name and sources to establish credibility regarding acts the Salafi don't support.

    Any effort that goes against the Quran and Sunnah and the early three generations are strongly disavowed. No one can make excuses for non Islamic actions. The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) endured years of physical and emotional abuse without retaliation until an Islamic state was established.

    The Direction of Allah and the Prophet on killing innocents and other Muslims.



    Surah Furqan 25:68

    Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.
    (Y. Ali translation)

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 687:

    Narrated Jarir:

    The Prophet ordered me during Hajjatul-Wada'. "Ask the people to listen." He then said, "Do not become infidels after me by cutting the necks (throats) of one another. "

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 70:

    Narrated 'Abdullah:

    Allah's Apostle said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (i.e., an evil-doing), and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)."


    Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 257:

    Narrated 'Abdullah:

    During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 258:

    Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

    During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.


    If a Muslim doesn't agree with a position that goes against the above direction of Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad they are accused of supporting Kufr and are ridiculed and disrespected?

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 70:

    Narrated 'Abdullah:

    Allah's Apostle said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (i.e., an evil-doing), and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)."
    (REREAD!)

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 56:

    Narrated Masruq:

    Abdullah bin 'Amr mentioned Allah's Apostle saying that he was neither a Fahish nor a Mutafahish. Abdullah bin 'Amr added, Allah's Apostle said, 'The best among you are those who have the best manners and character.'

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 44:


    Narrates Ibn Umar:

    Allah' Apostle said, Gabriel kept on recommending me about treating the neighbors in a kind and polite manner, so much so that I thought that he would order (me) to make them (my) heirs."

    One of the main objectives of the Salafi is to abstain and fight against heretical beliefs and practices that are brought into Islam. To make Allahs word superior.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 65:


    Narrated Abu Musa:

    A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."

    Muslims who observe Salafi don't support or make excuses for freelancing Jihad.

    It is a form of shirk to venerate men. Educated Muslims know that scholars are only a voice to direct to the worship of Allah and the following of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

    Any Muslims using scholars Fawtas to demote, degrade, discredit another scholar has lost sight of why Muslims study Islam. (To practice!)
    That is a form of scholar bashing! Discontinue it.

    Surah Nisa 4:65

    But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.
    (Y. Ali translation)

    It appears there is no current Mujahidīn who endured a military campaign Fisabilillah (Chechnya, Afganistan 1980, Bosnia). I suggest you discontinue venting your anger at Muslims online. Reserve it for the Kufr.

    The warning of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) about the speech of men

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 76:

    Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

    Two men came from the east and delivered speeches, and the Prophet said, "Some eloquent speech has the in fluency of magic (e.g., some people refuse to do something and then a good eloquent speaker addresses them and then they agree to do that very thing after his speech). "

    The warning of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) regarding religious knowledge taken away

    Religious knowledge being taken away

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 158:

    Narrated Anas:

    I will narrate to you a Habith I heard from Allah's Apostle and none other than I will tell you of it. I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "From among the portents of the Hour are the following: Religious knowledge will be taken away; General ignorance (in religious matters) will increase; illegal Sexual intercourse will prevail: Drinking of alcoholic drinks will prevail. Men will decrease in number, and women will increase in number, so much so that fifty women will be looked after by one man."


    Muslims need to be United!

    Surah Hujurat 49:10

    The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy. (Y. Ali translation)


    The truth is not always popular but necessary!
    Last edited by sabr*; 02-05-2010 at 08:32 PM. Reason: Bolding Font
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
    wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.

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    Re: Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

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    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):
    Wa Alaykum Salam

    May Allah reward you for your time to your brotehrs and sisters.

    If you search the forum you will locate endless links aiding you increasing your knowledge regarding Islam. It appears intially to be a maze but with the guidance of Allah you will increase your knowledge. Insha Allah.
    I have enough links for sure. May Alalh, azz wa jall, increase us all in knowledge we will act upon. Ameen


    The denials of fundamental religious principles can make a person a takfir; thus a murderer, for instance, may still be a Muslim, but someone who denies that murder is a sin must be a kafir, as long as he is aware that murder is a sin in Islam. Another example: denying the five fundamental pillars of Islam or the articles of faith.
    This shakes things up. What about denying alcohol is forbidden? Or is it not as simple? I don't think they deny it as such. For example, Ashari will tell you "Allah is above the heavens" and we believe the same, but "how" do we believe it differs... I don't think any sect denies the five pillars or the six articles of faith, it is the "how" they believe in them.

    Oh well.. What I said previously was right?

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    Post Re: Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sister Unknown View Post
    Wa Alaykum Salam

    This shakes things up. What about denying alcohol is forbidden? JazzakALalhu Khayr
    Surah Baqarah 2:219

    They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus Allâh makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought."
    (Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

    Surah Ma'idah 5:90-91

    O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), gambling, Al*Ansâb, and Al*Azlâm (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaitân's (Satan) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful.

    Shaitân (Satan) wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allâh and from As-Salât (the prayer). So, will you not then abstain.
    (Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    Sister Unknown:

    Denying the above ayat is clear cut. But this thread is getting off topic. Please locate the appropriate thread for this discussion.

    Jazakumullahu Khair
    Last edited by sabr*; 08-16-2010 at 05:04 PM.
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
    wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
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    Re: Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Shukran. Just wantted to know becasue a person I know denies that. But I am not stupid to make takfeer on a person!
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    Post Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


    Sahih Bukahri Volume 9, Book 84, Number 69:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established till two (huge) groups fight against each other, their claim being one and the same."

    Jazakumullahu Khair
    Last edited by sabr*; 08-16-2010 at 05:04 PM.
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
    wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
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    Re: Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    ......... Which ones?
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    Angry Re: Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sister Unknown View Post
    ......... Which ones?

    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    Does it really matter? Muslims fighting each other is Fitna. You can apply it to all the fighting currently occurring. Each side thinks they are correct. With differing supporters. Horrible!

    The killing of innocent women, children, elderly,non combatants and blowing up the places where Allah's name is glorified will be answered to Allah.
    Last edited by sabr*; 08-16-2010 at 05:03 PM.
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
    wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
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    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 9:

    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

    The Prophet said, "A Muslim is the one who avoids harming Muslims with his tongue and hands. And a Muhajir (emigrant) is the one who gives up (abandons) all what Allah has forbidden."
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
    wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
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    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 10:

    Narrated Abu Musa:

    Some people asked Allah's Apostle, "Whose Islam is the best? i.e. (Who is a very good Muslim)?" He replied, "One who avoids harming the Muslims with his tongue and hands."
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
    wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
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    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 12:

    Narrated Anas:

    The Prophet said, "None of you will have faith till he wishes for his (Muslim) brother what he likes for himself."
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
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    Re: Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!



    I like the topic of this thread. But you cant say that there is no Jihad just because we do not have a khalifa. We have to defend ourselves when we get attacked by kuffar in Muslim lands. You cannot just let them do whatever they want just because there is no Khalifa to emerge a army. The problem these days is people are not on one/correct Manhaj. Which is the Ahlus Sunnah wa Jama3(Salafs).
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    Exclamation Re: Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

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    I like the topic of this thread. But you cant say that there is no Jihad just because we do not have a khalifa. We have to defend ourselves when we get attacked by kuffar in Muslim lands. You cannot just let them do whatever they want just because there is no Khalifa to emerge a army. The problem these days is people are not on one/correct Manhaj. Which is the Ahlus Sunnah wa Jama3(Salafs).

    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    Ahmed M:

    Defending oneself or community is different from establishing campaigns that are targeted to kill innocent Muslims, women, children and non combatants. Destroying Masjid and churches. Anyone attempting to justify those actions against Allah's commands identifies themselves.
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
    wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
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    Re: Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    As-salaamu alaykum

    Bimsillah

    subhaanAllah, I've a lot to say but that will have to wait until the day after Eid.
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Fi Amanillah
    Wa As-Salāmu 'Alaykum
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    Bringing Da'wah back..to life!

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    As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

    Surah Nahl 16:90

    90. Verily, Allâh enjoins Al-Adl (i.e. justice and worshipping none but Allâh Alone - Islâmic Monotheism) and Al-Ihsân [i.e. to be patient in performing your duties to Allâh, totally for Allâh's sake and in accordance with the Sunnah (legal ways) of the Prophet SAW in a perfect manner], and giving (help) to kith and kin (i.e. all that Allâh has ordered you to give them e.g., wealth, visiting, looking after them, or any other kind of help, etc.): and forbids Al-Fahshâ' (i.e all evil deeds, e.g. illegal sexual acts, disobedience of parents, polytheism, to tell lies, to give false witness, to kill a life without right, etc.), and Al-Munkar (i.e all that is prohibited by Islâmic law: polytheism of every kind, disbelief and every kind of evil deeds, etc.), and Al-Baghy (i.e. all kinds of oppression), He admonishes you, that you may take heed. (Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)
    Muslims fighting each other only assist the enemies who fight against Muslims!

    Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
    Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
    ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
    wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
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