Dr. Zakir Naik, Shahrukh Khan, Soha Ali Khan on NDTV

format_quote Originally Posted by SMA89

I agreed to everything that ShahRukh Khan said.

Not the exact words but this is what he said:
"Just because you are not a specialist in Islam doesnt make you less of a muslim."
I remember KittenLover made a whole thread questioning if we should call a Moderate muslim a muslim or not. The answer is if he submits to God, then he is a muslim. Even Dr. Naik said that. A Christian is a Muslim, a Jew is a Muslim and etc.
Most of the people on this forum are TOO Strict and Extreme. I am happy you posted this video, so we can see different views of muslims.

"It is better to feel like a muslim than to look like one."
I really liked this quote because I am doing everything good as a human being and I am confident enough that I know that Allah loves me for what I do.

Yes brother I did make a thread about this cos I could not comprehend how some 1 could call themselve a Muslim and pick which verses of the Qur'an they submit to.

are you submitting to God when your happily drinking alcohol with your friends? When it is clearly been made unlawful by god?? what kind of submission is this?? submission to ur desires?

format_quote Originally Posted by SMA89

lol you sound like the devil. Let people have freedom to choose what they want to do. I call myself muslim because I follow Islam and do good in this world. Why are you getting mad if people are calling themselves muslims. Its just a word. Allah is the one who decides who is Good or Bad... not u. Thats why Zakir Naik said dont look at the muslims.. look at Islam.

You would know he probably loves joining your alcohol sessions, of course people can have the freedom to choose what they want to do but they shouldn't call themselves Muslim then, cos it's contradicting.

Muslim means 1 who submits to the commands of God, therefore you don't have total freedom to do what you want.

You live your life in adherance to the commands of God hence your a Muslim (one who submits to god)

yes Allah decides who is good or bad and what is the criterion Allah uses? the criterion for what is good and bad is the Qur'an.

So if your doing something against the commandments in the Qur'an it's bad according to god.

aka haraam.

format_quote Originally Posted by KittenLover

Yes brother I did make a thread about this cos I could not comprehend how some 1 could call themselve a Muslim and pick which verses of the Qur'an they submit to.

are you submitting to God when your happily drinking alcohol with your friends? When it is clearly been made unlawful by god?? what kind of submission is this?? submission to ur desires?

I dont abuse it. I know my limits. The reason prophet Mohammed doesnt want us to drink is because it leads to other sins but I have self control. By the way, The alcohol people drink ranges from 1-45% alcohol, the one you put on your body is 100%. So are the people who are putting rubbing alcohol on their body commiting a sin?

format_quote Originally Posted by KittenLover

You would know he probably loves joining your alcohol sessions, of course people can have the freedom to choose what they want to do but they shouldn't call themselves Muslim then, cos it's contradicting.

Muslim means 1 who submits to the commands of God, therefore you don't have total freedom to do what you want.

You live your life in adherance to the commands of God hence your a Muslim (one who submits to god)

yes Allah decides who is good or bad and what is the criterion Allah uses? the criterion for what is good and bad is the Qur'an.

So if your doing something against the commandments in the Qur'an it's bad according to god.

aka haraam.

Why is it bad? Do you know the positive effects of Red Wine? Try to read the Quran, using your brain instead of following it blindly. Allah has recommended us to enjoy the fruits of the Earth so I think there might be a contradiction between Fruits and Wine.

Just out of Curiosity, Why does the Quran state that there will be Rivers of wine in Heaven. It must be a good thing then dont you think?

format_quote Originally Posted by SMA89

I dont abuse it. I know my limits. The reason prophet Mohammed doesnt want us to drink is because it leads to other sins but I have self control. By the way, The alcohol people drink ranges from 1-45% alcohol, the one you put on your body is 100%. So are the people who are putting rubbing alcohol on their body commiting a sin?

LOL the issue is not whether you abuse it or not, the issue is God doesn't like it

regardless if you have self control, and what alcohol do people rub in their bodies that intoxicates them?

next your probably gonna say

"well if you don't drink to the point your intoxicated it's ok to drink"

all I'm gonna say is submit to Allah a true submittance, not picking and choosing what agree's with you.

format_quote Originally Posted by SMA89

Just out of Curiosity, Why does the Quran state that there will be Rivers of wine in Heaven. It must be a good thing then dont you think?

The river's of wine in jannah won't have intoxicating effects you won't lose your senses and find yourself fornicatting with your mother.

format_quote Originally Posted by KittenLover

The river's of wine in jannah won't have intoxicating effects you won't lose your senses and find yourself fornicatting with your mother.

lol dont bring my mom into this. What kind of muslim are you to talk about fornicating with my mother. I drank wine before and I am still a virgin so your analogy is wrong that everyone who drinks fornicates. I am strong enough to control my senses.

format_quote Originally Posted by SMA89

If God doesnt like it then why is there rivers of wine in heaven?
I am not a heavy drinker. I only drink at formal parties for work and etc. Im sure Allah can forgive me for the good I have done for the world and also for the good I plan on doing for the world. After all Allah is Most Forgiving

"The rulings (ahkaam) of this world are not like the rulings of the Hereafter. The wine of this world causes people to lose their minds, unlike the good wine of the Hereafter which does not make people lose their minds or cause headaches or stomachaches".


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Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

KittenLover just out of curiousity do you enjoy life that you live right now and are you happy?

format_quote Originally Posted by KittenLover

"The rulings (ahkaam) of this world are not like the rulings of the Hereafter. The wine of this world causes people to lose their minds, unlike the good wine of the Hereafter which does not make people lose their minds or cause headaches or stomachaches".


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Alcohol makes me happy and joyful. It creates an environment where everyone is happy. I dont have headaches, stomachaches and I dont lose my mind. So it has a positive effect on me. Only those negative effects occur to the people that abuse it.

format_quote Originally Posted by SMA89

lol dont bring my mom into this. What kind of muslim are you to talk about fornicating with my mother. I drank wine before and I am still a virgin so your analogy is wrong that everyone who drinks fornicates. I am strong enough to control my senses.

That was a general example of what sometimes happens when people get drunk I wasn't referring specifically to you or insulting your mother in any way. So please forgive me if you felt I was insulting your mother.

But stuff like that does happen. People end up fornicatting on aeroplanes in public. You lose all sense of shame.

I didn't say every 1 who drinks ends up fornicatting but that could be 1 of the outcomes.

format_quote Originally Posted by SMA89

KittenLover just out of curiousity do you enjoy life that you live right now and are you happy?

Alhamdulilah I'm high on the rememberance of Allah and obeying his commandments I don't need worldy things to make me happy like expensive clothes and foods.

Earning the pleasure of Allah is what makes me happy

Intoxicants were forbidden in the Qur'an through several separate verses revealed at different times over a period of years. At first, it was forbidden for Muslims to attend to prayers while intoxicated (4:43). Then a later verse was revealed which said that alcohol contains some good and some evil, but the evil is greater than the good (2:219). This was the next step in turning people away from consumption of it. Finally, "intoxicants and games of chance" were called "abominations of Satan's handiwork," intended to turn people away from God and forget about prayer, and Muslims were ordered to abstain (5:90-91). (Note - the Qur'an is not arranged chronologically, so later verses of the book were not necessarily revealed after earlier verses.) In the first verse cited above, the word for "intoxicated" is sukara which is derived from the word "sugar" and means drunk or intoxicated. That verse doesn't mention the drink which makes one so. In the next verses cited, the word which is often translated as "wine" or "intoxicants" is al-khamr, which is related to the verb "to ferment." This word could be used to describe other intoxicants such as beer, although wine is the most common understanding of the word.
Muslims interpret these verses in total to forbid any intoxicating substance -- whether it be wine, beer, gin, whiskey, or whatever. The result is the same, and the Qur'an outlines that it is the intoxication, which makes one forgetful of God and prayer, which is harmful. Over the years, the list of intoxicating substances has come to include more modern street drugs and the like.
The Prophet Muhammad also instructed his followers, at the time, to avoid any intoxicating substances -- (paraphrased) "if it intoxicates in a large amount, it is forbidden even in a small amount." For this reason, most observant Muslims avoid alcohol in any form, even small amounts that are sometimes used in cooking.

Why didnt Allah give a Direct solution about drinking? It clearly shows that muslims were drinking even when Prophet Mohammed was in power.

format_quote Originally Posted by KittenLover

Alhamdulilah I'm high on the rememberance of Allah and obeying his commandments I don't need worldy things to make me happy like expensive clothes and foods.

Earning the pleasure of Allah is what makes me happy

I also have love for Allah and I have confidence that he loves me but what are you doing on Earth? Don't waste your life, why not do something good and productive also while you submit to God. There are some muslims who call this Earth hell, and neglect life and only pray to Allah. Allah created this beautiful Earth for us to live and enjoy life. Not be depressed/sad filled with hatred towards other people and only love Allah. We are here to submit to Allah and also take care of the Earth to create a better future for the next generation.