Firstly, I understand this may be a bit of a debatable topic. I would like to firstly ask what is jalali wird? Also, from what I have heard Ayat-e-Karima is extremely powerful and constant recitation should be done under certain conditions. Is this correct? I have also heard it's quite hot whereas something like Durood Shareef is quite cold.
I understand I have been quite vague but any help with what Ayat-e-Karima truly is and maybe any hadith references would be grateful.
Recitation of the Quraan has an actual physical effect on the hearts and ruh of people (reciters and listeners). Take the example of Umar Ibn Khattab RA and the manner in which his heart changed in favour of Islam after his encounter with the few verses of the Quraan.
There are some verses, noted via the experience of pious people throughout the past till present, that are known to have a more 'powerful' effect than others.
For example, there's Ayat-ul Kursi. This is seen as a 'jalali'/powerful verse. It can be recited to protect against and ward off jinns/shayateen and it will do this job.
However, reciting too much (say 5000+ times a day) of a verse that is extremely powerful to begin with may lead to reciters experiencing some undesirable effects. In such quantities, it may be too much to handle. An overdose.
There are numerous anecdotes related to people going mad or insane after doing such lengthy unnecessary and strenous sessions of dhikr.
Hence, scholars of the sub continent have taken the precaution of informing the lay public on the powerful nature of some verses and advised against excessive recitation of them.
That's the fact behind this jalali stuff. Nothing bidah there.
There has been no observable undesirable effect of excessive sending of salawat on the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihe Wassalam and usually quite the opposite has happened throughout history (i.e. nothing but good has come out of it), hence it is seen as 'soft' and always promoted.
However, reciting too much (say 5000+ times a day) of a verse that is extremely powerful to begin with may lead to reciters experiencing some undesirable effects. In such quantities, it may be too much to handle. An overdose.
There are numerous anecdotes related to people going mad or insane after doing such lengthy unnecessary and strenous sessions of dhikr.
I see. I have to admit that I haven't heard of either that type of dhikr, or it's effects. I would submit then, that it is precisely due to people going to extremes that are not sanctioned in the sunnah that they then see these effects. Which brings us back full circle. If we stick to Qur'an and sunnah, and don't do these wirds that some people prescribe in which you read the same thing 5000 times, and instead we make a variety of adhkaar; subhaanallah, alhamdulillah, allahu akbar, astaghfirullah, laa howla wa laa quwwata illaa billaah, laa ilaaha illallaah, durood shareef, some du3as, ayatul kursi, morning and evening supplications etc, as well as our personal du'aas, and commit no excesses such as the abovementioned one, that are not sanctioned in the sunnah, then there is no problem. It is not following the sunnah that causes the problem.
Remember, dhikr is one of the few things in the Qur'an, which is prescribed to do much and in abundance. However, while we always think of dhikr as being on the tongue, remember it can be in the heart too, eg when you are remembering Allah without actually saying any words.
None of us is suggesting that we should do dhikr 100% of the time, but neither should we suggest that doing a lot of dhikr can be bad. If we want to warn, then we should say that doing dhikr in a way not sanctioned by Qur'an and sunnah, is bad.
If dhikr is done in accordance with the Qur'an and sunnah, (and that includes abundant dhikr as mentioned in the Qur'an), this should be the effect:
أَلاَ بِذِكْرِ اللَّهِ تَطْمَئِنُّ الْقُلُوبُ
"Verily in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest." (Surah al-Ra'd, Surah 13, part of ayah 28)
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u ppl are more knowledgeable
We are all here to learn. I don't think that any of us can claim to be knowledgable. I have learnt much from this thread, and from other posts of yours too.
And Allah knows best in all matters, and may He forgive me if I said anything wrong.
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sister, i am sorry, but if u dont mind i want to say, yes we must dislike bidha but what u siad above is like that; let suppose a person says water has effect that it removes our thrist, should we say its bidha bcz its not told in hadith that water removes thrist....???? i mention in my post above that even IMAM GHAZALI in "AAksir Hadayat" quote a hadith that excess of zikar make person rough, there fore Prophet PBUH used to say Aysha RA to talk to him so that He got gresh up for ebada. How u say its bidha to blv in these saying....??? blv i told its my personal experience that "keeping ur attention toward ALLAH SWT" for a long time is heavy on ur mind. blv u will feel much mentally tired if u do zikar with attention for long time/excess. so how say one say its bidha to blv what i have my personal experince. i think we should not hve to much strict/agreesive behaviour that we neglect our commen sense in some matter.
Kindly note in the 13th line of your answer you mistakenly wrote " gresh " instead of "fresh" . Please understand I am not attempting to be a grammar nazi here . My sole intention behind writing this message is out of respect for the sacred Personality mentioned above so please correct the word in question before long or else grave sin will be on you
Most of dhikr loving creeds, recite dhikr in thousands, but do not neglect other nawafil ibadah-you make dhikr in namaz/salat too, sunnah duas on every step, "dunya" with besmellah and elhamdulillah. You must not neglect "dunya", health, whealth, family, friends, neighbors, community!
Sometimes Shaytan la or unorthodox attack you because they want you to stop not to earn good deeds or to be able to manipulate you.
Anyone experiencing similar problems, try to read in addition 3x surah Yasin and Manzil at nighttime and daytime.
PS
Imam al Ghazali was a genious for his time indeed. Some reject his hadith knowledge/verification.
Sometimes one fabticated hadith can lead to much evil.
In that era books were very costly and written by hand.
Nowdays we must be euchron. We have databases with tens of thousands validated and graded hadith. There are tags. What a genious could accomplish in a month time before with best of resources, and ordinary scholar nowdays can in a day time inshaAllah.
We must be also productive and dynamic nowdays in "dunya", of course lawful good halal means.
People make mistakes.
I would suggest Ihya as an advanced/comperative reading after madrasa like education, and advanced studies/reading of Quran, hadith, Arabic, sirah, fiqh and a lot of nawafil practicing, dhikr, estegfar, shukr, duas on every step (a lot duas for guidence).
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