Taliban in America

all this propaganda is utterly unnecessary, America will meet a similar fate in Afghanistan as the Russians did before it, as the British did before it, as the Mongols did before as Alexander did before..

Afghanistan is the grave yard of empires:
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...ard-of-empires

a little smear campaign against the Taliban will not have any impact at all, whether or not there are Muslims who are jumping on that evil axis Taliban bandwagon.
America's ego is colossal and its fall there will be very painful..

you can't take away something from people who have absolutely nothing except their strong convictions!

format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77

even if we were to pretend that the thousands of taliban present in afghanistan are from foreign countries, The Fact is muslims are not seen as foreigners in muslim lands

first, i can think of at least one source that makes the claim that most taliban members were not native afghanis. second, YOU might think it's okay for the taliban to invade Muslims lands but a) you are ignorant of the political & nationalistic agenda that surrounds the taliban and b) the most important group of people to ask whether the taliban are unwanted foreigners is by asking the afghan people themselves. and so you can think about this on your own don't forget that if the afghan people don't want USA or NATO in afghanistan it does not follow that the Taliban are wanted instead.

The only insurgants and unwanted foreigners in Afghanistan are Nato, British and
American forces.

And I am adding the Taliban to the list unwanted foreigners in Afghanistan.

It is they who are not wanted and it is the media who decievingly portray that the Taliban are somehow not wanted in Afghanistan

You're probably part of the same group of Muslims and people that did not know the Taliban existed until Sept 11. This might come as a shock to you but the Taliban have had a bad reputation before the WTC got blown up and this is not limited to Western News.

when it is they who gave stability to Afghanistan just like Saddam gave stability to Iraq. It is proven now that Iraq is now worse off than it ever was and was much better under Saddam.

This might explain why Muslim countries are falling apart; it takes more than just law and order to get a country out of ruins; you need to build up infrastructure and economy. Do you think the Taliban were capable of this? 'cause I'll bet they thought Afghanistan would get better if they prayed hard enough.

oh and I don't know why you keep mentioning Iraq. Iraq is a different country that doesn't even border Afghanistan...their situations are not analogous at all.

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble

Defend their 'land' from who? The war is about political control in Afghanistan, not space to graze livestock and grow vegetables (or opium poppies come to that). Those who actually own and use the land would like nothing more than both Taliban and their enemies to just go away and leave them to get on with the farming.

I am utterly amused at how many of you speak on behalf of the afghans as if you were natives and surveyed its people directly of their wants . Even if the Taliban were the horrible monstrosity that the west makes them out to be, it still wouldn't justify years on end of wars and illegal occupation 'poppy' or not.. I can only wish more death and destruction upon those foreign forces descending down on Afghanistan and I am certain that they'll all meet a similar fate as history has so far revealed.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ubah

Says who? You?

The fact is NONE of us know who the Taliban are. The fact is none of us has ever met Taliban. The fact is none of us have experienced occupation under the Taliban. And Tyion is talking about some of those who have experience occupation under the Taliban.

Nor do we know whether they are actually fighting for their own people.

Who is the Taliban? Are Pakistani Taliban the same as Afghanistan Taliban? If so, committing suicide in Pakistan killing many Muslims is hardly defending your religion or land.

I and Tyion are NOT naive enough to support a group we don’t know, never met or experienced. No where have I seen Tyion wrote that he support western war in Afghanistan and Iraq or western media.

I am very much against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. That does not mean I have to support Taliban.

Talk is cheap.

1. Do Question wat ur Zionist'Owned'Media tells u. 2. Make excuses for ur fellow Muslims. 3. Ever heard of Yvonne ridley? Incase u havent. Shes the intelligent woman who got captured by the taliban in Afghanistan who ended up accepting islam.

The name of her book is called 'In the hands of the taliban'.

Heres our sista Yvonne ridley speaking of the Taliban...

format_quote Originally Posted by Ubah

Saddam gave stability to Iraq?

Saddam was not a good leader but there was some stability. You do not have to be a supporter of Saddam to acknowledge that the country was stable before 2003.

format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx

first, i can think of at least one source that makes the claim that most taliban members were not native afghanis.

Evidence please.

second, YOU might think it's okay for the taliban to invade Muslims lands

So the Taliban invaded Afghanistan? Source?

but a) you are ignorant of the political & nationalistic agenda that surrounds the taliban

Nationalistic? I'm curious, if the members of the Taliban were not native Afghans, then which country are their loyal to?

b) the most important group of people to ask whether the taliban are unwanted foreigners is by asking the afghan people themselves. and so you can think about this on your own don't forget that if the afghan people don't want USA or NATO in afghanistan it does not follow that the Taliban are wanted instead.

I get the impression that you seem to speak for the Afghan people.

And I am adding the Taliban to the list unwanted foreigners in Afghanistan.

Who does not want the Taliban in Afghanistan? Evidence.

it takes more than just law and order to get a country out of ruins; you need to build up infrastructure and economy. Do you think the Taliban were capable of this?

It could take years for a country to develop, especially after a series of wars. If America had not attacked Afghanistan, we could have seen whether the Taliban were successful or not.

format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx

, a spokesperson from the taliban is just about as credible as a spokesperson from the whitehouse.

Did you watch the video? In fact, do you know who was even speaking?

i think you mean The Fact is the taliban are another example of unwanted foreign interference in afghanistan

Well please do present evidence for this...FACT. x_x

format_quote Originally Posted by Ubah

The fact is NONE of us know who the Taliban are. The fact is none of us has ever met Taliban. The fact is none of us have experienced occupation under the Taliban. And Tyion is talking about some of those who have experience occupation under the Taliban.

Brother Tyrion did not even watch the video and there is a possibility he might change his mind after he watched the video. In fact, he has not been able to back up his claims about the stories he heard.

True, none of us have met the Taliban nor lived under the Taliban regime. Therefore, we rely on lectures, books, articles and documentaries to give us an idea. Watching the video is a good starting point...of course, you can decide whether you believe him or not.

Nor do we know whether they are actually fighting for their own people.

Who are they fighting for then?

That does not mean I have to support Taliban.

No one is telling you to support the Taliban. :x

format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

I am utterly amused at how many of you speak on behalf of the afghans as if you were natives and surveyed its people directly of their wants.

Same here.

format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow

Evidence please.

Taliban ranks furthermore continue to be filled with Pakistani nationals (an estimated 20-40 percent of Taliban soldiers are Pakistani according to the document) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/

#30
this figure is not including chechnyan and arab soldiers and whatever else stuck around after the soviets were kicked out.

So the Taliban invaded Afghanistan? Source?

how do you think they got power? they took it by force and have been at war with other factions for power.

Nationalistic? I'm curious, if the members of the Taliban were not native Afghans, then which country are their loyal to?

The taliban are part of an ongoing pakistani initiative to gain control of that region; the warlord gulbideen hekmatyar was a previous attempt gone rogue.

I get the impression that you seem to speak for the Afghan people.

I don't, but their opinion is most important. Taliban supporters on the other hand don't seem to care.

Who does not want the Taliban in Afghanistan? Evidence.

There's a sizeable population in the north that has been fighting off the taliban since their coup so there's one group.

It could take years for a country to develop, especially after a series of wars. If America had not attacked Afghanistan, we could have seen whether the Taliban were successful or not.

Yeah maybe, but I doubt that it would be likely since most of them seem to come from madrassas..

format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx

them seem to come from madrassas.

all educated people go to madrassas.. does Madrasa have different meaning for you westerners than it does us? If so then perhaps all your perpetual unending nonsense is best aimed at an audience of your peers? It is just comical..

one can take any portion of your post and comment endlessly on how much is wrong with it .. that is if one wishes to waste their time.. taking your enraptured closing statement and enjoying the fatuity of it will suffice.

all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

all educated people go to madrassas.. does Madrasa have different meaning for you westerners than it does us? If so then perhaps all your perpetual unending nonsense is best aimed at an audience of your peers? It is just comical..

one can take any portion of your post and comment endlessly on how much is wrong with it .. that is if one wishes to waste their time.. taking your enraptured closing statement and enjoying the fatuity of it will suffice.

all the best

okay okay this might come as a shock to you...but sometimes, the meaning of the word is changed slightly under different contexts ! so although madrassa might mean school in a general context, the context that i was using madrassa in is to refer to the littlle religious shacks that taliban kids go to until theyre in their mid teens at which point they are shipped off to afghanistan. don't you ever get tired from not thinking before posting?

format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx

okay okay this might come as a shock to you...but sometimes, the meaning of the word is changed slightly under different contexts ! so although madrassa might mean school in a general context, the context that i was using madrassa in is to refer to the littlle religious shacks that taliban kids go to until theyre in their mid teens at which point they are shipped off to afghanistan. don't you ever get tired from not thinking before posting?

Wow, way to generalize things. Quite evident you're speaking out of ignorance rather than facts. I've never been sent to a madrassa but i know people who have and none of them turned into"taliban kids" and got sent off to Afghanistan.. I think more and more the Media encourages people to not send their children to have a proper Islamic education, and then there are those who actually believe these things that the media and others perpetuate. The only reason you're bringing this hate is because NATO, the US and UK governments are failing in Afghanistan and you would rather blame that on Islam. Just to let you know, more soldiers take their own lives than get killed by Taliban. I wonder why, is it because they are drugged up so they can stay happy and kill eithout feeling bad, or because they can't live with the fact that they are, and have to, kill innocent men, women and children, you tell me. But i guess it's all Islam's fault because children are sent to Madrassas to become "Taliban kids" and thus for this reason the US and the rest of them had to invade..

format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx

okay okay this might come as a shock to you...but sometimes, the meaning of the word is changed slightly under different contexts ! so although madrassa might mean school in a general context, the context that i was using madrassa in is to refer to the littlle religious shacks that taliban kids go to until theyre in their mid teens at which point they are shipped off to afghanistan. don't you ever get tired from not thinking before posting?

I am not shocked by your ignorance-No!.. but if you are going to put your own spin on an Arabic term again do it with like minded fools if you wish for it to simply slide by and not be ridiculed for it (although everything you write is indeed worthy of ridicule for those with the time).. Also do you have anything against religious schools? And again another adequate assessment of yourself.. for surely if you actually reflected on before you write you'd not be making one blunder after the next and then come back with one futile effort after the next to save face and tweak meanings!

all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble

If they arrive carrying cameras, maybe (unless they are Palestinian, of course). If they arrive carrying AK47s and a price on their head, just possibly not.:rolleyes:

If they arrive carrying AK47s and a price on their head, willing to rid the nation of a corrupt puppet goverment and non-muslim warmongerers, then they'd be even more welcome.

This is why the taliban still exist, the people want them, they support them and send their kids to join them.

format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888

Who to believe? And I do not support any war!

your unreferenced sources of course!



celebration is universal .. here we have Jews celebrating the death of Gaza children in the way of Yahweh..

all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx

Taliban ranks furthermore continue to be filled with Pakistani nationals (an estimated 20-40 percent of Taliban soldiers are Pakistani according to the document) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/

What about remaining 60%?

Taliban ranks furthermore continue to be filled with Pakistani nationals (an estimated 20-40 percent of Taliban soldiers are Pakistani according to the document), which further solidifies Pakistan-Taliban relations, even though this does not indicate not outward or official Pakistani government support. Osama bin Laden is mentioned as supporting pro-Taliban Arab fighters from an office in Herat.

Just because there are Taliban soldiers who happen to be Pakistani, does not necessarily mean that the Pakistani government supports them.

how do you think they got power? they took it by force and have been at war with other factions for power.

Yes, but I want evidence. I would like more detail.

The taliban are part of an ongoing pakistani initiative to gain control of that region; the warlord gulbideen hekmatyarwas a previous attempt gone rogue

.

Why would Pakistan would like to gain control of that region? Oh evidence for this too.

There's a sizeable population in the north that has been fighting off the taliban since their coup so there's one group.

Source...

Yeah maybe, but I doubt that it would be likely since most of them seem to come from madrassas..

So? You can be educated at Oxford University but it does not mean you are fit to govern a country. Though being educated can be a good basis to get into politics.

I'm not entirely sure but what are you trying to prove exactly? That the Afghan people do not support the Taliban?

format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

Now who is buying into propoganda?

What propaganda?

format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

You mean like here:

Your point?

format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx

so although madrassa might mean school in a general context, the context that i was using madrassa in is to refer to the littlle religious shacks that taliban kids go to until theyre in their mid teens at which point they are shipped off to afghanistan.

How do you know?

don't you ever get tired from not thinking before posting?

You must be really tired at this rate.

format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx

okay okay this might come as a shock to you...but sometimes, the meaning of the word is changed slightly under different contexts ! so although madrassa might mean school in a general context, the context that i was using madrassa in is to refer to the littlle religious shacks that taliban kids go to until theyre in their mid teens at which point they are shipped off to afghanistan. don't you ever get tired from not thinking before posting?

This might also come as a shock to you but the media will never truly tell you the full truth in context about the invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq for they will tell you their own created "truth". It is very clear to all that you know nothing about the people in Afghanistan apart from what you read in the papers or on the news and you make it out like you know exactly what the Afghan people want. How much more do you want to expose your flawed and baseless arguments?