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So anything that is not reported in the media is propoganda? Just like when the media reported that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction? Just like the dossier for going to war in the first place was over exaturated. Oh none of that is propoganda because the media reported it right? One should wake up and open ones eyes and realise that the media will never tell you the full and true reality of a given situation.
The fact that much of the media is controlled by zionists and that they decide what content goes into the news is very well known. For you it may be propoganda but for us it is reality. Maybe you should also wake up into reality. In the real world things are not always as they seem.
Asalaamu Alaikum, Sister if you wish to remain neutral then why did you state that it was Taliban who are setting off suicide bombs in Pakistan? Did you get that from the media? If you wish to remain neutral then do not attribute suicide bombing to the Taliban if you do not know for certain whether it was them or not.
It is very easy for anyone to commit an atrocity and blame it on a group of people. This is a very old tactic and one which is used very successfully.
Actually it was not the west that said Taliban committed some of the suicide in Pakistan. They (Pakistan Taliban) themselves admitted it. Whether Pakistan Taliban is the same as Taliban in Afghanistan, then I don’t know.
Actually it was not the west that said Taliban committed some of the suicide in Pakistan. They (Pakistan Taliban) themselves admitted it. Whether Pakistan Taliban is the same as Taliban in Afghanistan, then I don’t know.
Asalaamu Alaikum, if you are unsure of a matter then it is best not to assume and comment on it.
Asalaamu Alaikum, Sister if you wish to remain neutral then why did you state that it was Taliban who are setting off suicide bombs in Pakistan? Did you get that from the media? If you wish to remain neutral then do not attribute suicide bombing to the Taliban if you do not know for certain whether it was them or not.
It is very easy for anyone to commit an atrocity and blame it on a group of people. This is a very old tactic and one which is used very successfully.
I already know all what you have written and I agree. But does not mean Iraq was stable under Saddam, it just gotten worse. Again that does not mean it was close to stability under Saddam. Saddam, well what do you want me to say about him? Saddam never brought stability to Iraq.
I already know all what you have written and I agree. But does not mean Iraq was stable under Saddam, it just gotten worse. Again that does not mean it was close to stability under Saddam. Saddam, well what do you want me to say about him? Saddam never brought stability to Iraq.
1. Do Question wat ur Zionist'Owned'Media tells u. 2. Make excuses for ur fellow Muslims. 3. Ever heard of Yvonne ridley? Incase u havent. Shes the intelligent woman who got captured by the taliban in Afghanistan who ended up accepting islam.
The name of her book is called 'In the hands of the taliban'.
Heres our sista Yvonne ridley speaking of the Taliban...
Seriously can Muslims stop using the "Zionist media" line, it getting irritating now?
Do you question what this woman tells you? Or simply blow down to anyone that calls themselves a "muslim". Well if that is the case, then I am sure you do not mind listening "Muslim" who experienced occupation under Taliban, who happen to say exact opposite to this lady. Or is is that only”Muslim" who happen to say the side you like is truthfully and honest. They are the one that deserve "excuses" but "Muslim" who speaks out against Taliban do not deserve excuses. Firstly I do not know if the Taliban are bad people and I simply choose not to support them but I am also not against them because I happen to make "excuses" to both sides (the Taliban and Muslims who are against them).
Seriously can Muslims stop using the "Zionist media" line, it getting irritating now? Do you question what this woman tells you?
what lines would you like to have used so we can cater to your sensibilities? please write them in advance so we can inject them along the path you tread! also 'this lady' happens to have been a celebrated journalist who was taken into captivity by the 'evil taliban' a strange effect they must have had on her with their satanic uneducated ways.. have you dealt with any Taliban at all to know which side of the story one should adhere to?
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I am also not against them
yeah Ok!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Seriously can Muslims stop using the "Zionist media" line, it getting irritating now?
Do you question what this woman tells you? Or simply blow down to anyone that calls themselves a "muslim". Well if that is the case, then I am sure you do not mind listening "Muslim" who experienced occupation under Taliban, who happen to say exact opposite to this lady. Or is is that only”Muslim" who happen to say the side you like is truthfully and honest. They are the one that deserve "excuses" but "Muslim" who speaks out against Taliban do not deserve excuses. Firstly I do not know if the Taliban are bad people and I simply choose not to support them but I am also not against them because I happen to make "excuses" to both sides (the Taliban and Muslims who are against them).
Seriously can you also stop making up your own assumptions about Muslims when you have already confirmed you do not know anything about them.
You have confirmed over and over again that you do not know anything about the Taliban yet you have already stated that they are suicide bombers and that you choose not to support them. That does'nt make any sense?
Why is it that you do not have a single good word to say about your Muslim brothers and sisters yet you are quick to agree with exactly what the media portray about them? That is a Very sad state of affairs i must say when Muslims slander other Muslims. You should be ashamed.
It is about time that you stop assuming things about the Taliban and Iraq when you have already confirmed you don't know anything about these matters and that you should actually do some research otherwise it is pointless having a conversation with a brickwall. Open your eyes and wake up to reality. We are not in a dream world and not everything is as it seems.
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Its called research you should try it some time rather than blindly take in everything the media says to you.
I can find research that says the exact same opposite. Research does not mean you personally know these people, research does not mean you personally experience these people. Research to you means sitting behind a computer listening or reading other people experiences from youtube or googleing. I as Muslim will not support Taliban especially if there are doubts that they may have oppressed their own people or may not be following Islamic guidelines. And I wish you and other Muslims would just respect that. And STOP excusing us of being blinded by “Zionist” or “western media” or in some cases calling us (the Muslims that do not support Taliban) “moderate” Muslim which is an insult like we are less of a Muslim then you.
If you do feel strongly about Taliban, how about making duas to guide me to the truth.
For me that is the end of the matter, I cannot keep up with replies as I do have children to attend to during the school holiday. Goodbye
Why is it that you do not have a single good word to say about your Muslim brothers and sisters yet you are quick to agree with exactly what the media portray about them? That is a Very sad state of affairs i must say when Muslims slander other Muslims.
I have to agree... it is better to simply change ones way of life than live like a hypocrite!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Or simply blow down to anyone that calls themselves a "muslim".
No. There are Muslims that lie.
Well if that is the case, then I am sure you do not mind listening "Muslim" who experienced occupation under Taliban, who happen to say exact opposite to this lady.
Present the evidence then.
I simply choose not to support them but I am also not against them because I happen to make "excuses" to both sides (the Taliban and Muslims who are against them).
What?
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
what lines would you like to have used so we can cater to your sensibilities? please write them in advance so we can inject them along the path you tread! also 'this lady' happens to have been a celebrated journalist who was taken into captivity by the 'evil taliban' a strange effect they must have had on her with their satanic uneducated ways.. have you dealt with any Taliban at all to know which side of the story one should adhere to?
yeah Ok!
No need to be so rude.
One lady who “happen to be taken into captivity” by the “evil Taliban” (love how you put words into my written which I have not expressed thus far!) vs. How many people who experienced the Taliban? Keep counting.. I am sure this lady opinion and experience is far more valuable than some “uneducated” burn, beaten women or men who speak out against the Taliban! And you young lady happen to “unbiased” yourself! I still stand that I am not really against the Taliban but sure will not support them! Goodbye!
In fact we were being exceptionally accommodating!
One lady who “happen to be taken into captivity” by the “evil Taliban” (love how you put words into my written which I have not expressed thus far!) vs. How many people who experienced the Taliban? Keep counting.. I am sure this lady opinion and experience is far more valuable than some “uneducated” burn, beaten women or men who speak out against the Taliban! And you young lady happen to “unbiased” yourself! I still stand that I am not really against the Taliban but sure will not support them! Goodbye!
Do you have something to impart besides emotive speech and last 'corporate' news refuse? Again, I think we're all eagerly awaiting your case series report on the observed effect physical and emotional of those living under 'Taliban rule' -- until then I think what you write is fair game to anyone here to dismantle with minor effort!
all the best
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Seriously can you also stop making up your own assumptions about Muslims when you have already confirmed you do not know anything about them.
You have confirmed over and over again that you do not know anything about the Taliban yet you have already stated that they are suicide bombers and that you choose not to support them. That does'nt make any sense?
Why is it that you do not have a single good word to say about your Muslim brothers and sisters yet you are quick to agree with exactly what the media portray about them? That is a Very sad state of affairs i must say when Muslims slander other Muslims. You should be ashamed.
It is about time that you stop assuming things about the Taliban and Iraq when you have already confirmed you don't know anything about these matters and that you should actually do some research otherwise it is pointless having a conversation with a brickwall. Open your eyes and wake up to reality. We are not in a dream world and not everything is as it seems.
I do know anything about them neither do you!
I only stated what they have already admitted to!
Actually I rather talk to the lady in the video posted then someone like you who happen to only watch youtube videos of Taliban and have not actually spoken to them. I know there two side to every story and the truth!
I can find research that says the exact same opposite. Research does not mean you personally know these people, research does not mean you personally experience these people. Research to you means sitting behind a computer listening or reading other people experiences from youtube or googleing. I as Muslim will not support Taliban especially if there are doubts that they may have oppressed their own people or may not be following Islamic guidelines. And I wish you and other Muslims would just respect that. And STOP excusing us of being blinded by “Zionist” or “western media” or in some cases calling us (the Muslims that do not support Taliban) “moderate” Muslim which is an insult like we are less of a Muslim then you. If you do feel strongly about Taliban, how about making duas to guide me to the truth. For me that is the end of the matter, I cannot keep up with replies as I do have children to attend to during the school holiday. Goodbye
Sister it seems to me as if you have a habit of always assuming things. You have already assumed that the Taliban are suicide bombers when you have already confirmed you know nothing about them. You have also stated that Iraq was already worse off before invasion when you have also confirmed that you know nothing about Iraq. Then you assume that i take my research from youtube. Now you have created a lie claiming i called you a moderate when i never said such a word unless you can quote it?
The point is I just find it shameful that you as a Muslim keeps on slandering those who you have already stated you know nothing about but instead choose to believe what the media portrays about them. These 'doubts' you talk about you obviously got from the media. So you would rather blindly believe their doubts than to trust your Muslim brothers and sisters. Very sad.
I think this should be a lesson to you to open your eyes and look at both sides of the coin rather than just one side. May Allah open up your heart and eyes to the truth and may Allah open the hearts of all the Muslims and non Muslims to the REAL truth of what is going on in the world today. Ameen
I can find research that says the exact same opposite.
Then post it. I would like to see it.
Research does not mean you personally know these people, research does not mean you personally experience these people.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Research to you means sitting behind a computer listening or reading other
people experiences from youtube or googleing.
How do you know how he conducts his research?
I as Muslim will not support Taliban
You mentioned this three times I think, we've got the message.
especially if there are doubts that they may have oppressed their own people or may not be following Islamic guidelines.
I'm fine with that.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
In fact we were being exceptionally accommodating!
Do you have something to impart besides emotive speech and last 'corporate' news refuse? Again, I think we're all eagerly awaiting your case series report on the observed effect physical and emotional of those living under 'Taliban rule' -- until then I think what you write is fair game to anyone here to dismantle with minor effort!
all the best
I dont see how I was being rude to you or anyone else on this discussion. I actually won’t be posting videos from youtube or articles! Like that would actually constitute as evidence that Taliban are good or bad people, if you think it does then well.... "I think what you write is fair game to anyone here to dismantle with minor effort!".
And btw as “Muslim” who should be utterly ashamed of calling another Muslim a hypocrite! In fact I won’t reply to you any longer, I wasted enough of time already! Let face, you do like those who do not support the Taliban Muslims or otherwise! Simple! Goodnight! (Gone
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