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    What is Women Role in Islam?


    I know women CAN’T be leader of a country, soldiers and judges. I know the most important role is being a mother and wife.

    I want to know whether CAN be something other than the OBVIOUS (medicine, teacher etc).

    I am asking this because I come across another respected scholar cursing women that speak in lectures, give talks etc. He was answering a question from a fellow Muslim who asked him what he thoughts were about women that “acted” like men by giving lectures.

    To be honest, I rolled my eyes at the question and the answer.

    And also I have come across members in this group saying women HAVE to do jobs that are the obvious jobs otherwise she is committing a sin and leaving her home unnecessary! So those of you (sisters) that have their own business, scientists, cleaners, receptionists, mathematicians etc are committing a sin! You can’t even give a lecture either (btw you dont have to raise you voice or use soft voice to give a talk)?

    Now I obviously think that it is wrong! Now why am I seeing more and more people that have this mentality? Don’t they look at the bigger picture and see the consequences? Most women that work in hospital and have business in Saudi and most Middle East countries are NON Muslims!

    I am beginning to feel like a militant feminist lol

    Please tell me that I am not only one?
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    Some Muslim women fought in the battle of Uhud. I can't see why they can't become soldiers or Judges for that matter. I honestly do not listen to those men and their mindset. They have too MUCH time on their hands and are heavily influenced by their culture.
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    This is a major problem that I am noticing too.

    There are some women who are emerging and trying to become valuable scholars of Islam, even here in the U.S. and Muslim men are attacking them for it left and right.

    It's unfortunate. Especially when you consider all of the fake/liberal/Moderate Muslims out there who are telling young Muslim girls that they don't have to wear hijab, that it is something that men created to oppresses them. Or telling them that it's OK to marry a non-Muslim man and finding sheiks to tell them still that it's OK and quoting Quran out of context. These men don't say anything to them.

    But when you have a woman who is covered, giving talks at universities, teaching these women the right way to be, Muslim men attack these women for that even when their husbands approve of this and travel with them. It truly is annoying. In my opinion, if you are a Muslim man, and you see a video of a Muslim sister online giving a beneficial Islamic lecture, and you find yourself attracted to that woman, SCROLL DOWN from the video so you can just hear audio, and if that's too much for you then click the X on the screen. There are plenty of other male lecturers out there like Nouman Ali Khan, Yusuf Estes, Joshua Evans who you can learn from. Instead, these men will say, SHE HAS TO WEAR niqab or she can't give dawah.... OK...the last time I checked, women can be Muslims too.

    I've seen some lectures online of Muslim men who, if I find myself attracted to them I just listen to the audio and if I am tempted to look again I just find another person to listen to. I don't DEMAND that men wear a niqab because he's too attractive to me and I'm not learning. That's ridiculous.

    A lot of time, Muslim women don't want to learn about how to be a Muslim woman from a man. It just doesn't make any sense. And I think that this is an issue among the Muslim community in the way that women are being attacked by Muslim men for trying to give dawah and help some Muslim sisters who might be on their way out of Islam...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aprender View Post
    This is a major problem that I am noticing too.

    There are some women who are emerging and trying to become valuable scholars of Islam, even here in the U.S. and Muslim men are attacking them for it left and right.

    It's unfortunate. Especially when you consider all of the fake/liberal/Moderate Muslims out there who are telling young Muslim girls that they don't have to wear hijab, that it is something that men created to oppresses them. Or telling them that it's OK to marry a non-Muslim man and finding sheiks to tell them still that it's OK and quoting Quran out of context. These men don't say anything to them.

    But when you have a woman who is covered, giving talks at universities, teaching these women the right way to be, Muslim men attack these women for that even when their husbands approve of this and travel with them. It truly is annoying. In my opinion, if you are a Muslim man, and you see a video of a Muslim sister online giving a beneficial Islamic lecture, and you find yourself attracted to that woman, SCROLL DOWN from the video so you can just hear audio, and if that's too much for you then click the X on the screen. There are plenty of other male lecturers out there like Nouman Ali Khan, Yusuf Estes, Joshua Evans who you can learn from. Instead, these men will say, SHE HAS TO WEAR niqab or she can't give dawah.... OK...the last time I checked, women can be Muslims too.

    I've seen some lectures online of Muslim men who, if I find myself attracted to them I just listen to the audio and if I am tempted to look again I just find another person to listen to. I don't DEMAND that men wear a niqab because he's too attractive to me and I'm not learning. That's ridiculous.

    A lot of time, Muslim women don't want to learn about how to be a Muslim woman from a man. It just doesn't make any sense. And I think that this is an issue among the Muslim community in the way that women are being attacked by Muslim men for trying to give dawah and help some Muslim sisters who might be on their way out of Islam...

    You are making a very good point sister. Obviously this is a cultural issue, really. This is what happens when you mix Islam with culture.

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    Here's a good thread on women scholars in Islam:

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueStranger View Post
    Some Muslim women fought in the battle of Uhud. I can't see why they can't become soldiers or Judges for that matter. I honestly do not listen to those men and their mindset. They have too MUCH time on their hands and are heavily influenced by their culture.

    I suggest you read topics about judges and soldiers.

    I am taking about people thinking everything else other than typical doctor and teachers is haram.

    In fact, now I am starting to see people telling sisters don't work as midwife because of the potential of working with male doctors. A girl I know quit her midwifery course because of it. Her father who is knowledgeable was upset that someone told her to quit. I can't with idiotic Muslim community! I just can't.


    I never see the day were I feel like a militant feminist and I am not lol
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    Mariam “Al-Astrolabiya” Al-Ijliya lived in the tenth century in Aleppo, Syria and was a famous scientist who designed and constructed astrolabes.

    Astrolabes were global positioning instruments that determine the position of the sun and planets, so they were used in the fields of astronomy, astrology and horoscopes. They were also used to tell time and for navigation by finding location by latitude and longitude. The Muslims used them to find the Qibla, prayer times, and determine starting days for Ramadan and Eid. Basically, an astrolabe is an old fashioned smart phone.


    Mariam’s father was an apprentice to a famous astrolabe maker in Baghdad and she in turn became his student. Her hand-crafted designs were so intricate and innovative that she was employed by the ruler of the city, Sayf Al Dawla, from 944 AD until 967 AD. She will always be remembered in history for her genius designs.

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    I'll have to agree that some people go around making everything haram and yet they exempt themselves the prohibitions they impose upon others.. I think everyone should use their brains though.. I wouldn't quit a job because someone told me oh it is haram.. then when they need a colonoscopy or a mastectomy or a C/section etc etc demand a Muslim doctor, a female at that and demand that the rest of the staff working along be the same as well.. Give me a break..
    anyhow I happened upon this article today written by a Muslim female writer..

    Living on Borrowed Time

    Somayya Patel

    Mar 16|00:00
    Last Updated on Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:19

    Time management is redundant if you are living your life doing whatever comes across your path, wandering aimlessly from one day to the next, not really knowing what direction you’re heading in. Having clearly defined goals in life is vital to living a healthy well-balanced life. Being unsure of where you are going can cause anxiety and a sense of dissatisfaction with life. In the Islamic tradition, the purpose of a believer is to worship God and acquire His pleasure and subsequently all of his goals in life should be directed towards that.

    "The time I kill is killing me." – Mason Cooley
    You may have heard the term ‘time management’ before and dismissed it as being one of the many newly concocted phrases of the self-help industry. However, it refers to using the time one has in the most effective manner and although not always labeled as that, this single trait has often been cited by many as one of the key success factors of all productive human beings, alive or dead, be it in the material or spiritual sense. Time is life and once lost can never be retrieved. The value of time is something never underestimated by people who live to make a difference and has always been the common denominator of those who left a legacy behind them. The historian and exegete, Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, who authored more than 350,000 pages of scholarly works is often remembered for his incredible use of time.
    Sometimes you will hear someone say ‘I do X to kill time’ as if having spare time is an annoying hindrance. At the other end of the spectrum are individuals who are constantly complaining ‘I don’t have enough time’. And the last type are the ones I envy: nearly always doing something productive, never complaining about the excess availability of time or lack thereof and they carry themselves with a certain aura of serenity, always maximizing their usage of time and realizing that every minute gone by is not going to return. The Prophet Muhammad said: ‘there are two blessings which many people do not make the most of and thus lose out: good health and free time.’
    Time management is redundant if you are living your life doing whatever comes across your path, wandering aimlessly from one day to the next, not really knowing what direction you’re heading in. Having clearly defined goals in life is vital to living a healthy well-balanced life. Being unsure of where you are going can cause anxiety and a sense of dissatisfaction with life. In the Islamic tradition, the purpose of a believer is to worship God and acquire His pleasure and subsequently all of his goals in life should be directed towards that.
    Once you have your goals in life clearly defined with scheduled action plans, the second step, prioritising will become easier. Trying to fit in a multitude of tasks in the limited time available can become a challenge when you haven’t decided what tasks should come first.
    The third step is to mentally and physically get rid of the stumbling blocks in your life which allow you to be unproductive or procrastinate. Coming across a task you don’t want to complete, have you ever found yourself discovering new things to do which weren’t important two minutes ago? If you have, you are a ‘structured procrastinator’. You make yourself believe that you are being productive and not lazy, but what you’re really doing is putting off critical tasks.
    At other times, you may make excuses like ‘I just don’t have the willpower’ as if willpower is like eye colour; something you were born with. Willpower is a personal trait which can either be developed or ignored. Accordingly, time management will hone your personal qualities, such as patience, determination, self-discipline, which are at the heart of tazkiyah, or purification of the self.
    And the final step is to wake up early. The Prophet Muhammad informed us that the early hours of the day are blessed. Along with taking other steps to increase the blessings in your life, bid farewell to the cozy duvet early in the morning and say to yourself: “Here I come. I have a purpose in life to fulfill, goals to achieve and no time to waste.”






    Notes:Somayya Patel writes on behalf of the 1st Ethical Charitable Trust, which encourages British Muslims to express their faith in ways which benefit wider society, thereby fostering improved social and religious cohesion. For more information, please visit www.1stethical.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet106 View Post
    I am beginning to feel like a militant feminist lol
    As long as you don;t start hating men... lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueStranger View Post
    Some Muslim women fought in the battle of Uhud. I can't see why they can't become soldiers or Judges for that matter. I honestly do not listen to those men and their mindset. They have too MUCH time on their hands and are heavily influenced by their culture.
    the revelation of Islam did not stop at battle of Uhud. New rulings continued to be revealed for years afterwards. maybe you want to brush up on basic islam 101 history?

    I wonder why didnt Ayesha (ra) become ameera ul mumineen after death of Prophet.
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    Sorry for my bad grammar and spellings. I am using my phone and I have fat fingers!
    I just can’t with sheer stupidity! I beginning to think no one uses their common sense any more.

    And if you question their thoughts and their decision, you must be a feminist! That term has been hijacked and I don’t want to be associated with feminism they are talking about!

    I also don’t want to follow people like sheep and agreeing with idiocy!

    I forgot to say to ALL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll View Post
    I'll have to agree that some people go around making everything haram and yet they exempt themselves the prohibitions they impose upon others.. I think everyone should use their brains though.. I wouldn't quit a job because someone told me oh it is haram.. then when they need a colonoscopy or a mastectomy or a C/section etc etc demand a Muslim doctor, a female at that and demand that the rest of the staff working along be the same as well.. Give me a break..
    anyhow I happened upon this article today written by a Muslim female writer..

    Living on Borrowed Time


    Somayya Patel

    Mar 16|00:00
    Last Updated on Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:19
    Time management is redundant if you are living your life doing whatever comes across your path, wandering aimlessly from one day to the next, not really knowing what direction you’re heading in. Having clearly defined goals in life is vital to living a healthy well-balanced life. Being unsure of where you are going can cause anxiety and a sense of dissatisfaction with life. In the Islamic tradition, the purpose of a believer is to worship God and acquire His pleasure and subsequently all of his goals in life should be directed towards that.

    "The time I kill is killing me." – Mason Cooley
    You may have heard the term ‘time management’ before and dismissed it as being one of the many newly concocted phrases of the self-help industry. However, it refers to using the time one has in the most effective manner and although not always labeled as that, this single trait has often been cited by many as one of the key success factors of all productive human beings, alive or dead, be it in the material or spiritual sense. Time is life and once lost can never be retrieved. The value of time is something never underestimated by people who live to make a difference and has always been the common denominator of those who left a legacy behind them. The historian and exegete, Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, who authored more than 350,000 pages of scholarly works is often remembered for his incredible use of time.
    Sometimes you will hear someone say ‘I do X to kill time’ as if having spare time is an annoying hindrance. At the other end of the spectrum are individuals who are constantly complaining ‘I don’t have enough time’. And the last type are the ones I envy: nearly always doing something productive, never complaining about the excess availability of time or lack thereof and they carry themselves with a certain aura of serenity, always maximizing their usage of time and realizing that every minute gone by is not going to return. The Prophet Muhammad said: ‘there are two blessings which many people do not make the most of and thus lose out: good health and free time.’
    Time management is redundant if you are living your life doing whatever comes across your path, wandering aimlessly from one day to the next, not really knowing what direction you’re heading in. Having clearly defined goals in life is vital to living a healthy well-balanced life. Being unsure of where you are going can cause anxiety and a sense of dissatisfaction with life. In the Islamic tradition, the purpose of a believer is to worship God and acquire His pleasure and subsequently all of his goals in life should be directed towards that.
    Once you have your goals in life clearly defined with scheduled action plans, the second step, prioritising will become easier. Trying to fit in a multitude of tasks in the limited time available can become a challenge when you haven’t decided what tasks should come first.
    The third step is to mentally and physically get rid of the stumbling blocks in your life which allow you to be unproductive or procrastinate. Coming across a task you don’t want to complete, have you ever found yourself discovering new things to do which weren’t important two minutes ago? If you have, you are a ‘structured procrastinator’. You make yourself believe that you are being productive and not lazy, but what you’re really doing is putting off critical tasks.
    At other times, you may make excuses like ‘I just don’t have the willpower’ as if willpower is like eye colour; something you were born with. Willpower is a personal trait which can either be developed or ignored. Accordingly, time management will hone your personal qualities, such as patience, determination, self-discipline, which are at the heart of tazkiyah, or purification of the self.
    And the final step is to wake up early. The Prophet Muhammad informed us that the early hours of the day are blessed. Along with taking other steps to increase the blessings in your life, bid farewell to the cozy duvet early in the morning and say to yourself: “Here I come. I have a purpose in life to fulfill, goals to achieve and no time to waste.”






    Notes:Somayya Patel writes on behalf of the 1st Ethical Charitable Trust, which encourages British Muslims to express their faith in ways which benefit wider society, thereby fostering improved social and religious cohesion. For more information, please visit www.1stethical.com
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    i dont see anything wrong with female docs practicing on female patients. i think no scholar has condemned that, to my knowledge.

    as for the article written by "british muslimah" i dont take these nationality based muslim reverts seriously. i wont be wrong to guess that 90% of them leave islam by the 5th year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    As long as you don;t start hating men... lol.

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    lol thanks for telling me. Thank for posting info about the Muslim scientist btw.

    And thanks to Bluebell for posting that interesting article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet106 View Post
    I suggest you read topics about judges and soldiers.
    Salaam,

    Some scholars support female Muslim judges.

    In fact, now I am starting to see people telling sisters don't work as midwife because of the potential of working with male doctors. A girl I know quit her midwifery course because of it. Her father who is knowledgeable was upset that someone told her to quit. I can't with idiotic Muslim community! I just can't.
    I don't have a problem with Muslim women working in general but I want to marry a Muslim women that does not want to work. I need someone who can maintain the house and help me out with my work (if she wants), like bookkeeping, drafting wills and general administrative work. Helping me out with my work would be very helpful but that's her choice.

    I'm not sure why so many Muslim women are eager to work now. Are they trying to prove something? Is it that they really enjoy working? Or is sitting at home and doing all the washing/cooking/cleaning boring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos View Post
    i dont see anything wrong with female docs practicing on female patients. i think no scholar has condemned that, to my knowledge.

    as for the article written by "british muslimah" i dont take these nationality based muslim reverts seriously. i wont be wrong to guess that 90% of them leave islam by the 5th year.
    Are you going to limit yourself to male patients?
    be that as it may I am curious to where you got the 90% statistic akhi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos View Post
    Salaam,

    Some scholars support female Muslim judges.



    I don't have a problem with Muslim women working in general but I want to marry a Muslim women that does not want to work. I need someone who can maintain the house and help me out with my work (if she wants), like bookkeeping, drafting wills and general administrative work. Helping me out with my work would be very helpful but that's her choice.

    I'm not sure why so many Muslim women are eager to work now. Are they trying to prove something? Is it that they really enjoy working? Or is sitting at home and doing all the washing/cooking/cleaning boring?

    That is perception every Muslim communities in Britain has! YET you need to look at the figures, we are 3% of population, yet Muslim women are far less significant in the workplace compared to other minorities.
    Therefore, there are PLENTY of Muslim women that don’t want to work and don’t work.
    What are becoming more prevalent people actively cursing the ones that do work whatever their circumstance may be?
    Trust me, there are sisters that want to be wives and mothers that is it. I don’t see anything wrong with that. I just don't like it when people go around and restrict other people's opportunities.
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    Are you going to limit yourself to male patients?
    be that as it may I am curious to where you got the 90% statistic akhi?

    its just my guess, no concrete evidence. seen it quite a bit on net. again, not representative, but iERA had mentioned something in its pamphlets too.

    in an ideal world, yea id love to restrict myself to male patients. I have no interest in doing pap smears or breast exams or delivering babies. and i am willing to help in creating this "ideal world."
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos View Post
    I have no interest in doing pap smears or breast exams.
    No one wants to spend their life between people's private parts I assure you.. Even if theoretically interesting to some pervs. Once push comes to shove they want out.. Just a matter of buttering your bread while providing a service to your community.
    Not everyone has the luxury to choose.. Any type of residency at all in fact in spite of all the hard work..

    anyhow, I believe the stat is 90% inflated also considering that women convert to Islam at a rate of 5-1.. I don't think there are enough Muslim men to take credit for that and I'd go far to say they should only take credit for those who have a misunderstanding of how Islam really is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet106 View Post
    That is perception every Muslim communities in Britain has! YET you need to look at the figures, we are 3% of religious communities, yet Muslim women are far less significant in the workplace compared to other minorities!
    Therefore, there are PLENTY of Muslim women that don’t want to work and don’t work!
    What are becoming more prevalent people actively cursing the ones that do work whatever their circumstance may be?
    Trust me, there are sisters that want to be wives and mothers that is it. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
    Salaam,

    What perception?

    I don't personally curse Muslim women that work. Good for them. I know a Muslim girl that wants to become an accountant and I support her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos View Post
    Salaam,

    What perception?

    I don't personally curse Muslim women that work. Good for them. I know a Muslim girl that wants to become an accountant and I support her.
    Listen I didn't say YOU personally curse them. why do you always misunderstand me?

    that is the perception most brothers I've spoken to have about Muslim women, most want to work. You are not first I came across that said this.
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