This world is pointless!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos

It's ridiculous, considering that these people we try to please (peers, employers, parents), can never be truly satisfied. They will want more and make one mistake, most would completely turn against you. Why not use all that energy to please Allah?

Great post and good points made.

Just wanted to say that part of pleasing Allah and one of the biggest sources of reward from Allah, is pleasing the parents (as much as we are Islamically able). Even if they are not satisfied, we still have to do it to please Allah. So it wouldn't be a case of using that energy instead to please Allah because pleasing parents is one of the sources of pleasing Allah, if that makes sense.

Wa Alaaykum As'Salaam wa Rahmatullaah wa Barahkaatuh,

Jazakallaahu Khaayr for the reminder.

Unfortunately we get caught up with dunya and for some it can be hard to let go of, sadly.

It is the deen of Allaah that has kept us steadfast, in other words on our heels. Or else we are but failures in dunya and akhirah.

"Those who believed (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism), and whose hearts find rest in the remembrance of Allah: verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest ."[Al Qur'aan 13:28]

format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah

Great post and good points made.

Just wanted to say that part of pleasing Allah and one of the biggest sources of reward from Allah, is pleasing the parents (as much as we are Islamically able). Even if they are not satisfied, we still have to do it to please Allah. So it wouldn't be a case of using that energy instead to please Allah because pleasing parents is one of the sources of pleasing Allah, if that makes sense.

It does make sense. I do try to see it from a different perspective. Pleasing Allah can please parents as well. I remember a convert to Islam said that practicing Islam had made her parents feel relaxed now that she does not drink and get drunk. From practicing Islam, she is more respectful and does not use foul language. Small lifestyle changes like that pleased Allah and her parents.

*APPLAUDS*

You are speaking the truth. But pleasing the parents is the command from Allah, or we have to be nice to them even if they arent pleased.

Anyway, I agree with you. In some point in your life you get TIRED of trying to please other people, you will end up hurting yourself. What I did is I just stoped caring about what other people think or whatever. I am only concerned about me, my family, close muslims friends, Islam and my personal development. To care about people is just too much burden for me. But just because I am concerned with my business doesnt mean I cant be a humble and a good person. And I am not as selfish I may sound.

And my main focus is in the herafter. I just wish I could afford to move from here to an Islamic country, learn so much about my religion and practice it. I would feel less guilty.

What you have said is true. But is it practical in 21st century?

Can we succeed in whatever we are pursuing in dunya without worrying about it? Can we top exams if we did not worry about our success or high marks? Could we get our dream job/career if we did not "worry" about working hard towards it? No.

Human psychology is just like that of animals. You see people around you trying to attain what you want to attain, you will inevitably and by default become worried and start focussing on it and working towards it. Be it a certain career or degree that you want, or be it a certain woman you are interested in marrying, the moment you see other brothers approaching her, you'd pump up your game and get 'trapped' in goals of dunya.

It's the way Allah created life and being worried is part of human nature. Even Saahaba got worried. I dont remember his name but he was sitting in masjid late, Prophet pbuh asked him why is he doing so. He replied "my sorrow and debt has overcome me." So this is a condition of a sahaabi, who had Prophet right in front of his eyes, who saw miracles in front of his eyes and yet he was down that day. What about us 1500 years later when from birth the food we eat has certain riba in it.

format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos

What you have said is true. But is it practical in 21st century?

Can we succeed in whatever we are pursuing in dunya without worrying about it? Can we top exams if we did not worry about our success or high marks? Could we get our dream job/career if we did not "worry" about working hard towards it? No.

Salaam,

format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos

I'm not advocating for people to simply give up on their jobs and studies. Just saying that people should not worry too much about this world, because this will not last forever. Worry about what will happen after you die.

I did not say people should not worry. Just do not put so much effort into something that distracts our attention from practicing Islam.

Human psychology is just like that of animals. You see people around you trying to attain what you want to attain, you will inevitably and by default become worried and start focussing on it and working towards it. Be it a certain career or degree that you want, or be it a certain woman you are interested in marrying, the moment you see other brothers approaching her, you'd pump up your game and get 'trapped' in goals of dunya.

Not everyone is like that. Well I'm not anymore. I'll accept whatever happens for the best. I could not become a Solicitor, but now working towards becoming an Chartered Accountant. It is not easy and I worry at times, but I try not to let it get in the way of practicing Islam. I don't spend hours and hours worrying about my looks and career prospects.

It's the way Allah created life and being worried is part of human nature. Even Saahaba got worried. I dont remember his name but he was sitting in masjid late, Prophet pbuh asked him why is he doing so. He replied "my sorrow and debt has overcome me." So this is a condition of a sahaabi, who had Prophet right in front of his eyes, who saw miracles in front of his eyes and yet he was down that day. What about us 1500 years later when from birth the food we eat has certain riba in it.

In a nutshell, I'm stating that we should not worry too much about pursing materialistic goals in this world to the extent where we are more fearful of pleasing our parents/employers/peer than compared to Allah. I'm aware it is not easy.

format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos

Most of us spend hours worrying about our exams, future, looks, money, jobs and so on. What's the point? Once we die, we will leave everything behind, except for our good deeds and bad deeds. Why do some Muslims try to please other human beings so much?

well this is wht i've been thinking for a long long tyme in ur so rite abt everything...

format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106

Its like worrying about the very very very small chance of going blind and deaf. Isn't it?

who said it is a very small chance?

1/15000 people from general population get their retinas detached, 90% of detachments are treatable, but 10% are not and they go blind.

The rate of detachment is WAY higher in myopes and near-sighted people. From where did you get this notion of "very very very" small chance of going blind?

You might go to sleep with perfect vision and wake up with a permanently blind eye due to central retinal artery occlusion (CRAO). It happens. To you it might seem to be a "very very very" low chance, but the person to whom it happened, it was 100% chance.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...overview#a0199

I have to do facepalm when non-medical people start talking about health issues as if they know the facts.

Ontopic...


there is a purpose why we are here on earth, and a purpose why Allah has created this earth. It is not pointless.

I guess I'm done here.

Scimi

if this dunya is pointless then why did Allah create us in it?

Exactly, if anything - this thread is pointless.

Except for this part:

format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos

Got your attention. I want to share something.

Most of us spend hours worrying about our exams, future, looks, money, jobs and so on. What's the point? Once we die, we will leave everything behind, except for our good deeds and bad deeds. Why do some Muslims try to please other human beings so much?

It's ridiculous, considering that these people we try to please (peers, employers, parents), can never be truly satisfied. They will want more and make one mistake, most would completely turn against you. Why not use all that energy to please Allah? Allah does not care about our qualifications, status, looks and money. Not only the reward for pleasing Allah is eternal, but Allah has set down simple rules that are beneficial to us.

All this pressure from exams, job and society makes us tired and fed up. The simple rules set down by Allah actually help us. It would be better to put all of our efforts into pleasing Allah.

I'm not advocating for people to simply give up on their jobs and studies. Just saying that people should not worry too much about this world, because this will not last forever. Worry about what will happen after you die.

Your class, qualifications, looks, money and connections will not help you when your judged after you die. Like I said before, all you will take is your good deeds and bad deeds. You only have ONE chance to pass this test set down by Allah.

So to conclude, put all your effort in pleasing Allah.

The rest was just a bit ??? Apart from CosmicPathos' post which I agree with. People with no medical knowedge should cease to make brash statements with little or no understanding of what they are talking about.

Scimi

tragic, I however understand why you said it is pointless? have you been hurt recently? Have some of your goals you've not been able to achieve? You can PM me, and we can talk about it.

I also think this dunya is useless and pathetic and why did I get born, when I am feeling low and dejected. But this dunya is all we have to prove our worth in Hereafter. For Kaafirs, this dunya is all they have, so they make the best of it. That is one reason why kaafirs are progressing by leaps and bounds, because they take dunya seriously, they dont believe in afterlife. We as Muslims should do both, take dunya seriously, and then take afterlife seriously.

yes, I'd like to add that I think we should concentrate on deen matters when dealing with dunya matters, ie: do things the halaal way.

balance... middle path.

Scimi

we are the middle nation. Prophet participated in dunya, enjoyed the emotions of dunya, he smiled, cried, laughed, got hurt, enjoyed etc. He did not reject dunya. He just treaded it cautiously and did not become attached to it.

Is this thread coming back on topic now barring this post ofcourse (facepalm)