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    Question What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

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    As Salamu Alaykummy question is what does the word/term Contemporary mean ? What is the meaning of Contemporary ? Also what is the meaning of the term Contemporary Islam or Contemporary any Religion or Ideology ? Im asking because I want to know if the below quote is Anti Islam or not thank you ?


    Steven Emerson's Crusade

    Why is a journalist pushing questionable stories from behind the scenes?

    By John F. Sugg


    "Arabaphobia"


    Although he piously prefaces diatribes by saying there are good Muslims and bad Muslims, it's a hollow defense. He claimed, in a March 1995 article in Jewish Monthly, that Islam "sanctions genocide, planned genocide, as part of its religious doctrine."


    SIDEBAR:

    Emerson on Islam

    "The level of vitriol against Jews and Christianity within contemporary Islam, unfortunately, is something that we are not totally cognizant of, or that we don't want to accept. We don't want to accept it because to do so would be to acknowledge that one of the world's great religions -- which has more than 1.4 billion adherents -- somehow sanctions genocide, planned genocide, as part of its religious doctrine." --Steven Emerson, Jewish Monthly (3/95)

    John F. Sugg is senior editor of the Weekly Planet, the alternative newspaper in the Tampa Bay area. He regularly writes media criticism, including articles on Steven Emerson and the Tampa Tribune's coverage of Muslims. Sugg has received three threatening letters from Emerson's lawyer seeking--unsuccessfully--to deter further reporting.

    See also "Extra!'s Report on Steven Emerson: Setting the Record Straight"



    http://fair.org/extra-online-article...rsons-crusade/

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Wa'alaikumsalam

    Contemporary meaning is not bound by time, and is applicable from time to time. Unlike the temporary which is only valid for a certain period.

    Is there contemporary Islam?. Islam itself is contemporary because it is applicable until the end of time, not just for the time of Rasulullah (saw).

    About planning genocide as religious doctrine. I've been living as Muslim and among Muslims for 46 years, and I never heard doctrine like this

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Origin:

    mid 17th century: from medieval Latin contemporarius, from con- 'together with' + tempus, tempor- 'time' (on the pattern of Latin contemporaneus and late Latin contemporalis)

    Just to be sure I looked it up.

    It is hard to explain it clearly, but it has to do with a period of time. Usually it means the current era. In general use 'contemporary' means belonging to or occurring in the present, but can be used to refer to another era like 'this series of paintings is contemporary with other works in an early style.' (quote)

    Hope you understand..

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Contemporary=Modern.

    If you're referring to Steven Emerson's quote, then I would have to say no. It's a little ignorant if not a mass generalization but it isn't anti-Islam. He's simply saying that in Modern Islam there is a large sentiment against Jews and Christians which they reject because Islam doesn't condone genocide.

    The reason I would say it's ignorant is because only a minority cause such problems.

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    "sanctions genocide, planned genocide, as part of its religious doctrine."

    "We don't want to accept it because to do so would be to acknowledge that one of the world's great religions -- which has more than 1.4 billion adherents -- somehow sanctions genocide, planned genocide, as part of its religious doctrine."

    You've taken the top out of context. He's defending traditional Islam if anything.

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    Question Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    There are, to be sure, many variants of Islam—just as there are variants of Judaism and Christianity. And, like radical Jewish fundamentalism, Islamic fundamentalism represents a minority wing that would impose religious doctrine from an earlier historical era. Yet, unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam has yet to undergo a reformation or enlightenment—and that allows some clerics to claim religious justification for violence.

    http://www.steveemerson.com/4261/unholy-war

    Terrorists Among Us: Jihad in America(Part 5 of 6)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=489dOgfH1SM


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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    By the way I do not hate or even dislike Mr Emerson I don't believe hes a bad guy.
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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Thank You to all for replying.
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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.”
    [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]



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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Emerson made this film.

    In his acclaimed documentary Jihad in America, Emerson even asserted that “although the militants may claim to speak on behalf of all Muslims, Islam as a religion does not condone violence. The radicals represent only themselves – an extremist and violent fringe.”

    Even though the mountain of evidence he had when he made the film in 1994 revealed the extent of the massive clandestine infrastructure of militant Islamic groups in the United States, Emerson repeatedly affirmed in his narration and in on-camera interviews that militant Islam did not represent the vast majority of Muslims.

    Conveniently, MPAC omits the fact that the documentary won the “Best Investigative Reporting Award in Print, Broadcast, or Book” from Investigative Reporters and Editors (IRE), an organization dedicated to fostering journalistic excellence.


    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/read...spx?ARTID=9954
    Terrorists Among Us: Jihad in America(Part 4 of 6)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPdPCtjN9w8

    Terrorists Among Us: Jihad in America(Part 5 of 6)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=489dOgfH1SM

    Terrorists Among Us: Jihad in America(Part 6 of 6)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSex7iDgoWk

    ``There are fanatics in every religion and as long as they do not carry their fanaticism to a terrorist act, there is nothing wrong in their beliefs,'' says Seif Ashmawy, the Egyptian-American publisher of the Voice of Peace, a monthly publication on Muslim issues. ``But there is a very small minority that wish to impose their ideas by force. Those are the people we should worry about.''

    http://rense.com/political/USIslamicterror.htm

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    There are, to be sure, many variants of Islam—just as there are variants of Judaism and Christianity. And, like radical Jewish fundamentalism, Islamic fundamentalism represents a minority wing that would impose religious doctrine from an earlier historical era. Yet, unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam has yet to undergo a reformation or enlightenment—and that allows some clerics to claim religious justification for violence.

    http://www.steveemerson.com/4261/unholy-war

    Terrorists Among Us: Jihad in America(Part 5 of 6)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=489dOgfH1SM

    What do you mean by " Islam has yet to undergo a reformation or enlightenment—and that allows some clerics to claim religious justification for violence".
    Do you want Islam to become mainstream secularism?

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    NO Of Course Not Never.

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    I think I stated that I do not agree with everything Emerson says for example Emerson rejects the ide of blow back that Terrorism can be caused by Western Foreign Policy also Emerson would say that any talk of Jewish/Zionist Influence in the Media/Politics/Economics as Anti Semitism or Anti Jewish Hate he seems to think any Criticism of Jews/Judaism/Israel is Anti Jewish also Emerson is not a Muslim never has been and has no desire to become or Convert to Islam but I heard Muslims can invited him anyway my point is I don't feel the need to agree with everything any person says to respect a few things they say or do see my point ? Emerson is a member of the Media hes not going to accept Criticism of Jews or Israel as valid see my point ? I beieve some people link Terrorism with Sharia they think Sharia allows or supports Terrorist acts so I can understand why Non Muslims may not want to live under Sharia but as Muslims this is what we believe in we should not deny it I don't deny Stoning is a part of Islam I just believe there would be less Stoning under Sharia because very few would commit Crime in the first place I do believe a Caliphate is best to live under and Sharia I believe converting to Islam I must accept that because I don't believe there is any such thing as a Secular or Western Secular Muslim I know people believe diffrent things but we don't believe in Western Secularism nor do we want it we reject Communism Capitalism and Secularism if I wanted a Secular Religion I would of remained a Christian don't you think ? I like Islam because it can help Society as a whole if we rule by it. May Allah guide Emerson to Islam I have Emailed him before.

    Quran says

    Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah , and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.

    http://quran.com/5/44


    Gadahn invites Emerson and the others to Islam:
    If the Zionist crusader missionaries of hate and counter-Islam consultants like Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, Michael Scheuer, Steven Emerson, and yes, even the crusader-in-chief, George W. Bush were to abandon their unbelief and repent and enter into the light of Islam and turn their swords against the enemies of God, it would be accepted of them and they would be our brothers of Islam.[78]

    http://www.steveemerson.com/6815/ste...-radical-islam

    STEVEN EMERSON: Yes. Adam Gadahn issued a video naming me and three other Americans, demanding that I convert or suffer the consequences, and basically, I said, "Make my day."


    http://www.investigativeproject.org/...m-gadahn-video

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Please read my words in Context thank you.

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Please reply.

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    Please reply.
    Sorry my mistake. But Emerson sounds like a bad guy to me.
    Islam is a religion and Muslims are individuals. Emerson seems to be trying to put them into pigeon holes and trying to divide them.

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Emerson defends Islam here Im just trying to be fair to his point of view.

    STEVEN EMERSON: Although the militants may claim to speak on behalf of all Muslims, Islam as a religion does not condone violence. The radicals represent only themselves -- an extremist and a violent fringe.

    http://hamburgsteak.sandwich.net/mir...transcript.txt


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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    Emerson defends Islam here Im just trying to be fair to his point of view.

    STEVEN EMERSON: Although the militants may claim to speak on behalf of all Muslims, Islam as a religion does not condone violence. The radicals represent only themselves -- an extremist and a violent fringe.

    http://hamburgsteak.sandwich.net/mir...transcript.txt

    Islam is not a pacifist religion. It urges peace but when confronted with evil, condones violence. For example if a brigand breaks into your home to rob and kill you and your family, you have the right to use violence against this threat, lethal if necessary. If a legion of brigands invade your nation, you have the same right to violence.
    See how Emerson is trying to divide Muslims with labels. The ones that crawl on their bellies to the brigands he would call moderate Muslims the ones that fight back he would label militant, radical and extremist Muslims. This is a very old system of conquest called "Divide and Conquer" used very effectively by the British Empire and now being used by the Americans as "Win the Hearts and Minds". The tactic is to praise (give aid etc) to some of your enemy and pit them against some others of your enemy so they will fight and kill each other off. Then when they are weak crush them both and rule supreme. Remember Jihad is one of the five pillars so don't be fooled by lying Zionists. Also pagan means civilian, Christians and Muslims are soldiers of God. Muslims and Christians have had a troubled past but when they become united the Zionists will fall.
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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Remember Jihad is one of the five pillars
    While I agree with most of your sentiments above, I'm not sure of the statement above. Technically, as far as I am 'in the know', jihad should be a 'state of being' meaning your strife (internally or externally) for improvements in the cause of Allah, not exactly a pillar, so to speak.

    If, (and it is only an "if") I were to be cavalier and say that there is another pillar that could be considered to the 5, personally I would add "da'wah" to the list as this was a predominant role of the prophet (saws) which is by and large skipped by most of the muslim population. Besides, I read somewhere that people you know will look for you in the hereafter and question (if not blame you) why you never invited them to the truth when you mingled with them in this life (not sure of the authenticity of this, though).

    Peace

    (p.s. just noticed that I am off topic)
    Last edited by greenhill; 12-13-2013 at 01:43 AM. Reason: Note added

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    Re: What does the word/term Contemporary mean ?

    Quote Originally Posted by greenhill View Post


    While I agree with most of your sentiments above, I'm not sure of the statement above. Technically, as far as I am 'in the know', jihad should be a 'state of being' meaning your strife (internally or externally) for improvements in the cause of Allah, not exactly a pillar, so to speak.

    If, (and it is only an "if") I were to be cavalier and say that there is another pillar that could be considered to the 5, personally I would add "da'wah" to the list as this was a predominant role of the prophet (saws) which is by and large skipped by most of the muslim population. Besides, I read somewhere that people you know will look for you in the hereafter and question (if not blame you) why you never invited them to the truth when you mingled with them in this life (not sure of the authenticity of this, though).

    Peace

    (p.s. just noticed that I am off topic)
    Sorry my mistake it is not one of the five pillars. But one in the Shia apart from the five.
    As my ancestors worshipped the Hammer gods, I thought Jihad would be more prominent in the religion of Islam.


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