Have you ever been in Bosnia?

Plus my grandmother prayed even when here muslim was in the communist party. Total freedom brother

Even when her husband was*

I'd like to know the financial status of his relatives, because middle or upper class people are usually the ones that defend those thesis. Thesis that that are wrong, but are only used by wealthy people to argue, altho it's not even an argument.

"First of all before the war there was no practice of Islam at all in Bosnia. The only Islam that existed was in some villages where some people held on to some sufi traditions. Overall? People didn't pray, people didn't fast, women didn't wear hijab, a man having a beard was non-existent, masajid were places for tourists, not even open for daily prayers."


Ofcourse, thanks to Allah s.w.t there was practice, that's the reason we are muslim now. It's not true that masjid were places for tourists, how can you say a lie like that? That's a complete lie since our grandparents and parents had religious classes in masjid and imams were not banned for doing so. Again this is totally true, you can ask anybody a bit older in Bosnia. It was just private, not a subject in school.

"When the mujahedin came from the Arab world, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc... they brought both the practice and knowledge of Islam. My uncle was the first to embrace Islam in our family and it was seeing how they were in behavior and belief that made him change himself and become a Muslim. Mind you he was an atheist before Islam. A product of Yugoslavia's socialism and nationalism."

Product of Yugoslav socialism and patriotism was not lack of religion, rather it encouraged people to work and build their own community and country, unlike now when we are totally dependet on others. Mujahideen did nothing but crimes on the innocents, and they didn't even help at all, we all known this since our fathers were in war. And how can you know better then a man whos father was an Army general or so?

"My grandfather came from a Muslim family but since he was orphaned during world war 2 he had to work from 12 and got married young. He had the whole family on his back. Furthermore under socialist communism of Tito religious groups were banned and individuals imprisoned, there was no such thing as religious freedom. Celebrating Christmas, going to church sure! Everyone was 'united' under Slavic nationalism, Serbs drank sljivovica with Bosnian Muslims no problem!"

Everybody had right to celebrate everything, Eid, Christmans, it didn't mater, there was full religious freedom for every nationality and religion out there. Since my grand- grandmothers husband was in the communist party, nobody forced here to lose her religious beliefes or stop believing, that's an apsurd. Religious freedom was not even a question in Yugoslavia, and that's the reason I'm muslim now, ofcourse.

"Bratstvo i jedinstvo" -- Brotherhood and unity! That was the slavic nationalist slogan of Tito's Yugoslavia. People were united upon being SLAVS and to this day some of those who are 'proud of Tito' talk about how 'great' yugoslavia was, but they are not practicing Muslims. They're mostly secularists and atheists."

Brootherhood and unity of your own people, ofcourse, we will always think like that. A slav is my true brother, and only we can help each other, not a Pakistani or Arab that came for his own interest (ex. business). He was great beacuse he united us with no interest, he was a poor man that in his tough childhood he didn't have no food to eat, he knew how it was for the working class. He always encouraged us to love and support each other, not paying atention on our religious beliefs. Unlike Pakistanis that came here and preached, but didn't nothing for our people except building Mosques. Tito was trully a great man that did what he promised and preached, comrade.


"Tito imprisoned and tortured anyone who was of religious significance or voice, my grandfather's Kosovar Albanian family was divided as a result of the orphan situation and of this communist slavic phenomena. One of my grandfather's brothers was tortured and imprisoned. Alija Izetbegovic who was a part of the "Muslim Youth" movement was also imprisoned and was a political and religious prisoner under Tito. He led the fight against the Serbs alongside the mujahedin."

Tito didn't torture anyone, especially not anybody with religious significance, there are various pictures with tito and religious patriarhs and imams together. There was an Imam in Yugoslavia, and he reported that Tito converted to Islam before his death, they found the Quran on his bed in hospital in Slovenia. He always showed his symphaty for the religion of Islam and said how "pure it was". On one occasion he asked students : "Who does speak arabic here", one student raised his hand and said "I , Tito", Tito then replied and said: " My children, learn the language of Arabic, because that's the language of future". So what torture are we talking about? Vice president came to my grandmothers birth, they were are muslims and all practicing. Tito only imprisoned those "muslims" and "believers" that wanted to divide the country under the excuse of religion. Not only muslims, but also goes for the orthodox "religious" propaganda that sparked war after his death. So who was right? Him for imprisoning? Or them for starting the war after his death? We all saw what happened after he died, nationalism sparked and horrible war and genocide happened. Same people that did that were imprisoned in his time because of their sick ideology and beliefes, again, same "beliefs" of "muslims" and "orhodox" that later ruined the country. That's not Islam, that's something horrible and capitalistic.

"The propaganda you're talking about 'innocent serbian civillians' comes from Cetnik propaganda. Let me not even get into that. You're just brainwashed by ethnocentricism and Serbian lies who have the AUDACITY to even open their mouths, Ceric's BS (the 'grand mufti of bosnia') and nationalists and munafiqs who are nothing but sell outs when it comes to deen ul islam."

I'm a Bosniak and a muslim, and this has nothing to do with the Serbian sides, you can search "Bosnian war crimes" and see pictures and evidence for yourself, that were done by the same mujahideen that claimed to be "muslims"

"And fear Allah, the only ones who made a 'profit' were war profiteering Bosnians and criminals who drive around in porsches and other expensive cars now through crime. The Arabs and Pakistanis are business people and guess what they established BUSINESSES not GANGS like Bosnian criminals. So all you have is envy and your nationalism that's making you like this. Shame on you."

We have envy? That's a terrible thing to say. I don't envy on anyones wealth and money. It's just that those same Pakistanis made fortune on poor Bosnia. And they cut down our forests just tu build luxury buildings for them and their children? Where's halal in that? hah I'm not nationalist, I condemn that, my beliefs and political orientation is socialist, so how can I be both at the same time? Wrong judgement , comrade.

"And shiism? Iran and Bosnia have a strong relation now. They are doing their utmost to have 'exchange' programs for students to bring them to Iran and vice versa. My cousin is a Bosnian diplomat and has worked in the Iranian embassy for Bosnia. They are giving da'wahto Bosnians to become shias."

Total lie, nobody preaches anything to us, this is funny bruh, I live here and that doesn't happen.

Oh and I remember the last time I was in Bosnia everyone complained about having NO JOBS and whining about Arabs and Pakistanis opening Masajid too. "we don't need masajid we need jobs". To this day it's the same story always everyone complaining about there being 'nothing'.

So tell me then, how is it some people INVESTED their money and used their minds to MAKE for themselves something to establish themselves that bothers you so much? Mind you many of them DIDN'T come with money! Meanwhile you spit dirt on them, while you just complained about 'no jobs' and complain about how the government is not giving you anything and how the government is corrupt (typical attitude of everyone there). You don't necessarily NEED money to START something. If there is NOTHING after war, that means there's lots of opportunity to establish business, open business, things that are needed, services that are needed, things that didn't exist before that you can work on and bring in. BUT the typical attitude of sitting and doing nothing over there is prominent. I can come up with some jokes o crno gorcu, ali malo te sale izgleda bolje prema bosancu koji samo guzicu zna da sjedi i govori kako nema nista a neradi nista.

Wallahi I'd have to curse now to express my feelings on this statement you said. What do you know about our economy and our jobs? It's not about money at all, it's about not even having a chance to work, to survive and to eat. There are 200.000 children living in Poverty now in Bosnia, and the totall population is only 3.8 million, can you imagine? If I want to get a job now, and I finish the university, I simply can't get it , don't you understand that comrade? I can't get it, and not any normal worker can get it because he's not in the rulling class family. And those that work, work for minimum wage at the same people, Arabs, and Pakistanis that exploit them for their goods, and goods of their own country. There is no opportunity for us, you just don't know anything. Sitting and doing nothing? Our fathers are out there, begging and looking for jobs, and you come here and make that statement while you are in your rich apartment in the west, because you escaped war? Hahahah. But go ahead,

I ain't mad at cha.

You just keep repeating yourself comrade, with no proof or evidence. Everybody had right to practice- only it's the thing of a man will he practice or not. That has nothing to do with the country, it's your own choice. Everything I said is backed up by evidence, and everybody had the Quran, ofcourse, I have no idea where you got that thing. On that list there are 2 muslims, Bosnian and Albanian.

Ofcourse we do not need masjid from Arabs, we already have too many of them, that's the only thing they build for washing money, heh. We go out everyday searching for jobs, and 500.000 is employed under gray economy with no insurance, or whatsover. That's just survivale. But what do you know diaspora boy?

Dzemal Bijedic, a Bosniak, From July 1971 until his death in 1977, he was the Prime Minister of the SFRY government.

Hehe, facts, won't even discuss this more. Enjoy your life in diaspora, true soldiers that fought for Bosnia have nothing now, but you do have everything, and you give yourself the right to talk about us from there. Sad sad, but go ahead daddys boy.

I ain't mad at cha.

Yeah, wonder when will Arabs let us marry their women, but they can marry ours. Leave Bosnia alone, all of you middle eastern muslims, that pretend brotherhood and and loyalty.

Only muslims that truly respect us are Turks, not a single one of you more.

Izetbegovic was trash, his plans were obvious, wanted to make Bosnia Arab, but that will never work, his trashy politics are responsible for the countries status now, sadly, goodbye.

I'm in denial, ofcourse, because you are rich, and rich people tend to say things you did now. Normal people don't, heh.

Bosnia was never and never will be Islamic. Bosnia was always home for more than 6 religions and nationalities.

And soon as you realize that, you'll be smart. You have a typical foreign muslim opinion. We don't want arabs, pakistans, nor an Islamic Bosnia.

As I said, Bosnia was and always will be home for 6 religions and nationalities. This is where I stop. gl

Yeah, they helped me, that's why they drive benz now while we are stuck in Golf II, ahhaghahahhahahh