Have you ever been in Bosnia?

^^ This seems to be common way to think in many countries. In my country people dislike rich Russians whose come here and buy land or buy houses from here. As tourists they are welcome of course, when they buy things and leave their money for us. The human nature is same in everywhere.

Guess you had no troubles before the neighbours moved in right?

I learnt to say please and thankyou, still wierded out when ghetto kids say the same back.

Guess iv gone soft.

What place have you for the soft?

First of all, many Arabs and Pakistanis have settled after the war after fighting for and helping Bosnia. But most are disrespected by munafiq people who spread lies about them.

There are even Chinese, they own all the small conveniences, THIS was a big shock for me!

Secondly, the Arabs that have invested their money in rebuilding and building in Bosnia, built market places, malls, etc... yes they are rich, they are business people, but they invested their money in building something for and in the country. On the other hand the average Bosnian person may be unemployed, complaining and only whining. The government is corrupt and complete garbage. There is so much corruption. It has nothing to do with these Arabs. I still have family there and this is the reality.

I haven't been there in nine years, but I've seen all the new places that were built by Arabs, and my uncle who is now there tells me and has shown much more. My parents have been there two years ago too and have told me about the newer places.

However the BIGGEST change I witnessed myself was seeing practicing Muslims out in the open, for the first time in this country; bearded brothers, hijabis, niqabis. The deen increased. However at the same time so much kufr has increased too, drugs, clubs (which always existed but now even more), prostitution (just step out of Sarajevo they're all there), increase in gangs/crimes, theft.

The same idiots that used to ridicule religious people are still there. My family while simply walking ended up called "wahabbi" because my mother wore hijab and my father had a beard. Ironically we're converts and these type of guys will boast about being 'proud muslims' while they're having their beer in a cafe outside.

I definetely missed having authentic cevapi

format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.

Fortune cookie time...

No man is an island.

Richard Branson is an island, and he just charges thirty thousand dollars a week to stay on his island, hardly a days pocket money for you

Book holiday through virgin internet on the virgin holidays website, travel to airport on virgin trains, fly virgin airways..

Stay a week in the virgin islands...

Probably.

I can't even imagine how somebody could be that successful.

wa alaikum salam

Rubbish.

First of all before the war there was no practice of Islam at all in Bosnia. The only Islam that existed was in some villages where some people held on to some sufi traditions. Overall? People didn't pray, people didn't fast, women didn't wear hijab, a man having a beard was non-existent, masajid were places for tourists, not even open for daily prayers.

When the mujahedin came from the Arab world, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc... they brought both the practice and knowledge of Islam. My uncle was the first to embrace Islam in our family and it was seeing how they were in behavior and belief that made him change himself and become a Muslim. Mind you he was an atheist before Islam. A product of Yugoslavia's socialism and nationalism.

Was there MUSLIMS everywhere? SURE Muslims were like 60% of the population BUT BY NAME! Even today the same cultural Muslims will boast about how their great grand father was a hajii "oooh moj djedo je bio hadjia" GREAT how about YOU, what are YOU doing? That's the typical attitude of cultural Bosnian Muslims, they're proud of some ancestral past but don't act upon the deen themselves..

My grandfather came from a Muslim family but since he was orphaned during world war 2 he had to work from 12 and got married young. He had the whole family on his back. Furthermore under socialist communism of Tito religious groups were banned and individuals imprisoned, there was no such thing as religious freedom. Celebrating Christmas, going to church sure! Everyone was 'united' under Slavic nationalism, Serbs drank sljivovica with Bosnian Muslims no problem!

"Bratstvo i jedinstvo" -- Brotherhood and unity! That was the slavic nationalist slogan of Tito's Yugoslavia. People were united upon being SLAVS and to this day some of those who are 'proud of Tito' talk about how 'great' yugoslavia was, but they are not practicing Muslims. They're mostly secularists and atheists.

Tito imprisoned and tortured anyone who was of religious significance or voice, my grandfather's Kosovar Albanian family was divided as a result of the orphan situation and of this communist slavic phenomena. One of my grandfather's brothers was tortured and imprisoned. Alija Izetbegovic who was a part of the "Muslim Youth" movement was also imprisoned and was a political and religious prisoner under Tito. He led the fight against the Serbs alongside the mujahedin.

The propaganda you're talking about 'innocent serbian civillians' comes from Cetnik propaganda. Let me not even get into that. You're just brainwashed by ethnocentricism and Serbian lies who have the AUDACITY to even open their mouths, Ceric's BS (the 'grand mufti of bosnia') and nationalists and munafiqs who are nothing but sell outs when it comes to deen ul islam.

They're the same people who spread the non-sense about the mujahedin, who call them "terrorists" (something Serbians picked up on from americans and started to use in justifying themselves in this continued war against Muslims in Bosnia on political grounds), people who scream/yell "Wahabbi" and who talk about "Our Bosnian Islam isn't like 'THEIR' Islam"

And fear Allah, the only ones who made a 'profit' were war profiteering Bosnians and criminals who drive around in porsches and other expensive cars now through crime. The Arabs and Pakistanis are business people and guess what they established BUSINESSES not GANGS like Bosnian criminals. So all you have is envy and your nationalism that's making you like this. Shame on you.

Just because I don't live there now doesn't mean I don't know what's going on anymore or how it was before the war.

Funny, the moment you step outside of Sarajevo never mind the prostitutes, but what are some of the signs you'll see? Srpska federacija? "Pazi mine" (watch out for mines) or the many Cetnik slogans. I took photos last time I was there, my parents took even more two years ago, it's all over the road to if you drive along.

The war was lost, the moment Muslims weakened and gave up on the deen and returned to nationalism.

Oh YES another phenomena that's TOTALLY new to Bosnia is SHIISM! And Jehova's witnesses. Yes even Jehova's witnesses have made their way to Bosnia. My cousin was telling me they came to her door lol.

And shiism? Iran and Bosnia have a strong relation now. They are doing their utmost to have 'exchange' programs for students to bring them to Iran and vice versa. My cousin is a Bosnian diplomat and has worked in the Iranian embassy for Bosnia. They are giving da'wah to Bosnians to become shias.

Oh and I remember the last time I was in Bosnia everyone complained about having NO JOBS and whining about Arabs and Pakistanis opening Masajid too. "we don't need masajid we need jobs". To this day it's the same story always everyone complaining about there being 'nothing'.

So tell me then, how is it some people INVESTED their money and used their minds to MAKE for themselves something to establish themselves that bothers you so much? Mind you many of them DIDN'T come with money! Meanwhile you spit dirt on them, while you just complained about 'no jobs' and complain about how the government is not giving you anything and how the government is corrupt (typical attitude of everyone there). You don't necessarily NEED money to START something. If there is NOTHING after war, that means there's lots of opportunity to establish business, open business, things that are needed, services that are needed, things that didn't exist before that you can work on and bring in. BUT the typical attitude of sitting and doing nothing over there is prominent. I can come up with some jokes o crno gorcu, ali malo te sale izgleda bolje prema bosancu koji samo guzicu zna da sjedi i govori kako nema nista a neradi nista.

So all you have is envy. They established HALAL businesses and Allah reward them with rizq.

The only real war profiteers are the crook gangs and criminals as most bosnians turned to CRIME and made profits. The rest did NOTHING and only complained about there being nothing.

And just for your information not all Arabs somehow 'own oil'. So ignorant. Those mujahedin put their lives at risk and abandoned their home lands to come to HELP YOU in the fight against the Serbs. Meanwhile you spit DIRT on them.

Most of them if they wanted to go back they would have gone back, but they would have been imprisoned and tortured in their home lands. I remember one of the imams of king fahd masjid in Sarajevo, he was Tunisian. He was educated in madina, but he could not return to Tunisia as they would have arrested him and thrown him in prison. So he stayed in Bosnia. Likewise for some brothers who came from Syria. Same story if they went back they would have been imprisoned and tortured. They gave up their home lands and risked their lives!

I only spent two months in the war myself and became a refugee with my mother, my father a year, my uncle the entire war and he fought the entire war. My uncle was shot and injured 3 times during the war and kept fighting.

Both of my grandparents stayed in the war. My grandmother was responsible for distributing food in Ali Pasinovo Polje in Sarajevo. Everyone was suffering. And these people came and turned the war tide around and started winning against the Serbs.

format_quote Originally Posted by Mirza06

Vice president of Yugoslavia was muslim that prayed and practiced, all you said is denied by that

I do not think that you can void and deny so many proofs what brother Ahmed2014 showed with only one argument - which we others don´t even know if it´s true or not. The vice president might has right to practice religion, while all others couldn´t (like brother Ahmed2014 told) but how we know it wasn´t only a publicity stunt to prove to the outside world how free and tolerant for religions the country was.