I'm a new Muslim. looking to talk to Muslims. jn 8:18 (2 not 1) (1 God) I'm from USA

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

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Ty yaay. So did i just pray the correct prayer today?

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I think so, hun; it looks to me like you said the shahada, testimony of faith, correctly. Yay! :)

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

I read about the bath but is that a weekly thing-or do you need to do this at least once in Islam?

::) :) I'm smiling. I think i feel better

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

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Ok so is there a baptism to become a Muslim?

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Well, if you believe that God is One and Muhammad is the final prophet and messenger of God, and Jesus is also one of the prophets and messengers of God, then you're already a Muslim. And it looks like you said the shahada, testimony, correctly.

Well, there is no requirement of baptism per se; however, new Muslims are encouraged to take a bath thereafter and then ask God for guidance and to pray for all Muslims and to also ask God for strength and happiness and peace and anything else your beautiful heart desires, sis. :)

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

If i could read the whole Quran in one day maybe i wouldn't need to ask.

Oh ok. Then I've been Muslim since at least July this year.

Or i correctly understood by August this year at least.

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

My beautiful sis, take your time in reading the Quran; the Quran is a living book in that whatever you read upon, you can and should ideally take your time to reflect and see how you can apply to your life in the best way. There is no need for you to finish the Quran in one day or a week or a month or a year; it will be finished when you're ready and have time to do as you move forward on this journey to God.

Be patient; it doesn't matter if you have questions; InshaAllah (God-willing) we'll be happy to support and encourage you through this journey.

We're all sisters on this journey of learning together, sis! So, no worries! Be happy and smile. :)

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If i could read the whole Quran in one day maybe i wouldn't need to ask.

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:wa: (And peace be upon you)

What do they base the hadiths being true on? Bc the Quran has the #19 to bind it together, plus math plus science etc. I don't understand how people can trust the hadiths like they do the Quran. (I felt that prayer is harmless and also is good etc). But how do u have faith in the hadiths??

Ha. Thx. I have researched and researched the key verses (so the main verses I've seen).

I read Gabriel is the Holy Spirit in Islam. Are Muslims divided over this?

I mean that prayer i prayed was obviously good, so i prayed it. That's what i meant

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

The hadiths are prophetic traditions or sayings of Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him). The Quran in itself can be said to be a big hadith because all of the Quran was memorized as Revelation by the Companions (may God be pleased with them) and they also memorized what Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said and did so that future generations like us from human beings could know how to live out the Quran in the best way.

For example, what if I told you to make chocolate cake the essential ingredient is cocoa powder. You'd know that chocolate cake contains cocoa powder and maybe can guess what other other ingredients we might need as well. But you wouldn't ever be sure. However, if I invited you to observe me making chocolate cake and invited you to do the same as I'm saying to you, you'd better be able to follow along as I gave you specific instructions and showed you how, talking to you about how to preheat the oven, use eggs, 2 cups sugar, and so on and so forth. In that way, you'd have learned easily how to make a chocolate cake.

In the same way, for example, Quran says, "Then And then being among those who believed and advised one another to patience and advised one another to compassion. They are those on the Right Hand (i.e. the dwellers of Paradise)."

However, the question becomes how do we show, for example, that compassion that Quran asks us?

That we will know from Prophet Muhammad :saws: when he gives us advice about what God wants in terms of specific intentions and actions.

We know from hadiths that Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said the following:

"No one believes truly until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself."

"Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to enter paradise should treat other people as they wish to be treated themselves."

"O Muslim women, disdain not doing a kindness to a neighbor, even if it were sending her a lamb’s leg."

So, now you learn three things about how to show compassion, and they're all from hadiths; the three things that you have learned about compassion are that in your heart you must want the best for other people, that must treat other people as they wish to be treated, and that you should share whatever little you have with your neighbors.

Now, as to why we trust the hadiths, the reason is because Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) is the source of hadiths and the hadiths have been transmitted by some specific Companions (may God be pleased with them) whom Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) trusted. And because the Quran (3:31) says, "Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." So, we know that Allah is telling us in the Quran that we should follow hadiths because that is where we'll know how to exactly follow and emulate Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) because that is where he advised us. And as you said yourself, you trust the Quran.

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:wa: (And peace be upon you)

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What do they base the hadiths being true on? Bc the Quran has the #19 to bind it together, plus math plus science etc. I don't understand how people can trust the hadiths like they do the Quran. (I felt that prayer is harmless and also is good etc). But how do u have faith in the hadiths??

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What do they base the hadiths being true on? Bc the Quran has the #19 to bind it together, plus math plus science etc. I don't understand how people can trust the hadiths like they do the Quran. (I felt that prayer is harmless and also is good etc). But how do u have faith in the hadiths??

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im sorry you had an encounter with a hadith rejector so early into your journey as a new muslim, dont fall into this trap
to practise islam you need quran AND the sunnah of rasululah sallaho alayhi wa sallam
the quran tells us to pray, the hadiths explain how to do so, at what times what supplications to make, what postures to perform
we are instructed in the quran to perform the pilgramage, in the hadiths we find the details of how to do so
so many things are commanded generally in the quran yet are explained in detail in the hadith, without the sunnah you can not practise islam it is that simple
Allah instructs us in the quran (translation of meaning) And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty. 59:7

Islamic scholars have devoted their live compiling the narrations of rasululah sallaho alayhi wa sallam and verifying them, thousands of narrators have been scrutinised to see who was reliable, who had a weak memory, who was a liar and who was trustworthy. if a hadith is considered sahih then it is 100% without a shadow of a doubt

Many scholars hold A hadith rejector is a kafir (disbeliever), pretending to be a muslim, im sorry you had to encounter them so early on in your journey but such is the world we live in. To practise islam you can not do so without following hadith, otherwise you just dont have islam anymore
Allah has protected this religion by preserving not only the quran but also the narrations of rasululah sallaho alayhi wa sallam as both are needed to practise this religion as it was practised by the messenger sallaho alayhi wa sallam and his companions may Allah be pleased with them all. There is a narration describing how this ummah will split into sects and how to recognise which group is upon the straight path

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) described them in the following terms: “My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.” This is mentioned in the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr which was recorded and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi (2641). It was also classed as hasan by al-‘Iraaqi in Ahkaam al-Qur’aan (3/432), al-‘Iraaqi inTakhreej al-Ihya’ (3/284) and al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
Alhamdulilah preserved the narrations of rasululah sallaho alayhi wa sallam and his companions so when difference arise between us we can refer back to the sources and see how islam was originally practised

I pray that Allah protects you from devients who try to mislead you and that Allah holds you steadfast on the straight path

Ty eesa. Your quote "worship the creator not the creation" I've been softly screaming that since i realized. Could i compare it to Jesus' time (or correct me if need be-it's more a question). Like John and Matthew were disciples of Jesus-so their gospels Allah confirmed in the Quran saying we could trust the words of Jesus (and John Matthew etc wrote them down). So one on hand Jesus confirmed they were his disciples (the good guys quote unquote). On the other hand i thought God said we could go by the words of Jesus (which Matthew mark Luke and John wrote). So Muhammed was also a prophet, peace be on him. So he probably said who his companions were, right? So they were notable well known people (like Jesus' disciples). So if we could confirm Muhammad approved of them, we could know their writing is from God. (It's not like they were adding new. they were telling what they saw and heard, right? As did Jesus' disciples-that wrote down what they heard (well i think Luke interviewed, but anyways). So... Right track?

It'd be the same thing as Jesus' 11 disciples wouldn't have lied about their experience. Right? I mean the words of Jesus remained intact. Muhammad's disciples peace be upon him-they wouldn't have lied either. (God chose good people). Muhammad peace be upon him told what Allah gave to him. Right basis?

I am young in my twenties still. I hoped for God when i was 21, but was told for years "God is Jesus and if you don't worship Jesus you won't go to heaven." At age 25 God showed me "God is not Jesus-Jesus was a servant, messenger of God, not God." When i was a teen-ager i prayed, even before i was a teen-ager i prayed. I always had read the Bible almost every day, since i was 15. I just feel physically bad and i don't know why. I'm not depressed but... Idk why i feel bad physically?? I've felt bad for years, my whole life probably (most of it). I'm upset that i still feel bad. It's been better lately but still bad. I'm trying to wake up early enough to do the prayers. Maybe now that i prayed correctly i can wake up early enough. I've had problems with sleep a lot etc.

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It'd be the same thing as Jesus' 11 disciples wouldn't have lied about their experience. Right? I mean the words of Jesus remained intact. Muhammad's disciples peace be upon him-they wouldn't have lied either. (God chose good people). Muhammad peace be upon him told what Allah gave to him. Right basis?

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slight problem with your analogy
with christianity the words of jesus peace be upon him were not preserved, yes he was a noble prophet of Allah but subsequent generations altered and changed his message untill his teachings were no longer recognizable. Christian do not have the teachings of jesus in there original form. subhannallah they dont even have a copy of a copy of a copy times twenty of the gospel that was revealed to jesus pbuh. All they have is conjecture and myth. i used to be a christian and have studied christianity extensively so these arent merely empty words.

in islam Allah however did something he did not do for the christians. He preserved the message. The quran is the same word for word, letter for letter as it was revealed as im sure you have discovered. The hadith however were preserved a little differently. Allah subhanahu wa ta ala raised in the muslim ummah scholars who devoted there lives to the science of verification of hadith. An example would be imam bukhari who compiled the most authentic book after the quran. The scholars went through the chains of all the various hadith and analysed the men and women who were part of the chain of narrators
We have such a thing called an isnad or chain of narrators
so one would sort of look like this: so and so narrated from so and so who narrated from so and so that he heard the messenger of Allah sallaho alayhi wa sallam say .................
every link in the chain of narrators has been scrutinised taking into account various things such as memory but also interestingly a persons character
if a person was know to be someone who for example drunk alcohol, his narrations would be deemed unreliable. Imam bukhairi rejected a man for tricking his camel into thinking he had food (which shows how serious they were about preserving authenticity)

if you were to apply the standards of hadith verification to the media today, everything would be considered fabricated as the newsreaders are open sinners and liars with an agenda

Hadiths are categorised into three main categorys, authentic (100 percent true from the messenger without a doubt), weak (has a weakness in the chain, ie strength of a narrators memory so this hadith is not relied upon. And fabricated (completely disregarded)

christianity had no such science thus the true teachings of jesus pbuh (which was islamic monotheism) were lost
because Muhammed sallaho alayhi wa sallam is the final messenger to mankind (no prophets will come after him) Allah subhanu wa ta ala preserved his message Alhamdulilah other wise we would be lost


i know this is probably a little confusing to you, when i was new to islam i felt the same. but slowly piece by piece you will pick up pieces of knowledge and find your feet
have a look at www.islamreligion.com they have a live chat q&a to help new converts so take advantage of that
you're doing well so keep it up, keep asking questions im sure the friendly people at islamic board will be more than happy to help inshaallah

Ok. ... Well things like "Jesus pbuh never claimed to be God" "Jesus pbuh only said he was the Messiah-Jesus pbuh said over and over "God and i are not the same person" like when he said "I'm ascending to my God and your God" etc. These concepts stayed intact. I guess i meant that. But sure, obviously everything was kept perfectly intact in the Quran, not a letter off, bc the #19 shows that in it.

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Ok. ... Well things like "Jesus pbuh never claimed to be God" "Jesus pbuh only said he was the Messiah-Jesus pbuh said over and over "God and i are not the same person" like when he said "I'm ascending to my God and your God" etc. These concepts stayed intact. I guess i meant that. But sure, obviously everything was kept perfectly intact in the Quran, not a letter off, bc the #19 shows that in it.

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i see what you mean, Yes there are traces of truth in the bible but they seem to indicate the seeker of truth to search out islam if anything as the church has failed to practise the teachings of monotheism jesus pbuh himself preached