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    Salam alaikum,

    I spoke with a "homeless" guy in costume walking through a busy intersection and he told me he makes $50/hour.

    Proof

    1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSewCBL4_GQ
    2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN6ky60lqr0
    3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOGUNSeH13M
    4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6niruOvpy1E

    Only the ones sleeping at night are real.

    Donate to reputable charities which you can find here: http://www.CharityNavigator.org

    Thank you for reading and have a great day.
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    There are plenty of stories like this. "Poverty" would seem to be a good career move. Locally, a "homeless" woman was caught climbing into her Cadillac after a hard day begging on a street corner.
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    format_quote Originally Posted by jabeady View Post
    There are plenty of stories like this. "Poverty" would seem to be a good career move. Locally, a "homeless" woman was caught climbing into her Cadillac after a hard day begging on a street corner.
    Yes. It is quite easy to spot them if you know how, actually. The most simple indicator if you see their hair is "rich" brown, with a slight yellow/gold tinge, it is a clear indicator this person is actually in costume and not homeless. Also they may have a tiny bit of dirt on them and if you look closely at their clothes they are not "normal" poor clothes, but slightly exaggerated.

    See: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xN6ky60lqr0/maxresdefault.jpg hair is a dead giveaway
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    This is why if I do give something to a homeless person it's usually a sandwich or other food.

    If they are pretending and taking advantage of people that's on them. They'll answer for that one day.

    And while I do get what you mean that donating through mosques is possibly more trustworthy, I personally have grown way too sceptical of organizations collecting donations. Heard way too many stories of people within them stealing, or redirecting funds to other places and people and not mentioning it to people who donate.
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    Greetings and peace be with you Reminder;

    Just a thought, the majority of people who pay rent or are paying for their house, are only ever three months away from being homeless. If you have an illness, accident, loose your job, if your relationship breaks down, and you get behind with your payments, there is a good chance you can end up homeless.

    Our local night shelter took in 123 people last year, sadly they turned away 430, because they do not have enough rooms. They will also turn people away if they suspect drugs or alcohol.

    If you wonder the streets after midnight, you can se how homeless people live, they sleep in multi storey car parks, railway stations, car ports, I see real poverty. They often live in fear of sleeping at night, they can be beaten up, it's cold and wet, homeless people are often very tired. I try and help homeless people, our Street Pastor teams have played a role in helping four find accommodations, I receive thanks through facebook, from a girl we helped off the streets, she is now at university. Last month we received a letter from a woman who had been homeless for a number of years, she thanked us and has asked if we can help her find her children.

    In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

    (Peace be upon you)

    We should all give to homeless people whenever we can and not be concerned about whether they are "deserving" or not. And the reason is based in Islam itself as per the words of Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as he'd said the following:

    “A man (from amongst the people before you) said: ‘Indeed! I will give in charity.’

    So he took his charity out and (unknowingly) placed it in the hand of a thief.

    In the morning people talked (about this incident) and said: ‘Charity was given to a thief last night.’

    The man said: ‘O God! Praise be to You. I have given charity to a thief. Indeed, I will give in charity!’

    So he took his charity out and he placed it (unknowingly) in a prostitute's hand.

    In the morning people talked (about this incident) and said: ‘Charity was given to a prostitute last night.’

    On hearing this, the man said: ‘Praise be to You, O God! I gave charity to a prostitute. Indeed, I will give in charity!’

    So he took his charity out and placed it in a rich man's hand.

    In the morning people talked (about this incident) and said: ‘Charity was given to a rich man last night.’

    The man said: ‘O God! Praise be to You (for helping me) give charity to a thief, a prostitute and a rich man.’

    Then he had a dream in which he was told that his charity to the thief might result in his refraining from his theft, his charity to the prostitute might help her abstain from her immorality, and his charity to the rich man might help remind him and [motivate him to] spend from what God had bestowed upon him.”
    (Sahih Bukhari.)

    What we learn from this hadith (prophetic tradition) is that if the intention of the person giving something in charity is good, it will be accepted and rewarded by Allah (God) Subhana wa Ta’ala (Glorified and Exalted is God) even though it may have been given to ostensibly an “undeserving” person. This shows God’s generosity towards us and His love for us. Though one can expend thought into having one’s charity reach deserving, pious people, one shouldn't worry about where the charity is ultimately going as all charity is actually given to be God to be taken care of as a matter of God and we should treat the matter as such.

    (And peace be upon you)
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    Wa alaykum assalam,

    I can see where you are coming from, ukhti, but also an important part of Islam is 'husn udh-dhan' (I hope I've spelt it correctly, lol), that is, a good opinion of others. And a part of that would be avoiding unnescessary suspicion, because only Allah swt knows what is truly in the heart.

    It's true, it may be that someone you see asking for alms or charity is not truly deserving of them, but what could be equally likely is that they are in desperate need of whatever we have to give them, and I think it would be so unfortunate if because of a suspicion we failed to help someone in need (for ourselves as much as them).

    And actions are rewarded by their intentions. So if we intend to help someone, we will be rewarded for that intention inshaAllah.

    Basically what sister Search so beautifully put .
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    format_quote Originally Posted by Reminder View Post
    on the street.

    Salam alaikum,

    I spoke with a "homeless" guy in costume walking through a busy intersection and he told me he makes $50/hour.

    If you want to give to help the homeless, donate at your Mosque or to a reputable charity online instead.
    agreed, I know a homeless guy who I give a few things to.

    Sometimes he comes in with more money than I made during the day..

    it's sad though because everytime I lecture him he looks at me as if he knows what he's doing..

    over two years I'm sad to say that I have only seen him get worse.

    although when they clean him up he could almost be a regular guy.

    he has a.I.d.s. now.

    and the first thing I say to homeless people I know is that I don't want to see then get any worse.


    ...I don't make anything from them getting worse.
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    Give - in the name of Allah... say it - don't just give the money - say "in the name of Allah, this is Sadaqah", let the beggers hear that, it will make them "think" and "wonder" for a little while... even this is a form of dawah.

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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    ...I thought that was what the Mosque asks for every eid?

    3fiddy for every member of the family.
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    When someone asks help and says for example that he is hungry, give him food, not money. If he isn´t in real need, he usually says no if you offer to him something to eat, not just some cash.

    If it´s possible, give to him also an address of some shelter or charity organization in your area.
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    Help whoever you can, with whatever you can. Even if it's just a little bit of food. Don't turn anyone away.

    وأما السائل فلا تنهر

    "As for the beggar, do not repulse him..." [Soorah adh-Dhuhaa.]

    I knew a Bangladeshi shopkeeper who never used to turn anyone away who came to his shop to ask. He would give them something even if it was very little. That way, he never repulsed any beggar. Even if he just gave them a 50c, for example, he would give something.

    If a person asks from you and you give him, and later on it turns out he was lying or just pretending, you will still get your full reward, In Shaa Allaah. Your duty is only to give. Your duty is not to try and find out what is in his heart. That isn't up to you. Allaah Ta`aalaa knows best who is truly needy.

    Just give. Like we mentioned, even if it is something very little, but give something. Don't turn people away who ask from you. If you always give people who ask from you, then In Shaa Allaah whenever you make Du`aa, Allaah Ta`aalaa will give you. When you beg from Allaah Ta`aalaa, He will give you.

    Also, remember that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم told us that Sadaqah (charity) does not decrease wealth. Whatever you give in Sadaqah, you will get your Thawaab in the Aakhirah, and in addition to that, Allaah Ta`aalaa will bless you in your wealth in this Dunyaa and give you an increase in your Rizq, In Shaa Allaah.

    Also, Sadaqah (charity) extinguishes the Anger of Allaah Ta`aalaa. We are all sinners. We sin daily. When someone comes to ask from you, it is actually an opportunity Allaah Ta`aalaa is giving you for you to gain Maghfirah (forgiveness) for some of the sins you have committed, as well as to attain Thawaab (reward).

    When Sahaabah-e-Kiraam used to get sick, they would give in Sadaqah (charity), because by doing so, Allaah Ta`aalaa cures you of your illnesses.

    Look at all the benefits we get from giving in Sadaqah:


    1. Forgiveness from Allaah Ta`aalaa
    2. Sadaqah extinguishes the Anger of Allaah Ta`aalaa
    3. Immense Thawaab for everything given, even if it be very little
    4. Relief from hardships and difficulties
    5. Shifaa (cure) from illnesses
    6. Du`aas are answered more readily by Allaah Ta`aalaa
    7. Increase in Rizq and Barakah in your earnings
    8. Acting upon the Command of Allaah Ta`aalaa to not repulse people who ask


    If you know for a fact that a certain person is only pretending to be poor but is actually rich, then of course you do not give for this person. What we mean is that, do not assume that a person asking is actually not in need. Have Husn-uzh-Zhann (good thoughts) about people. Give, because even if it turns out they were actually faking and you didn't know about it, you will still get your Thawaab (reward) In Shaa Allaah.
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    Help whoever you can, with whatever you can. Even if it's just a little bit of food. Don't turn anyone away.

    وأما السائل فلا تنهر

    "As for the beggar, do not repulse him..." [Soorah adh-Dhuhaa.]

    I knew a Bangladeshi shopkeeper who never used to turn anyone away who came to his shop to ask. He would give them something even if it was very little. That way, he never repulsed any beggar. Even if he just gave them a 50c, for example, he would give something.

    If a person asks from you and you give him, and later on it turns out he was lying or just pretending, you will still get your full reward, In Shaa Allaah. Your duty is only to give. Your duty is not to try and find out what is in his heart. That isn't up to you. Allaah Ta`aalaa knows best who is truly needy.

    Just give. Like we mentioned, even if it is something very little, but give something. Don't turn people away who ask from you. If you always give people who ask from you, then In Shaa Allaah whenever you make Du`aa, Allaah Ta`aalaa will give you. When you beg from Allaah Ta`aalaa, He will give you.

    Also, remember that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم told us that Sadaqah (charity) does not decrease wealth. Whatever you give in Sadaqah, you will get your Thawaab in the Aakhirah, and in addition to that, Allaah Ta`aalaa will bless you in your wealth in this Dunyaa and give you an increase in your Rizq, In Shaa Allaah.

    Also, Sadaqah (charity) extinguishes the Anger of Allaah Ta`aalaa. We are all sinners. We sin daily. When someone comes to ask from you, it is actually an opportunity Allaah Ta`aalaa is giving you for you to gain Maghfirah (forgiveness) for some of the sins you have committed, as well as to attain Thawaab (reward).

    When Sahaabah-e-Kiraam used to get sick, they would give in Sadaqah (charity), because by doing so, Allaah Ta`aalaa cures you of your illnesses.

    Look at all the benefits we get from giving in Sadaqah:


    1. Forgiveness from Allaah Ta`aalaa
    2. Sadaqah extinguishes the Anger of Allaah Ta`aalaa
    3. Immense Thawaab for everything given, even if it be very little
    4. Relief from hardships and difficulties
    5. Shifaa (cure) from illnesses
    6. Du`aas are answered more readily by Allaah Ta`aalaa
    7. Increase in Rizq and Barakah in your earnings
    8. Acting upon the Command of Allaah Ta`aalaa to not repulse people who ask


    If you know for a fact that a certain person is only pretending to be poor but is actually rich, then of course you do not give for this person. What we mean is that, do not assume that a person asking is actually not in need. Have Husn-uzh-Zhann (good thoughts) about people. Give, because even if it turns out they were actually faking and you didn't know about it, you will still get your Thawaab (reward) In Shaa Allaah.
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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A. View Post
    ...I thought that was what the Mosque asks for every eid?

    3fiddy for every member of the family.
    Masjids ask for "lillah" for the upkeep of the masjid and have a collection for sadaqah also, which is distributed to the poor - each masjid sends this money to where it thinks it is best given - that could be locality or in some remote corner of the planet.

    However, in Islam - charity begins at home - meaning, your locality. Your relatives and your neighbours, and your companions and also the people in your community - and I do not mean just Muslims.

    I mean people - regular people.

    Even a smile, can be charity - Prophet Muhammad pbuh

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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    ..I guess some people will never be successful.
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    the very word "success" is subjective, bro

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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    Greetings and peace be with you Scimitar;
    Give - in the name of Allah... say it - don't just give the money - say "in the name of Allah, this is Sadaqah", let the beggers hear that, it will make them "think" and "wonder" for a little while... even this is a form of dawah.
    We helped a homeless lady one night with some food and cigarettes, she asked if she could pray for us, and that was truly a humbling experience. She asked us what the date was, and we said New Years Eve, and as she started to pray for us, the fireworks went off, she prayed us out of the old year and into the New Year.

    We met a man who had been homeless for several years, he said when he found somewhere to sleep at night, he thanked God for all the good things that happened that day. To listen to a man who carried his home in a bag find ways to thank God, again was a truly humbling experience.

    I met a homeless man who said, he has no worries, God loves him.

    If you take the chance to talk and listen to homeless people, you may well be surprised at how they can bless you.

    In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

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    ..I doubt it..

    there are days I wish I could close the doors on this world.

    their keeper is nothing but malicious.

    it is a testament to the power of God swt.. that we could walk the same earth and meet the same people..

    and yet have entirely different experiences.

    I've seen men move from their paths just to block mine..

    been here too long.



    ...I don't live here.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A. View Post
    ..I doubt it..

    there are days I wish I could close the doors on this world.

    their keeper is nothing but malicious.

    it is a testament to the power of God swt.. that we could walk the same earth and meet the same people..

    and yet have entirely different experiences.

    I've seen men move from their paths just to block mine..

    been here too long.



    ...I don't live here.
    to even call such an existence "living" is a misnomer - don't share opinions that are likely to change, you stil have years to grow in sha Allah.

    Better to read and acquire the knowledge than to "opine" bro.

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    Re: Do not help homeless people

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you Scimitar;


    We helped a homeless lady one night with some food and cigarettes, she asked if she could pray for us, and that was truly a humbling experience. She asked us what the date was, and we said New Years Eve, and as she started to pray for us, the fireworks went off, she prayed us out of the old year and into the New Year.

    We met a man who had been homeless for several years, he said when he found somewhere to sleep at night, he thanked God for all the good things that happened that day. To listen to a man who carried his home in a bag find ways to thank God, again was a truly humbling experience.

    I met a homeless man who said, he has no worries, God loves him.

    If you take the chance to talk and listen to homeless people, you may well be surprised at how they can bless you.

    In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

    Eric
    Beautiful.

    I saw a video recently that bought a tear to my eyes.

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    plenty like this on youtube... kinda showing off but still - the homeless man, his reaction - just look at his reaction.

    Humbling.



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