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    As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but my question is in an Islamic State a Caliphate under a Caliph could a Muslims ever be killed for drinking or if they are caught in public drinking are they just given Lashes what if they are caught several times I would think that like Prohibition in America if someone really wanted to drink and was Muslim was living in a Caliphate they would try to keep it a secret or make Alcohol in their own Homes or drink there or maybe buy from Non Muslims anyways I now drinking is haram in Islam but I have met Muslims who drink I tell them to keep it a secret Islam says to keep sins a secret anyways right I think I heard a Scholar say it is better to say the Shahada and still drink Alcohol then remain a Non Muslim if they don't want to stop is this right or wrong thank you for the time what does the Quran and Hadiths say are they still Muslims ?



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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Null and void,

    You're speaking from an emotional position in the post before your last. I don't entertain emotion when it comes to things like this bro.

    Scimi
    Of course, no matter what i do, it's still null and void!

    I proved you wrong many times here in this thread, but you still don't want to admit it.
    When you show me where i'm wrong, unlike you i do admit it.

    I didn't talked with emotion, i just stated what others has said, but you are the one who is speaking with his emotions by saying that Caliphs & Poets never drank alcohol and i said the Truth about them even though i love them, and you don't want to show any respect for my ideas.

    But you just don't want to learn anything from me because i'm way more younger than you.
    As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but

    THIS NATION WILL KNOW WHO WILL DEFEND IT WITH HIS TONGUE AND WHO WILL FIGHT FOR IT WITH THE GLORIOUS SWORD !!!

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    You fail to see the issue bro - you asking us to take the words of drunken people as evidence is not really conducive to Islamic practice bro.

    Whenever we call a witness, the witness must be someone who is not categorically unreliable due to XYZ reasons, one of which is being an alcoholic.

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    You fail to see the issue bro - you asking us to take the words of drunken people as evidence is not really conducive to Islamic practice bro.

    Whenever we call a witness, the witness must be someone who is not categorically unreliable due to XYZ reasons, one of which is being an alcoholic.

    Scimi
    And i think that you also failed to see the bigger picture that i wanted to show.
    As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but

    THIS NATION WILL KNOW WHO WILL DEFEND IT WITH HIS TONGUE AND WHO WILL FIGHT FOR IT WITH THE GLORIOUS SWORD !!!

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Maybe... Maybe not
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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    No i'm sure because you have a big ego and you never want to be proven wrong
    As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but

    THIS NATION WILL KNOW WHO WILL DEFEND IT WITH HIS TONGUE AND WHO WILL FIGHT FOR IT WITH THE GLORIOUS SWORD !!!

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmedGassama View Post
    Yes i agree 100% with you

    But i'm a big fan of Mutanabbi He is the greatest poet with a heart of iron lol
    Maybe, I don't know him. But Hallaj was not just a poet, he was a great sufi and he is verily respected by many here in Turkey. I think saying that he claimed to be Allah is just a rude word..What he did was far beyond this...
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    “Either seem as you are or be as you seem” Rumi

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmedGassama View Post
    No i'm sure because you have a big ego and you never want to be proven wrong
    Ahmed, try and breathe - I already told you this thread was not about you or me

    Look, here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post

    Let's not make this about you or me though, I'd rather see you try to bring this thread back on track by doing one of two things:

    1) explain the position and reasoning behind khamr being haraam in Islam
    2) attempt to prove baghdadi is a notorious drunk

    One will be educational, the other - just entertainment

    Scimi
    Ahmed, Chillax bro, I think it was your ego that is feeling it - not mine... I advise some internal relfection

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Yes i do admit that i have an ego and a very biiiiiiig one but the difference between me and you is that I tell the Truth, i'm honest!

    So i dare you to admit it.

    It was you who made it between you and me when you said i'm a liar.
    As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but

    THIS NATION WILL KNOW WHO WILL DEFEND IT WITH HIS TONGUE AND WHO WILL FIGHT FOR IT WITH THE GLORIOUS SWORD !!!

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    I did? news to me I think you are getting lost in translation.

    I quoted an hadeeth which Ibn Adam quoted before me, and I did so to show you that "Chinese whispers" does not count as witness statement. Further, it can land someone into the classification of "liar" by their repetition of said "Chinese whispers"... which was in fact, exactly as you did - I was attempting to show you the fallacy of your method. That was all.

    But as usual dear bro, you see me as someone to "argue with", and so, I will let you be.

    Peace

    Scimi

    EDIT: I'd still like to see you try to either:

    `1) explain the reason why khamr is haraam

    or

    2) attempt to prove baghdadi is a notorious alcoholic

    Atleast that way, we can attempt to salvage this thread you steam-trolled. lol.
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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Salam Huzaifah. I see your point and thanks for sharing it. If it is what you say it sounds more understandable but if it is as Little_Lion says it sounds less understandable to me.
    The scholar is correct and my wording was bad. I apologize.
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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    I did? news to me I think you are getting lost in translation.

    I quoted an hadeeth which Ibn Adam quoted before me, and I did so to show you that "Chinese whispers" does not count as witness statement. Further, it can land someone into the classification of "liar" by their repetition of said "Chinese whispers"... which was in fact, exactly as you did - I was attempting to show you the fallacy of your method. That was all.

    But as usual dear bro, you see me as someone to "argue with", and so, I will let you be.

    Peace

    Scimi

    EDIT: I'd still like to see you try to either:

    `1) explain the reason why khamr is haraam

    or

    2) attempt to prove baghdadi is a notorious alcoholic

    Atleast that way, we can attempt to salvage this thread you steam-trolled. lol.
    The only one is trolling this thread is you as you did in many others

    You love to argue a lot.

    You asked me about the Caliphs and i answered you with proofs but you didn't want to believe it.
    You said the Muslim poets never glorified wine and i proved you wrong.

    You think that saying Harun Arrashid was accused of drinking Alcohol by some historians is a lie
    Then if i say Prophet David was accused of being a fornicator by the Christians is a lie as well ?

    Then why should we study ? Let's stop!

    Alcohol is haram because it makes you lose your head, Who doesn't know this ?
    As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but

    THIS NATION WILL KNOW WHO WILL DEFEND IT WITH HIS TONGUE AND WHO WILL FIGHT FOR IT WITH THE GLORIOUS SWORD !!!

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Maybe, I don't know him. But Hallaj was not just a poet, he was a great sufi.
    There is a story about Mansoor al-Hallaaj told in "Subulas Salaam". It goes:

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    "
    THE SABR, FAQR AND FUTUWWAT OF MANSUR HALLAAJ

    HADHRAT HUSAIN Bin Mansur Hallaaj (rahmatullah alayh) was imprisoned and was awaiting his execution for allegedly having uttered blasphemy (kufr). Ibn Khafeef went to visit him in prison. He asked Mansur Hallaaj permission to pose three questions. When Mansur Hallaaj consented, Ibn Khafeef said: “What is the meaning of Sabr (Patience)?” Hadhrat Mansur who was shackled in chains, said: “If I gaze at these shackles, they will break and fall off.” So saying, he cast an intense look at the shackles which promptly broke and fell off. However, despite having the ability to unshackle himself with such ease, he chose that his hands and feet to be in shackles night and
    day.

    Then he cast a gaze at the wall of the prison. The wall split open, and miraculously both Mansur and Ibn Khafeef found themselves standing on the banks of the River Dajlah (Tigris River in Iraq). Despite possessing such miraculous powers, Mansur Hallaaj remained within the prison. He never attempted to escape. He demonstrated these miraculous acts to physically explain the meaning of Sabr – to bear hardships with patience and not to seek escape from hardships with miraculous powers.

    Ibn Khafeef asked: “What is Faqr (poverty)?” Hadhrat Mansur cast a gaze at a stone which immediately turned into gold. Despite having the power to convert stones miraculously into gold, he did not have a dime (cent) to buy oil for his lamp at home. By this act, he explained the meaning of genuine poverty which is self-induced, and which is not the consequence of deprivation and inability.

    Ibn Khafeef then asked: “What is Futuwwat (courage)?” Hadhrat Mansur said: “Tomorrow you shall witness it.” Ibn Khafeef narrates: “That night I dreamt I was on the plains of Qiyaamah. An announcer was proclaiming: “Where is Husain Bin Mansur?” He was located and ushered into the Presence of Allah Ta’ala. It was then said: “Whoever loved you will enter Jannat, and whoever had hatred for you will enter Jahannum.” Mansur responded (i.e. in Ibn Khafeef’s dream): “No! O My Rabb! Forgive them all.” Then in his dream he turned to me and said: “This is the meaning of futuwwat.”

    Despite being shackled in thirteen chains, handcuffs and leg irons, Mansur (rahmatullah alayh) performed 1000 raka’ts daily in prison."

    ------------------

    [End quote from Subulas Salaam, p.6]
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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmedGassama View Post
    The only one is trolling this thread is you as you did in many others

    You love to argue a lot
    Why do you keep making this about you and I??

    Are you dense bro?

    I've told you many times now IN THIS THREAD that its not about you nor I - its about the position of Khamr in Islam - all you did was come here accusing Khaliphs of being alcoholics like a complete fool.

    Are you a fool?

    Do you only read your own posts?

    I'll repeat, this thread is not about you nor I.

    Now, for like the fifth time I will repeat - either:

    1) explain the reason why khamr is haraam in Islam

    or

    2) prove Khaliph Baghdadi is an Alcoholic. (at least this one is alive lol)

    Finally, stop being butthurt over dumb stuff - be a man, not a little girl.

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    I'm wasting my time speaking to you in this stupid thread!
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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmedGassama View Post
    I'm wasting my speaking to you in this stupid thread!


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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    That's exactly what i did now!
    As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Bro you're funny

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    Re: As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    He's probably referring to fictional novel "1001 Arabian Nights" lol. Apparently Abbasid Khalip Harun al Rashid consumed alcohol in this fictional setting which became a literary marvel in Europe.

    Scimi
    Originally Posted by ibn-Adam

    Let’s remember the following statement of the Prophet:


    Abu Huraira narrated the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “It is enough to call a person a liar that he narrates everything he hears”[Sahih Muslim]

    The explanation of the hadith is that a person will hear a mixture of truth and falsehood and if they simply narrate everything without checking what is true and what is false, they will inevitably narrate the lies too.
    As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but

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