Alhamdulillah I follow the Quran and Hadith. Does it say in the Quran that we must follow the Hadith?? I know someone who followed Hadith, wore abaya and was considering wearing niqab..now that she has started attending islamic school she's been told hadiths are "fake" anyone can change them where as the Quran hasn't and will not be changed..she said "I hate Hadith" Astagferullah.
She says women should wear loose clothes so body shape is not visible but wearing head scarf and covering the head is not fardh. She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith? How do we know if the hadiths are real? Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk. She does understand that the Prophet pbuh did what Allah swt told him to.."nor does he speak his own desire"..she says the prophet pbuh did not write the hadiths so how do we know people haven't made things up??Please provide answers with reference from Quran. JazakAllah.
Buying a house on mortgage is haram, right?? I am just so worried for her and her family. Don't know where and who they are learning from that they think it's not haram..they were really strict about all this but are now considering of getting a house on mortgage. All I can do is make dua for them, don't know how to help them.
Buying a house on mortgage is haram, right?? I am just so worried for her and her family. Don't know where and who they are learning from that they think it's not haram..they were really strict about all this but are now considering of getting a house on mortgage. All I can do is make dua for them, don't know how to help them.
Mortgage mean rahn.. and its not haram. Even our prophet صلي الله عليه و آله did this before his death... but yes some conditions make it to haram.. and i dnt knw how in europe mortgage is done
قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
و قال ايضا:*اذا لم تستحي،فاصنع ما شئت*
A Munkir-ul-Hadeeth (Hadeeth Rejector) is a Kaafir. In fact, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, over 1,400 years ago, mentioned that towards the end of times, a group will emerge who will reject Hadeeth and call people to take only from the Qur'aan.
These people have a sickness in their brains. They have not yet studied enough to know that if there is no Hadeeth, there is no Qur'aan, as the Qur'aan was compiled, written down and transmitted by the Sahaabah. It did not come down in a book form. So what is the difference between the compilation of the Ahaadeeth and the gathering of the Qur'aan? Are they even aware of how the Qur'aan was gathered?
Rather than waste time blabbering nonsense in these issues, they should ask Allaah Ta`aalaa to grant them understanding.
Buying a house on mortgage is haram, right?? I am just so worried for her and her family. Don't know where and who they are learning from that they think it's not haram..they were really strict about all this but are now considering of getting a house on mortgage. All I can do is make dua for them, don't know how to help them.
format_quote Originally Posted by فصيح الياسين
Mortgage mean rahn.. and its not haram. Even our prophet صلي الله عليه و آله did this before his death... but yes some conditions make it to haram.. and i dnt knw how in europe mortgage is done
In Europe, it is usually based on interest, which is haram.
format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
i have yet to be explained too..
in terms of who wrote it down.
on what it was written.
or who gathered it.
those people are not common knowledge im afraid.
Have a look at the links I posted. I'll direct you to the relevant page numbers. From the first link, Usool al Hadeeth, go to PDF page 11 onwards, and pages 16 onwards, and in the second link, the Authority and Importance of the Sunnah, go to page 166 onward. They are very useful to read generally outside of those pages too.
Stunningly beautiful adhaan from the Dome of the Rock in Masjid ul Aqsa Download (right click and choose "save target/link as").
This is a clear message for mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is only One God, and that those of understanding may take heed (14:52)
Indeed Allah knows, and you know not (16: 74, part)
Alhamdulillah I follow the Quran and Hadith. Does it say in the Quran that we must follow the Hadith?? I know someone who followed Hadith, wore abaya and was considering wearing niqab..now that she has started attending islamic school she's been told hadiths are "fake" anyone can change them where as the Quran hasn't and will not be changed..she said "I hate Hadith" Astagferullah.
She says women should wear loose clothes so body shape is not visible but wearing head scarf and covering the head is not fardh. She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith? How do we know if the hadiths are real? Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk. She does understand that the Prophet pbuh did what Allah swt told him to.."nor does he speak his own desire"..she says the prophet pbuh did not write the hadiths so how do we know people haven't made things up??Please provide answers with reference from Quran. JazakAllah.
Subhanallah there will always be evil people bringing falsehood to the religion. My advice is that this person needs to stop going to this school as it is not islamic at all. And if they don't stop going or can't then I suggest you keep away from them as the last thing you want to do is start doubting the religion and your following.Always remember the Quran is Allah's words and tell us what we have to do whereas the Sunnah of our prophet Muhammad saw tells us how it is suppose to be done.
For example in the quran we are ordered to pray and in the sunnah it tells us what to say and how to pray insha'allah.
Buying a house on mortgage is haram, right?? I am just so worried for her and her family. Don't know where and who they are learning from that they think it's not haram..they were really strict about all this but are now considering of getting a house on mortgage. All I can do is make dua for them, don't know how to help them.
Yes it is haraam as interest is haraam and there is no such thing as halal mortgage in case you ask.
In Europe, it is usually based on interest, which is haram.
Have a look at the links I posted. I'll direct you to the relevant page numbers. From the first link, Usool al Hadeeth, go to PDF page 11 onwards, and pages 16 onwards, and in the second link, the Authority and Importance of the Sunnah, go to page 166 onward. They are very useful to read generally outside of those pages too.
Thanks for this information
قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
و قال ايضا:*اذا لم تستحي،فاصنع ما شئت*
(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
(Peace be upon you)
Sister, either your friend has misunderstood what the teachers are teaching or some really bad teachers are giving lectures in this so-called "islamic school."
There is zero way a person can understand the Qur'an without the aegis of ahadith (prophetic traditions); if a person rejects ahadith (prophetic traditions) altogether, that person essentially becomes a non-Muslim and would be characterized that way under shariah (Islamic law).
Frankly, what's more likely to have happened is that your friend has learned some ahadith that she didn't really like due to finding them facially harsh (without learning as yet context) and in the process of learning that there is a possibility that some ahadith can possibly be characterized as weak, she thinks she's found a loophole to reject them altogether. However, even some of the weak ahadith are characterized as such due to the chain of transmission and not because they're not true. I fear for your friend's iman (faith) and I ask that you pray for her and do not let her influence you in this matter because she's not even 1% correct.
(And peace be upon you)
We are not in a position to judge anyone. Live your life by quran
We are not in a position to judge anyone. Live your life by quran
Where somebody has a misconception abut Islam, it is our duty to correct it, not to stay silent. If you want to live your life by the Qur'an, then you have to follow the sunnah of the Prophet , because, as already mentioned, the Qur'an mandates the following of the Prophet's sunnah. Please read all the posts and links provided, some of which give evidence from the Qur'an.
Stunningly beautiful adhaan from the Dome of the Rock in Masjid ul Aqsa Download (right click and choose "save target/link as").
This is a clear message for mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is only One God, and that those of understanding may take heed (14:52)
Indeed Allah knows, and you know not (16: 74, part)
Nice, ty for sharing... btw, on page 15 you misspelled met..
Module 2 Part D: Classification of Hadith
The Hadith Saheeh
If all of the narrators in the Sanad fulfil the following three conditions, the Hadith is classified as an accurate saying or action of the Prophet and named Saheeh.
This means we can be certain that the Prophet actually said or did that was reported in the hadith.
The narrators must all be known to be truthful
They must all have good memories, or have written down what they heard
Scholars later graded the memories of Narrators into excellent and acceptable. If all had excellent memories the hadith was rated saheeh, and if some were acceptable it was rated hasan. However, both categories are considered authentic.
They must all have net each other
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I just, JUST woke up and am not thinking clearly enough to organize my thoughts yet, but here is a link to my notes so far on Hadith and how they were collected from my IOU course. It includes Qur'anic verses and is basically an outline of everything (from the first three parts of the class) on how Hadith are organized, authenticated, should be adhered to, etc. Insha'Allah I'll put this into something more condense for general reading later today but you're welcome to pick through it in the meantime.
Iv shared all the links from here..she's not ready to listen to or believe anything. She said "we should not be following any narration that is not from Allah swt" I think il just stop trying.
It is essential that it be established in the mind and heart of every Muslim that the Sunnah – which is the words, deeds and approval that are attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – is one of the two parts of divine Revelation that were revealed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The other part of the Revelation (Wahy) is the Holy Qur’aan
The Prophet’s Sunnah is the second source of Islamic sharee‘ah. The revelation came down to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) with the Sunnah as it came down to him with the Qur’an. The proof of that is the words of Allah, may He be exalted (interpretation of the meaning):
“Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is but a revelation revealed” [an-Najm 53:3-4].
It is essential that it be established in the mind and heart of every Muslim that the Sunnah – which is the words, deeds and approval that are attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – is one of the two parts of divine Revelation that were revealed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The other part of the Revelation (Wahy) is the Holy Qur’aan
It was narrated from al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’di Yakrib (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Verily I have been given the Qur’aan AND something similar to it along with it. But soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch with a full stomach, and he will say, ‘You should adhere to this Qur’aan: what you find that it says is permissible, take it as permissible, and what you find it says is forbidden, take it as forbidden.’ But indeed, whatever the Messenger of Allaah forbids is like what Allaah forbids.”
Whoever obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah.
[4:80]
What the Messenger gives you, take it;and what he forbids you from doing, avoid doing it.
[59:7
format_quote Originally Posted by Regrets1
Iv shared all the links from here..she's not ready to listen to or believe anything. She said "we should not be following any narration that is not from Allah swt" I think il just stop trying.
When someone is on the wrong path, no amount of proofs and evidence will help if he/she is not willing to listen and keep an open mind and heart. We can only try our best but all we can do is convey the message, hidaya is from Allah only.
Iv shared all the links from here..she's not ready to listen to or believe anything. She said "we should not be following any narration that is not from Allah swt" I think il just stop trying.
Leave her it will good for u.
Their is one firqa known as zakriya or zikriya they dnt believe on single hadith. So they are out of islam..
The girl u say about. Her many beliefs are still unknown to us..
Like what she think of prophet. How quran came. How to pray etc etc so it will help us to understand her more easily
Last edited by فصيح الياسين; 10-31-2016 at 05:07 PM.
قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
و قال ايضا:*اذا لم تستحي،فاصنع ما شئت*
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