Muslims rejecting Hadith

Wa alaykum assalaam,

format_quote Originally Posted by Regrets1

She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith?

If everything is in the Qur'an, where does it state how many rakat for each prayer etc?

format_quote Originally Posted by Regrets1

Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk.

I wonder what kind of an "Islamic" school this is.

This is a gross misunderstanding. The authentic hadeeth is essential for a proper understanding of Islam.

The Qur'an, in fact, contrary to what she's said, mandates that we follow the sunnah of the prophet , and the records of the sunnah are preserved in the authentic hadeeth.

Please read this thread from the linked post onwards. It may be a bit long (eight posts), but perhaps read a post a day, or send her the link so she can read them.

Why do we follow hadeeths?

Rejecting the sunnah of the Prophet has grave implications for our imaan, and is a very serious matter.

There is a new group who call themselves "Quran alone" Muslims. They reject all hadithes.

format_quote Originally Posted by Search

There is zero way a person can understand the Qur'an without the aegis of ahadith (prophetic traditions); if a person rejects ahadith (prophetic traditions) altogether, that person essentially becomes a non-Muslim and would be characterized that way under [I]shariah (Islamic law).

I am not a Quran alone Muslim but this is something I completely oppose..If one cannot understand Quran witout the aegis of Hadith why Quran identifies itself "a clear Book"?

format_quote Originally Posted by Regrets1

That's exactly what I asked her..her reply was "how do we know if the Hadith is authentic? Including sahih Bukhari"

This is a book called Usool al-hadeeth by Dr Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips.

It has chapters on hadeeth compilation, ie what was the position during the Prophets lifetime, then afterwards during the era of the sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) and their followers, how the hadeeth were transmitted, the isnaad system, the conditions for a hadeeth to be saheeh, which things cause a hadeeth to be rejected, how to reconcile between outwardly contradictory texts, the science of validation of hadeeth, etc:

https://islamfuture.files.wordpress....evaluation.pdf

No short answer will do justice to this.

Please take the time to even read a few pages a day, and maybe a post a day of the other thread that I linked to.

format_quote Originally Posted by Regrets1

Asalamu Alaikum.

Alhamdulillah I follow the Quran and Hadith. Does it say in the Quran that we must follow the Hadith?? I know someone who followed Hadith, wore abaya and was considering wearing niqab..now that she has started attending islamic school she's been told hadiths are "fake" anyone can change them where as the Quran hasn't and will not be changed..she said "I hate Hadith" Astagferullah.

She says women should wear loose clothes so body shape is not visible but wearing head scarf and covering the head is not fardh. She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith? How do we know if the hadiths are real? Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk. She does understand that the Prophet pbuh did what Allah swt told him to.."nor does he speak his own desire"..she says the prophet pbuh did not write the hadiths so how do we know people haven't made things up??Please provide answers with reference from Quran. JazakAllah.

Hahaha sorry cant stop laughing... is this real????

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

There is a new group who call themselves "Quran alone" Muslims. They reject all hadithes.

Never heard of them. Though rejecting all hadith are kufr so thy arent muslimS. If u have any contacts of them i will love to chat with them.. and they wont get what hitted them

format_quote Originally Posted by Little_Lion

Because the Qur'an does contain the Straight Path which is, worship none but Allah. It gives clear instruction how to do that and one of its instructions on how to do that is to follow the Messenger of Allah. And the Prophet (pbuh) said, “Indeed, I was given the Qur’an and something similar to it along with it.” referring to the hadith.

I originally studied under a teacher who wasn't "Qur'an only" but was definitely "Qur'an mostly"; convincing him a hadith was sahih was very difficult and he is a VERY learned man. Even then he was prone to reinterpret things to the current way of life and *laughs* switching over to a Salafi teacher has been an eye-opening experience.

Yes ofcourse Quran itself says to follow the Prophet a.s. but the Prophet a.s. himself said that do not write down his words. People didnt write any hadith until 2 centuries after Him. Buhari first thought to collect a hadith book. And many hadithes had been fabricated until his period.

What was the eye-opening point? I am relly intersted..Salam

format_quote Originally Posted by Regrets1

It sure is real..I was so happy when she told me she's attending islamic school, Iv read many comments and stories of people who reject Hadith..never thought someone I know would go that path.

My advice for u to be far away frm her cause she might corrupt as well.. she lost her eman by saying all of these.. i mean rejection of all hadith.. even quran is also hadith e mutawatir al matlu.... may allah protect muslims all over the world.. in europe muslims are really at hard state staying these stuff either make some one corrupt in eman or hurt his heart for sure....

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

Yes ofcourse Quran itself says to follow the Prophet a.s. but the Prophet a.s. himself said that do not write down his words. People didnt write any hadith until 2 centuries after Him. Buhari first thought to collect a hadith book.

During the life of the Prophet there was no pressing need to write down all of his various statements or record his actions because he was present and could be consulted at any time. As a matter of fact, the prophet himself made a general prohibition against writing down his statements which were other than the Qur’aan itself. This was to prevent the possibility of mixing up the Qur’aan with his own words during the era of revelation. Consequently, the greatest stress regarding writing was placed on recording the Qur’aanic verses. However, there are many authentic narrations collected by the Scholars of Hadeeth that prove that Hadeeth were recorded in writing even during the lifetime of the Prophet For example, Abdullaah ibn ‘Amr said: “I used to write everything which I heard from the Messenger of Allaah with the intention of memorizing it. However, some Qurayshites forbade me from doing so saying, ‘Do you write everything that you hear from him, while the Messenger of Allaah is a human being who speaks in anger and pleasure?’ So I stopped writing, and mentioned it to the Messenger of Allah . He pointed with his finger to his mouth and said: Write! By Him in whose hand is my soul, only truth comes out from it.’ Aboo hurayrah said: When Makkah was conquered, the Prophet stood up and gave a sermon [Aboo Hurayrah then mentioned the sermon]. A man from Yemen, called Aboo Shaah got up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah! Write it down for me.” The Messenger of Allaah replied, “Write it for Aboo Shaah.”Al-Waleed asked Aboo ‘Amr, “What are they writing?” He replied, “The sermon which he heard that day."

Aboo Qaabeel said: We were with Abdullaah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas and he was asked which city will be conquered first Constantinople or Rome? So ‘Abdullaah called for a sealed trunk and he said, “Take out the book from it.”Then ‘Abdullaah said, “While we were with the Messenger of Allaah writing, The Messenger of Allaah was asked, Which city will be conquered first, Constantinople or Rome? ” So Allaah ’s messenger said: “The city of Heracilius will be conquered first ,” meaning Constantinople.

The above is from the book I mentioned above and can be read in the PDF linked to above.

Please also scroll to pdf page 171, which is page 177 of the following important source, which also shows that the "fact" that hadeeth weren't written til two hundred years after the prophet is a myth spread by non Muslim orientalists, and that the recording of the hadeeth actually began during the prophets lifetime and he explicitly allowed it, one sentence of which is "There is no question, therefore, that the recording of hadeeth began during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah himself. This practice of writing hadeeth continued after the death of the Messenger of Allah ."

https://futureislam.files.wordpress....the-sunnah.pdf

The book is called the authority and importance of the sunnah, by Jamal al Din Zarabozo. This is another useful source in addition to the one I mentioned above.

I hope this helps to clarify.