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Two things:

1) Kalbaani is wrong.

2) Kalbaani is not a proof. His words are not Wahi from Allaah. He is not a Nabi. He is a human. Every human besides the Ambiyaa gets certain things right and certain things wrong. They err. They make mistakes. This is one of his mistakes. What exactly about "Salafism" does he want to change? He doesn't want to change "Salafism". He wants to change Islaam. He wants to change the Qur'aan and the Ahaadeeth. For example, there is a Hadeeth which says homosexuals who commit sodomy are to be killed. He will want to remove this Hadeeth. Pretend it was never said. But no amount of pretense is going to make it "unsaid". He can pretend but the Kaafir world that he is trying to please will always know that it was said. That is the fact of the matter. Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said it. Neither he nor a galaxy of "scholars for dollars" can "un-say it". And you know what? People who do that shouldn't bother to call themselves Muslims. They may as well wear a cross and pray in a church. But if a person is trying to change Islaam, then he is not Muslim. You either accept Islaam as it is, or you don't accept it. The entire Deen of Islaam is based on Wahi from Allaah Ta`aalaa. Thus, it is Divine. The moment people start tampering in it, editing, adding and subtracting, it is no longer Islaam and is no longer Divine. The product of their tampering is man-made and cannot be referred to as "Islaam", because their tampering is not based on Wahi from Allaah.

Was-Salaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by Search

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Well, you can continue to defend Salafism; and I presume I'll continue to disagree with you on the subject. This thread, by the way, is not about Sufism. That said, if you have time from following Salafism, do ask Allah to give you guidance on the matter of Sufism rather than blind-following Salafi understanding of Sufism. Just because Salafism has an overpowering presence on the Internet doesn't mean that you're right to deny Sufism; it is onus on you to discover and search for the truth on the matter of Sufism just as you would ask a person to do so on Islam who was, say, a Christian, a Jew, or a Hindu.

"Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Then will you not give thought?" [Qur'an 6:50]

Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “When Allah wishes good for someone, He bestows upon him the understanding of the Deen.” [Bukhari]

(And peace be upon you)

There are groups that claim to be salafi that are ignorant and extreme. I've heard of them and know of their hang out sites. There are also modern "salafi" who follow their own deviant understanding and extremism. To them if you are not one of them then you are are lost. I have no desire to defend them nor do I speak of them. The salafi i defend are the ones that stick to the Quran and Sunnah and are Muslims. I am not a salafi nor do i describe myself as one.

As for Sufism, I have read up on them and know very well the deviancy of their sect. The onus is on you to research about the deviant sect you follow and free your mind from blindly following them and trying to defend them. You won't even listen to anyone giving evidence of the misguidance of your beloved shaiks like hamza yusuf and yet you talk about research and hidayah? perhaps you should listen to the advice you give and for once really study into sufism from Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah sources and not your sufi shayks. Is Your akhira more important to you or these deviant shayks?

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

Two things:

1) Kalbaani is wrong.

2) Kalbaani is not a proof. His words are not Wahi from Allaah. He is not a Nabi. He is a human. Every human besides the Ambiyaa gets certain things right and certain things wrong. They err. They make mistakes. This is one of his mistakes. What exactly about "Salafism" does he want to change? He doesn't want to change "Salafism". He wants to change Islaam. He wants to change the Qur'aan and the Ahaadeeth. For example, there is a Hadeeth which says homosexuals who commit sodomy are to be killed. He will want to remove this Hadeeth. Pretend it was never said. But no amount of pretense is going to make it "unsaid". He can pretend but the Kaafir world that he is trying to please will always know that it was said. That is the fact of the matter. Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said it. Neither he nor a galaxy of "scholars for dollars" can "un-say it". And you know what? People who do that shouldn't bother to call themselves Muslims. They may as well wear a cross and pray in a church. But if a person is trying to change Islaam, then he is not Muslim. You either accept Islaam as it is, or you don't accept it. The entire Deen of Islaam is based on Wahi from Allaah Ta`aalaa. Thus, it is Divine. The moment people start tampering in it, editing, adding and subtracting, it is no longer Islaam and is no longer Divine. The product of their tampering is man-made and cannot be referred to as "Islaam", because their tampering is not based on Wahi from Allaah.

Was-Salaam.

salaam

Talk about the ultimate straw man - If you read the article you'll see some important points that that need to change

format_quote Originally Posted by Search

This is not the first time that Al-Kalbani has challenged the mainstream clerics. He has harshly attacked suicide bombings, published a fatwa permitting poetry and called for allowing women to drive cars.

Of course points that you'll ignore. I also find it odd how people have such a hard time in accepting that modernity and salafi thought have created a huge disaster - Not to mention the sectarian wars.

"The 'Wahhabi' Myth" is a landmark achievement in clarifying many of the gross inaccuracies and outright lies that have been attributed to the belief of the Salafee Muslims. Although some reporters and Western orientalist scholars have been vigilant enough to rebut these widespread fables, most have fallen headfirst into what one discerning reporter called, "the neo-conservative line that the whole conspiracy against America can be traced back to Wahabism and the government of Saudi Arabia."

BOOK : http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6103974/f/thewahhabimyth.pdf

I am extremely against wahabism or now days salafism . But aima of haramain are hanabilas also. I saw extreme difference between wahabis. Some belive on bukhari only. Some on bukhari and muslim only. Some on sehai sitta but against usool . Some accepts all usool so mixed the 4 madhaib. Well i am really really sick of them

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama

You desi people and the sufis since they speak out against sufi grave worships and your pir babas and shrine visits and taweez and other bidah. Then again anyone who speaks out against such bidah and shirk practices is labeled as "wahabi" .

Alhumdulillah i follow sufism to clean my heart. I never went to any baba. Nor i went to graves for worship but only for to realise tht i will be one of them. We ask frm allah bro..
People mostly dnt understand wht sufism is.. or which they see is really opposite to reality...