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    Homosexuality is natural? (OP)


    Assalamo Alkium brothers and sisters,


    A few days ago,my muslim friends were challenged by an atheist,(the guy who seems to enjoy trolling Christians and Muslims in our high school) and he told them "If homosexuality is forbidden in Islam,then why did god make it natural?" at this point both of my friends were laughing,they thought he was just messing with them, annoying them in other words.And he actually proved this by showing a video,i cant say that I saw,but I was very confused at this moment,(I didn't join the discussion,i was just listening to them,and I did infact saw 2 giraffes doing homosexual acts,also the video changed and it was penguins) so there are homosexual animals out there,which apparently proves that homosexuality is natural.At this point both of my friends were quiet,he asking them why is it forbidden if god made it natural among animals? .. and there you got both of my muslim friends stunned by this mulhid (atheist) .

    I did some research after this argument and apparently homosexuality is indeed natural (among animals aswell) .so the question to me...

    If Allah forbid homosexuality among humans..then why is it natural?? and why does it exist among animals?? (I mean whats the point of animals having homosexual relationships?..) and obviously I'm having much wiswas over this..so I would like someone who understands this crystal clear and explain it..

    Wa assalamo alikum wa rahmutillahi wa barakato.
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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyi View Post
    Just ask yourself why gays are not allowed to donate blood. Ask yourself why doctors do not allow it.
    What?? Really? No one told me that..that's the first time I've heard that...

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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    We aren't "animals" in that sense though. Female hamsters who just give birth have to be seperated from their babies because if they smell something "unusual" on them ( eg human scent) they kill them. We don't do that.
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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    The praying mantis female rips the head off the male after mating and eats it

    Is that natural too?

    Just cause animals do something doesn't make it ok for us
    Homosexuality is natural?

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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by fyi View Post
    Just ask yourself why gays are not allowed to donate blood. Ask yourself why doctors do not allow it.
    Is it not because of AIDS/HIV? That there's a higher chance or something?

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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    If this atheist kid enjoys looking up videos of animals, "homosexual" ones at that, having sex, then there's bigger questions to be asked here.

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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by keiv View Post
    If this atheist kid enjoys looking up videos of animals, "homosexual" ones at that, having sex, then there's bigger questions to be asked here.
    Yeah.. Give the animals some privacy, i mean c'mon.
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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    Within the last decade, genetic analysis of heritable traits has taken a huge step forward with the advent of DNA microarray technology. Using this technology, it is possible to scan large lengths of the human genome (even an entire genome wide scan—GWAS) for numerous individuals, at quite reasonable costs. This DNA microarray technology has led to the discovery of genes that are associated with complex diseases, such as Crohn's Disease. If homosexuality truly has a genetic component, DNA microarray studies would not only definitively prove the point, but would identify specific gene(s) or loci that might be associated with those who express a homosexual orientation. The first attempt to do genome wide scans on homosexual males was done by Mustanski et al. in 2005.42 The results suggested possible linkage near microsatellite D7S798 on chromosome 7q36. However, an attempt to repeat the finding (along with ~6000 well-defined SNPs spread comparatively evenly across the human genome) failed to find any significant SNPs.43 However, a third study using Chinese subjects found a weak association at the SHH rs9333613 polymorphism of 7q36.44 A more general study, examining mate choice among different populations, found no genetic link, prompting the investigators to speculate that such choices were "culturally driven."45 The largest genome wide scan was conducted by 23andMe. 7887 unrelated men and 5570 unrelated women of European ancestry were analyzed by GWAS. Although unpublished, the data was presented at the American Society of Human Genetics annual meeting in San Francisco, showing that there were no loci associated with sexual orientation, including Xq28 on the X chromosome.46 So, the preliminary studies on possible genetic causes of homosexual orientation tends to rule out any dramatic genetic component to sexual orientation.
    reference :
    Mustanski, B. S., Dupree, M. G., Nievergelt, C. M., Bocklandt, S., Schork, N. J. & Hamer, D. H. 2005. A genome-wide scan of male sexual orientation. Hum. Genet. 116, 272–278 (2005).
    Ramagopalan, S. V., D. A. Dyment, L. Handunnetthi, G. P. Rice and G. C. Ebers. 2010. A genome-wide scan of male sexual orientation. J. Hum. Genet. 55: 131–132.
    Wang, B., Zhou S., Hong F., Wang J., Liu X., Cai Y., Wang F., Feng T., and Ma, X. 2011. Association Analysis Between the Tag SNP for Sonic Hedgehog rs9333613 Polymorphism and Male Sexual Orientation J. Androl. 2011 Sep 22.
    Laurent, R., B. Toupance, and R. Chaix. 2012. Non-random mate choice in humans: insights from a genome scan. Molecular Ecology 21:587–596.
    E. M. Drabant, A. K. Kiefer, N. Eriksson, J. L. Mountain, U. Francke, J. Y. Tung, D. A. Hinds, C. B. Do 23andMe. 2012 Genome Wide Association Study of Sexual Orientation in a Large, Web-based Cohort. Abstract presented at the American Society of Human Genetics annual meeting in San Francisco.
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    Homosexuality is natural?

    Leave me alone. Let me serve this ummah anonymously.
    Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."(verse 17:81)

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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    The gift of free will means you can choose your sexuality. In the quran says "why do come onto men when there are women" ...along those lines....

    so its a choice, choices are influenced by temptation from shaytaan.

    But you see the whole thing of sex has been taken out of proportion by shaytaans influence. The purpose of sex is simply to reproduce anything else is perversion from the norm set by God. He created Man then Woman to keep him company and for him to take rest in ( a woman... he could have made another man. but he decided to make a woman..and Allah knows best) so if you want companionship and you are a man, seek it in a woman as that is how God designed it to be so.

    But like i said it is your choice, you can choose to drink, cheat, gamble, lie you can also choose who you sleep with that is your choice and yours alone and you should accept the consequences of such actions, by consequences i mean those that will come from God, his judgement when you face him, not the anti-homo uncle who will beat homo up to try to make him straight. You see some in Islam would say some males who have weak faith, who dont pray, can become possessed by female jin, mischievous jin and yes you have to believe this as a muslim and the quran says it can be so, so sometimes it is something that can be helped by religion.

    And no as humans we dont copy animal is they do things animals were not gifted with intelligence as we were, we have higher intelligence and we have instruction manual from God to tell us how to live our lives, animals dont. Some animals eat feaces, its best if humans dont copy this kind of behaviour

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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Sultan View Post
    Assalamo Alkium brothers and sisters,


    A few days ago,my muslim friends were challenged by an atheist,(the guy who seems to enjoy trolling Christians and Muslims in our high school) and he told them "If homosexuality is forbidden in Islam,then why did god make it natural?" at this point both of my friends were laughing,they thought he was just messing with them, annoying them in other words.And he actually proved this by showing a video,i cant say that I saw,but I was very confused at this moment,(I didn't join the discussion,i was just listening to them,and I did infact saw 2 giraffes doing homosexual acts,also the video changed and it was penguins) so there are homosexual animals out there,which apparently proves that homosexuality is natural.At this point both of my friends were quiet,he asking them why is it forbidden if god made it natural among animals? .. and there you got both of my muslim friends stunned by this mulhid (atheist) .

    I did some research after this argument and apparently homosexuality is indeed natural (among animals aswell) .so the question to me...

    If Allah forbid homosexuality among humans..then why is it natural?? and why does it exist among animals?? (I mean whats the point of animals having homosexual relationships?..) and obviously I'm having much wiswas over this..so I would like someone who understands this crystal clear and explain it..

    Wa assalamo alikum wa rahmutillahi wa barakato.


    Homosexuality, incest etc are innate qualities of animals whether they live in jungle or in our society
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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    Homosexuality is not the fitrah of man. It would not be Divine Justice for Allah create someone a homosexual and then punish him on the Day of Judgement for it. This suggestion of it being natural comes from Iblis to make it acceptable in society. And Allah Knows Best.
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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    As humans its best to overcome our animal desires, its that God given ability to overcome those animal desires that seperate us from animals and make us human.

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    Re: Homosexuality is natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Sultan View Post
    So,this is all from god right? homosexuality is natural? right? and he wants to test us to see if he we will follow what he forbid,basically yes?
    Assalaamo alaykum

    Homosexuality is not natural and it is not found in animals, not at all.

    Allah has created some animals with both of the male and female reproductive organs. For e.g. see an earth worm. It has female organs at one place of its body and male organs at another place. So it will act both as male and a female organism. It is very easy for Allah to make an organism both male and female at the same time. But the purpose of sex is reproduction. Therefore, the union will always be between the female and male reproductive system.

    There is no reproduction through homosexuality. therefore this act is absolutely against nature and thus is strictly forbidden.

    Some animals that you saw acting homosexually, their secrete can be seen in the following true story.


    Once this mischievous follower of Satan, the terrible man, destroyed the hypothalamus of a male cat. After that the poor cat couldn't differentiate between a male and a female cat. So it started chasing both of the male and female cats. Obviously, it was not a normal cat. Its mind was destroyed. The same must be the case of the other animals.


    If you try to understand the Holy Quraan, you will see that Allah Ta'alaa graded the disbelievers to be worse than animals, why??? ....... The reason is that Allah Ta'alaa has given very great mind to human beings. When they reject Allah, the Creator, and deny the Accounting and Judgement in the Here-After, then they use that great mind for mischief and destruction. So they become worse and much more dangerous than the most wild animals. A wild animal doesn't have mind to make such killer weapons which can kill numerous people in a second. But a rebellious man can do that! So it is the rebellious man who, while following Satan, destroys the hypothalamus of animals to make them lose understanding and then being incapable to differentiate between male and female starts acting abnormally. This act of the animals is not normal. Those poor animals are attacked and made abnormal by the worse than animal human beings.

    Last edited by OmAbdullah; 03-24-2018 at 10:01 PM.
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    For the translation and short explanation of the surahs / verses of the Holy Quraan go to


    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAb...TcknAmy9Y5Bv1A

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