This weekend I was attending the Rukya Seminar in London, this was my second time attending.
The Course I am taking specifically deals with cases of possession. The method follows the strict sunnah according to ahadeeth of when the Prophet pbuh performed rukya on persons who were possessed.
In contrast to todays practitioners who use questionable methods and violence in order to exorcise the jinn, we find in most cases the exorcisms were unsuccessful and more often than not - caused the person patient harm. In some cases, women lost their unborn child due to the practitioner kicking the woman in her stomach repeatedly. And worse. Not going to mention how worse here. But I have seen the evidence and it is disturbing
In the Muslim world, we have no regulation when it comes to rukya.
in sha Allah, this is about to change.
In the UK, we are attempting to learn how to do rukya the authentic and little known way, where reciting ayaat is not even necessary - as per the sunnah of the prophet pbuh when he exorcised jinn from the affected. Of course, reciting ayaat is beneficial and a form of rukya in itself, and we do recite ayaat - but we know it is not necessary and the method relies more on other factors than the recitation itself.
Yes, I know, it was shocking for me to learn. And though I have read Ibn Taymiyyah Essay on the Jinn by Abu Bilal Ameena Philips, I found the work to be totally confuddling and contradictory in places of importance - and so - I reject that work in lieu of what I am learning now which makes a lot of sense and follows the same method which the prophet Muhammad pbuh followed.
As I mentioned above, this method is little known and rare in the world today, and we seek to revive it for the sake of Allah.
If anyone is living in and around London area and would like to get involved and learn Rukya, (Brothers Only), shoot me a PM in sha Allah.
If you want to know more, contact me privately in sha Allah.
As for the rest of your post Zeeshan young man, I read some of it and yawned. Simply because you did not read this post of mine on the previous page - if you had read it - you would not have posted it.
Next time - read the thread bro, save yourself some time posting as it's already covered lol.
Scimi
I did read it and my post was a nice way of telling you that I find it utterly disgusting that you are calling people away from the best method of Ruqya with the Book of Allaah to other means using the Pre Islamic Period of Ignorance as your daliil. Disgusting.
I did read it and my post was a nice way of telling you that I find it utterly disgusting that you are calling people away from the best method of Ruqya with the Book of Allaah to other means using the Pre Islamic Period of Ignorance as your daliil. Disgusting.
You read it all wrong then didn't you?
First of all - you are wrong for thinking I am calling people away from rukya when I am training in it and part of a group of Muslims who actually attempt to teach the authentic rukya for possession to Muslims who are interested.
I am calling people to the AUTHENTIC RUKYA as practiced by your and my Prophet, pbuh.
You threw on ahadeeth out here thinking it lends your point some credence - truth is it actually lends my point credence and puts your ideas into muddy waters.
Go to al Azhar university and/or Medina university, and speak to their scholars about the Rukya the prophet pbuh did on the possessed - they will tell you no different to what I have.
Ask the same scholars about the rukya the so called raqhi's do with recitation and why there is no real method and its hit n miss, and listen to their explanation, since you would rather take this from authority because I am just some randon dude on the web.
You don't have a leg to stand on, and I find your opinion incorrect, and out of applicable context.
Scimi
EDIT:
format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez
...using the Pre Islamic Period of Ignorance as your daliil. Disgusting.
Only beause you are ignorant of history.
Or do you prefer to believe that the possessed were never cured before Islam came to Arabia? or anywhere else in the world?
SOmething tells me you don't actually known anything about the history of possession and exorcism. Leave the dogma aside and educate yourself bro, because it's people like you who recite Qur'an on patients and when they don't show any effect or progress - they resort to kicking and beating the patient under the pretense that the patient doesn't feel pain because he or she is possessed.
Guess what? THEY FEEL PAIN.
If you don't beleive me, let me try this method you sponsor, on you - and we will see if you end up in hospital or not.
Scimi
Last edited by MuslimInshallah; 03-03-2017 at 09:53 PM.
Reason: removed insults and needling
First of all - you are wrong for thinking I am calling people away from rukya when I am training in it and part of a group of Muslims who actually attempt to teach the authentic rukya for possession to Muslims who are interested.
I am calling people to the AUTHENTIC RUKYA as practiced by your and my Prophet, pbuh.
You threw on ahadeeth out here thinking it lends your point some credence - truth is it actually lends my point credence and puts your ideas into muddy waters.
Go to al Azhar university and/or Medina university, and speak to their scholars about the Rukya the prophet pbuh did on the possessed - they will tell you no different to what I have.
Ask the same scholars about the rukya the so called raqhi's do with recitation and why there is no real method and its hit n miss, and listen to their explanation, since you would rather take this from authority because I am just some randon dude on the web.
You don't have a leg to stand on, and I find your opinion incorrect, and out of applicable context.
Scimi
EDIT:
Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez
...using the Pre Islamic Period of Ignorance as your daliil. Disgusting.
Only beause you are ignorant of history.
Or do you prefer to believe that the possessed were never cured before Islam came to Arabia? or anywhere else in the world?
SOmething tells me you don't actually known anything about the history of possession and exorcism. Leave the dogma aside and educate yourself bro, because it's people like you who recite Qur'an on patients and when they don't show any effect or progress - they resort to kicking and beating the patient under the pretense that the patient doesn't feel pain because he or she is possessed.
Guess what? THEY FEEL PAIN.
If you don't beleive me, let me try this method you sponsor, on you - and we will see if you end up in hospital or not.
Scimi
A long winded paragraph without any evidence.
Go read the Tafsir of the last two Chapters of the Qur'aan. Read al-Tabari, Ibn Kathiir, and al-Qurtubi.
There is nothing more worthy of being recited for Ruqya than those Chapters and you go about saying that the Qur'aan for Ruqya is unnecessary. Astaghfirullah.
Last edited by MuslimInshallah; 03-03-2017 at 09:54 PM.
Go read the Tafsir of the last two Chapters of the Qur'aan. Read al-Tabari, Ibn Kathiir, and al-Qurtubi.
There is nothing more worthy of being recited for Ruqya than those Chapters and you go about saying that the Qur'aan for Ruqya is unnecessary. Astaghfirullah.
Waiiit - bro you didn't read any of my posts did you? be honest,
I did not say Quran was not rukya.
You're having trouble understanding that what I am proposing here, is learning a method to understand the following:
The sunnah has a method to it. And modern day raqhi's do not follow any method which I can see as authentic.
My teacher performs rukya according to the method of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and also recites the Qur'an over patients as well - he does not tell us to never recite ayaat - quite the contrary, he tells us it is beneficial to do so, but to remember, the method is what allows the raqhi to know if there is a jinn, what type of jinn personality, and where it is located in the body and if there are more than one - and he method can make these jinn manifest in the person within a matter of moments. Contrast to raqhi's who recite for hours on end without getting a reaction out of the patient and you find, the cause is not understanding the method.
The method is very insightful and interesting and cannot be written about - it has to be witnessed and learnt practically.
As you can see, you have ignored the paragraph above - this is the 3rd time i've now put this info in this thread.
Attend the course if you are suspect.
Scimi
EDIT: this is the organiation I am learning from, and this is their page about Rukya - what do you disagree with? lol
I am not ignorant of history. I am shocked at how you think if Qur'aanic Ruqya does not work, Ruqya by a Book of Allaah, your human Ruqya will work instead.
SOmething tells me you don't actually known anything about the history of possession and exorcism. Leave the dogma aside and educate yourself bro, because it's people like you who recite Qur'an on patients and when they don't show any effect or progress - they resort to kicking and beating the patient under the pretense that the patient doesn't feel pain because he or she is possessed.
I have never had a patient who wasn't cured from the Ruqya of the Qur'aan! I have never kicked anyone. Thanks for the slander. More rewards for me.
The only reason Ruqya with the Book of Allaah does not work for people is their lack of expertise and lack of faith. Then they need to depend on the Pre Islamic Methods to do Ruqya.
If you don't beleive me, let me try this method you sponsor, on you - and we will see if you end up in hospital or not.
I don't need you to do it. I was under the shir of junuun and the shir of khawf both at the same time and cured myself by means of Qur'aanic Ruqya and Names of Allaah. I didn't need to resort to Pre Islamic periods of Ruqya like you are promoting.
Last edited by MuslimInshallah; 03-03-2017 at 09:57 PM.
I am not ignorant of history. I am shocked at how you think if Qur'aanic Ruqya does not work, Ruqya by a Book of Allaah, your human Ruqya will work instead.
The method of the Prophet pbuh was sunnah, why do you ignore this?
I'm not saying he used a pre-Islamic method. Quite the contrary, I was explaining that the pre-islamic methods did work for some, and the point is - THERE IS METHOD - so what the prophet pbuh did, when he cured the young boy who had jinn with "Leave him o enemy of Allah" accompanied by a slap on the back - worked - further, it worked without any recitation of Qur'an whatsoever - just the command to "leave O enemy of Allah" and a slap on the back. Why did that work?
Can you tell me why? Why did that work if the only method for the cure of jinn possession is ayaat of Qur'an by your opinion? Do you have an answer to this bro? Because this puts you in muddy waters.
format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez
I have never had a patient who wasn't cured from the Ruqya of the Qur'aan! I have never kicked anyone. Thanks for the slander. More rewards for me.
I'm not saying you do this, pardon me for confusing you - but you know this happens a lot. Many raqhi's out there hurt their patients unnecessarily, and you know it.
It is this type of ignorance which you and I should be seeking to stop. This unnecessary excessive beating.
format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez
The only reason Ruqya with the Book of Allaah does not work for people is their lack of expertise and lack of faith. Then they need to depend on the Pre Islamic Methods to do Ruqya.
Half in agreement. Half you did not understand me so we naturally would disagree.
Faith is paramount, without faith in Allah that all cures come from HIM alone, nothing can work in this way. I agree with that and you find this is the way we are taught.
We do not retort to pre-islamic methods of rukya lol - we follow the sunnah way more accurately - you should check us out some time, and leave your bias at the door.
format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez
I don't need you to do it. I was under the shir of junuun and the shir of khawf both at the same time and cured myself by means of Qur'aanic Ruqya and Names of Allaah. I didn't need to resort to Pre Islamic periods of Ruqya like you are promoting.
MashaAllah I'm happy for you and sorry you had to experience such bad fortune in life - but to each event, is a lesson and you seem to have the same reasons for doing rukya and I do - I too was affected a long time ago. But once again I was saddened to read your bias at the end of the sentence - we do not follow pre-islamic methods of rukya lol - we follow the sunnah way.
Do you know what that is?
Have you learnt?
or do you just recite ayaat and go hit n miss with what works and what doesn't? Thereby making your own method?
I'd like to know, genuine question. Was you taught? or did you just wing it?
format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez
Coming from a man who thinks that the Book of Allaah cannot cure all types of shir but man made Ruyqa can using Pre Islamic Ignorance as his yard stick??? Ironic indeed.
Again, find me where I said Qur'an is not rukya?
Bro, you're frustrating your own intellect here.
Scimi
Last edited by MuslimInshallah; 03-03-2017 at 10:03 PM.
I'm possessed. Ruqya is good but it is not the cure. The answer lies with yourself not someone else. I fight them everyday using Quran, Allah's names and Sunnah. There's no other way. I know some will say it is schizophrenia, it is. The voices make one so tired that it becomes a medical disease as well. I am tired but it keeps going on. It is also a spiritual fight. It's very hard and I would'nt wish this on any believer. Please make duaa for me inshallah.
I am leaving the following information in case someone needs help with Schizophrenia. The sick person must get medication from a psychiatrist inshallah. It's the only way for the person can get some rest. This was a big problem when the attacks started for me. I hardly had any sleep and I almost died from sleep deprivation.
Islamic solution to schizophrenia that helps me.
I have schizophrenia but I have found the solution that helps me. There are times when this solution is too difficult for me especially when I am being overwhelmed. When things are easier, when the voices are not too much then I go back to my regiment. It’s important because it is a form of meditation that is very peaceful. My parents and family were also very patient with me when this all started, this was also vital. The important thing for me is that I was reminded everyday of God’s oneness. This really helped me because I was hearing terrible things about God.
The solution that helps me.
1. I Pray everyday
In Islam, Muslims pray 5 times a day. When this all started all I could do was prostrate and declare God’s oneness with my index finger. But things did get better for a while. I still struggle with prayers but I still do my best which does make me feel better.
2. I write to God about my life in a dairy.
My problem is that I forget easily the blessing in my life. Hearing the voices everyday makes one really depressed. But having a diary to God really helps me. Reason being is that I replace a negative thought process with a positive one. I don’t write about negative things in my diary. I talk about comics, good jokes, heaven, art, computer graphics, good deeds that I see people doing and especially my family and friends etc.
3. I Recite God’s names
In Islam, God has many names which relate to his personality. This helps me understand God better which helps me realize that God is with me through my sickness God willing.
The following are examples are God’s names
God: Allah
God the Merciful : ar-Raheem
God the Healer : al-Qayoom
God the Compassionate : ash-Shafee
God the Granter of Peace: as-Salaam
I was really struggling in the beginning and then I found a book of God’s names. The first name I read was (al-Muqmeen) God - The preserver of faith. To this day it’s one of my favourite names of God because I do believe without His support I would have lost faith a long time ago.
Please note: I try everyday to make relevant prayers by each of God’s names. For instance God the healer (al-Qayoom), Here, I pray for my health as well as my family and friends etc It really helps me find peace. In Islam we repeat God’s names as a form of Meditation. It’s called thikr. We use rosemary beads which really helps Muslims go to a peaceful place.
4. I also Read Quran/Surah Hasr
Allah is He than whom there is no other god Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He Most Gracious Most Merciful.
Allah is He other than whom there is no other god the sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), The Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah! (high is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.
He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or colors). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: Whatever is in the heavens and on earth doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the exalted in Might the Wise.
5.I also Read Quran/Surah al-Ikhlaṣ
Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to none like unto Him."
6. I take Medication
I do take medication which really helps. I did find a psychiatrist and medication that suits me. I believe God provides relief that’s why I never forget to take my meds.
I hope that this information helps you and all those suffering from schizophrenia.
It talks to me using my own body, it's taken over my life. I have no control over my body, it's like I am seeing everything happen yet I feel like I am viewing my life pass by my eyes. I still have will and whenever I want to do something it happens but sometimes I have no control over what I say and sometimes I can't control situation that is destructive to ones imaan. But Allah knows my intentions Alhamdullilah so I don't worry when bad things happen to me Alhamdullilah. I suffer from emotions that are pushed onto me but when it's maghrib then things become easier Alhamdullilah. I believe this is when the Angels change shifts mashallah and present mankinds deeds to Allah for the day. So I know Allah is pleased with my ibadaadah for the day Alhamdullilah. So if any sick person asks you how to cope, tell them to have sabr for magrieb inshallah.
The following is not to scare you guys, the reasoning I am telling you the following information is to help you prepare for death inshallah.
Shaitan is waiting for you when you are close to death. This is what happened to me. In the Quran, Iblis said that he will use everything at his disposal to make you turn away from Allah.
“(Iblis) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path. (16) Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."”
His waiting when for the right time when you sick and weak and close to death to attack believers. That is why he is a coward.
What I went through when I was sick will happen to everyone. The only defends I had was extending my index finger because I was too weak to say the Kalima. The reason I am giving this advice about extending ones index finger during death is because it means the same thing as declaring the Kalima. During salaah one sais Ash hadu Allah ha illallah(I bear withness there is none worthy of worship but Allah) Then one extends ones index finger to mirror what one has declared with ones voice, that Allah is one. That is the meaning behind extending ones index finger during salaah.
Here are few reason why should do so.
1.During death sometimes the believer does'nt have the strength to declare the Kalima with there voice
2. It is a form of thikr that the sick believer can still perform
3. Death is very confusing and painful. Raising one index finger is simple and when the sick believer dies they will still be declaring that Allah's is one with their index finger.
I don't know if anyone will believe a schizophrenic but it is true. The only defends one has against Shaitan is Allah Alhamdullilah. Evens when I was sick Allah helped me Alhamdullilah. The reason why they attacked me is because I decided to turn over a new leave. I went to Mosque, soon afterwards the attacks started.
I was sick for a long time. Then one night I felt like a wind was on me. I was in enclosed space. It happened only for few seconds then I fell unconscious from exhaustion. The next day I was much better mashallah. I finally got some sleep mashallah. So things do get better mashallah.
I was very close to dying but Allah sent me back to world. Maybe it is to tell believers that everything going to be alright inshallah and I also warn believers about Shaitan tricks.
unfortunately nothing about god.. you know.. to me he is beyond reproach and questioning.. my understanding would not allow it.
unfortunately all my voices take the likeness of people i know.
..and so i dont know them anymore.. personally.
im ok with it.
what can you do?
im not into medication.. or self medication..
if anything what character they are given when they turn up is on them.
I am sorry to hear about your struggles. Inshallah, may Allah make it easy.
Try writing in a diary to Allah. It helps to concentrate on Allah when you are feeling down.
It is not all gloom and doom though. No one will believe me because on my illness but I have received miracles mashallah.
One night, I decided to turn off the lights of my room. For me it is sometimes nice to make salaah in a dark room. After salaah, I sat on my salaah mat just relaxing. Then in front of me their was a wonderful light mashallah. The light grew stronger which illuminated my small room. It was miniature version of a kabir mashallah. The light came from a fireplace and their was lots beds mashallah. In the one bed was a person sleeping. I could'nt make out who it was because the person was shiny like a star mashallah Anyway, this was very good news for me mashallah. Whenever I doubt if I will have a nice kabir or if I am going to Jannah firdous then I remember this miracle mashallah.
Another one happen to me in Mosque after Esha mashallah. I had the keys to the Mosque so I decided to wait for everyone to leave so that I could make few extra salah's mashallah. I was sitting with my eyes closed when suddenly I started hearing a boy make thirk mashallah. It was fast and action packed mashallah But the cool part was like I was being pulled forwards and backyards without evens moving mashallah. It is something I experienced that no one else understands mashallah. I think these sought of thikrs happen often especially when you are close to death mashallah.
Another happen in Mosque as well. We had just completed making magrieb. I was sitting when this shiny boy again made an appearance again mashallah The scene was this miniature little shiny star boy. He looked upset and I could see he was trying to tell me something mashallah. Then he sat down like me. Then all of a sudden their were more shiny figures but they were adults mashallah. They were surrounding the boy mashallah. The scene was very similar to what happens in Mosque when someone gets married mashallah. But the amount of shiny believers surrounding the boy was enormous mashallah
Anyway, this is what happens to believers that are put through a hard test mashallah. It happens also to those struggling with autism and down syndrome mashallah etc.
There are miracles that have happened to all believers mashallah. The only difference is that Allah keeps it a secret and then tells you on the Day of your hesab mashallah. It usually happens when believers are children mashallah.
Anyway, so it is not all gloom and doom, their is good news as well inshallah.
I am sorry to hear about your struggles. Inshallah, may Allah make it easy.
Try writing in a diary to Allah. It helps to concentrate on Allah when you are feeling down.
meh...
im not down lol.. im made to look down.
if you have to point a finger at someone. you know its wrong.
anyway.. im not yet one to put a finger up.
let em.
outside things are different yet.
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training day..
i would leave but it is unacceptable.
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im still tryna figure out how it takes a person 2 hours to clean an orange juice machine..
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Brother Zeeshan, I sent you a Private Message, and it was lengthy. I took the time to entertain your questions and answered them all, I also asked you some questions which I was expecting you, out of common courtesy, to reply to. I beleived you would be forthcoming in your PM but I am still waiting for you to answer my questions.
It seems strange to me that I can answer your questions but when I turn the table, you make a run for it.
I attempted to PM you again but the option is removed from your profile and so, it seems you have disabled PM's.
Why? Did my PM make you unconfortable?
I would appreciate you returning the courtesy and answering my questions. Running away is dishonorable, and this is what it looks like you are doing.
I hope I am wrong.
Allahu Alam
Scimi
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