Who does one support in Syria?

Even if superpowers are using them remember that Allah is the best of planners.

format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity

So basically, if I wanted to establish a country based solely on Shariah, nothing else. Not allying myself with any country, Not with NATO, not with Russia, and not with USA and Israel. I'd be invaded.

North Korea only has small A-bombs. Not like they can hit USA from a long distance. But China would probably enter then.

Russia already has access to Latkia, according to you, in Syria, so why would Russia care about Bhosphorous?? If they can just set off from Latkia?? Unless they can't.

You: So basically, if I wanted to establish a country based solely on Shariah, nothing else. Not allying myself with any country, Not with NATO, not with Russia, and not with USA and Israel. I'd be invaded.

Answer: Every place that sets up Islamic Shari'a that gives the real deal, you will NOT be invaded by Russia, but by NATO. Why? Because when justice is seen many people would want to be part of that. Also MANY Muslims would want to join such a country. ALSO, within Islamic Shari'a if Muslims are oppressed we MUST act. So Israel would be wiped out. So EVERYTHING is connected. If Real Islamic Caliphate would be once again set up it would stretch from Morocco to Indonesia. Or you could say 1.6 BILLION Muslims living there. ALSO..Pakistan has the A-bomb as the ONLY country that majority are Muslims. Would you then count this empire the strongest of all of them? Answer is off course. Israel would no longer exist. The Jews and Christians would be welcome to live with justice instead of secular law that promote corruption among people and try to wipe out religion all together. Justice would be brought back in to the world as has happened before when the the first 4 Caliphs were in charge. This Islamic Caliphate would have minerals, food that can grow because of good temperatures. Water..all self sufficient. Countries that object NATO such as China, Russia, South American countries, Africa..would trade and have mutual understanding based on respect and justice. ALL based on Allah(swt) law of justice. Which is contradictory for most people who are in charge as they cannot do what THEY want to do. Like the Zionist who want to rule and such.

You: North Korea only has small A-bombs. Not like they can hit USA from a long distance. But China would probably enter then.

Answer: Nobody knows how big the bombs are of North Korea. It is based on some media-outlet telling you that. If that was all the case, North Korea would already have tasted "freedom and democracy" just like many other countries have. China indeed is against all of this, because China KNOWS they(NATO) tries to hit two birds with one stone. Bringing weapons to south Korea and leaving them there even if North Korea would no longer exist. So those weapons is to keep China in control.

You: Russia already has access to Latkia, according to you, in Syria, so why would Russia care about Bhosphorous?? If they can just set off from Latkia?? Unless they can't.

Answer: Not according to me...it is so. (Correction it is Tartus not Latakia. That is more south from Latakia).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...lity_in_Tartus

Bosphorus is important to get continues help. I BELIEVE their biggest naval base on Crimean peninsula. To give you another example. A restaurant needs ingredients to cook with. If the roads to those factories that give you those ingredients are cut off..you will be only left with what you already have nothing more. So you need to have constant flow of things from one place to another. You cannot isolate a naval base and that's it.

There is a continues flow of supplies coming from Russia. But if it would happen through other ways, it would take weeks to arrive, then using Boshporus.

format_quote Originally Posted by Blueflame

Even if superpowers are using them remember that Allah is the best of planners.

Allah(swt) has made us and gave us tools to use. Logic, rationality and reason. Let me further explain what i mean. Person X goes to Syria with real intend, but he is aware as we are aware about those superpower and what is going on. Now we must ask these questions.

- How will i obtain a weapon?
- From who will i buy it?
- Who will give me food?
- Who will give me ammo?

Those people that supply you with weapons, ammo, food, clothing, strategic information..woow..those guys are such a nice guys that will NEVER ask anything in return.....(silence)....yes..they are such great guys that they will not ask anything in return.

- Turkey is using Arabs or others who are fighting with FSA and other groups to attack the Kurds....wait huh? What happened to Assad?
- The Kurds have already been oppressed and before the whole war started they were fighting to regain their lands and unite their people. So they attacked ISIS as ALSO ISIS has been used by Turkey to fight against the Kurds..huh?..what happened to Assad? Now the Kurds are listening to US. WHY? Because US wants to have a FIRM position in Syria as well. They do not trust the Turks, but as a Kurd myself i believe they will stab the Kurds also in the back as they have done it already. HOWEVER it will become rather difficult for them to do that. As Kurds have neutral stand towards NATO as well as towards Russia. So if NATO stabs them in the back, Russia will befriend them more. This off course NATO does not want.

So what is my political analysis to all of this? Turkey will fall 100% sure based on current knowledge and understanding. Not because i am a Kurd, but because i base things on facts. Turkey is bringing itself more and more and more towards the end. They are threatening other NATO countries. Already we know of Cyprus (invasion back in the 1974). They also are putting pressure on Greece by going over their borders with jets..which has already happening for a long time..but now because of Greece not giving back some of those guys who were supposed be involved in the false flag coup. Turkey is going more towards Russia as friends, but Russia does not see them as friends. They have not forgotten the downing of the Russian jet back in november 2015. They also have not forgotten about Constantinople and Hagia Sophia. So still how come i say Turkey will fall? Because they have started war with PKK and not chosen to go peaceful way. If Turkey leaves NATO..which will be big blow to NATO and there is a chance that multiple countries would also leave NATO (Greece for example). They have MORE in common (Orthodox Christianity) with Russia that any NATO country. So Russia would have broken the back of NATO without using 1 bullet. Just need to through your fish hook and get 1 fish..out of the pond so to say. If Turkey would not do what NATO wants..PKK would probably get all kind of anti-air and anti-tank weapons. What is Turkish forces or any forces without tanks and planes? Turkey has been fighting PKK over 3 decades and still has not been able to defeat PKK. This says more than enough you could say.

Turkey has always had 1 advantage. They were united. This unity has gone down the drain with Erdogan. Right now Erdogan among Turks have created Gulen supporters, Erdogan supporters and Kemalist. Nobody likes either one of the two. Division..which is ingredient for civil war.

format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity

If there was an Islamic Caliphate, it'd free palestine, rid Assad, and every oppressor. So why don't we as Muslims work towards This???

So we must have Shariah law. All over middle east and it'd extend over to Turkey and afghanistan. With Shariah Law, not even the Khalifah would dare do injustice, cause he is Allah-fearing. And because the land is ruled by Shariah. If Lybia, etc. Truly are Islamic countries, it'd be easy to take over North and East Africa.

Takve over all middle East and Establish Shariah, and all of Africa.......... and Syria, and Turkey and extend over all of Balkan, and then all over India. If I was a Khalifah (a hypothesis) I'd try to bring Justice by expanding the borders to wherever there is oppression and rid all dictators, and bring Shariah Law.

We'd be huge.

Allahu alam.

Bro, nobody cares about a Islamic Caliphate. You and me might care and large other group might care, but within the Ummah is full of munafiq. That being said, secret services are actively trying to get rid of people like us. They grab us and put us in jail because we are for a REAL Islamic Caliphate and not ISIS-bogus stuff.

So what you are saying is all a dream. That is what most of us want, but Ummah has become sick and to my observation, the cleaning has started, but Allah(swt) knows best if my observations are correct of not.

If Assad defeated, the opposition will start fight each other, and new 'player' probably will come.

Situation in Syria is too complicated. There are too many parties that 'play the game' in Syria with their own agendas. So the best way to end the war is through peace agreement which Assad must agree to leave his position as president.

I support the attempt to end the war in Syria through peace agreement. That's why I do not support any party that fight in Syria.

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb

This whole war isn´t between Syrian people and Assad regime. War didn´t start because of peaceful demonstrations. If you read the post of Simple Person (I think it was the best description of the reasons of this war I have ever read in this forum), you might understand how little part there acts the idea of jihad. Religion hasn´t much to do in this war - maybe nothing. Keeping this kind of idea in mind and spreading it, those whose are behind of the war, just keep people busy to bark the wrong tree, cause more chaos and more casualties. Those military groups in the area are only little pieces of the big game and real players move them when it suits to them or destroy them if it´s good for the bigger goals.

Only way to stop this war are negotiations. The main parties on the table will be the Russia and the USA. That´s reality, just same if you like it or not. Those big boys could end this war today if it suits to them. No it seems it doesn´t.

By the way, I am a pacifist and I am not a sheep. Stop insulting pacifists.

If you still want to see this war so simple fight between good and bad, then what party in there defends Syrian people´s rights?

You are giving far too much power to the enemies of Islam - much more than they deserve. You have deceived yourself into thinking that this is a whole plot from them and they are using everyone in Syria as a puppet and only they (USA n Russia) can end the war via negotiations. Secondly, you are saying that everyone with a weapon in Syria is being used and fighting for their own personal agenda when you have no right to generalise and belittle all the people in Syria like that. Thirdly, you are stating that this war has nothing to do with Islam when it has great significance. These are all excuses and illusions that pacifists have because they don't believe in Jihad. If you expect the Muslim ummah to sit and wait for the enemies of Islam to have mercy and finally come to some empty negotiations - then you will be waiting forever while your brothers and sisters are being slaughtered and the banners of justice being trampled on. Even if Russia and USA agreed to stop this war - the Islamic world is being resurrected and what Allah has planned will come to pass.

That He should establish the truth and abolish falsehood, even if the criminals disliked it. (8:8)

format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto

If Assad defeated, the opposition will start fight each other, and new 'player' probably will come.

Situation in Syria is too complicated. There are too many parties that 'play the game' in Syria with their own agendas. So the best way to end the war is through peace agreement which Assad must agree to leave his position as president.

I support the attempt to end the war in Syria through peace agreement. That's why I do not support any party that fight in Syria.

I am not so sure Assad "would agree". As it is not really important if Assad says even something. Russia and Iran are in charge.

This often makes me ponder about why Rasullah(saws) has talked about sham so much. The more people involved, the more complicated it becomes. NATO is involved..which is already..huge player..Russia is involved another HUGE player. Arab world is involved like Turkey. Iran is involved. I think a month ago i read that China is also slowly taking steps in involvement of Syria...who is left .

Also the interests are not like..well guys we want all tomatoes for diner but only thing we disagree is which tomatoes to choose from. It is rather one saying we want tomatoes, the other saying we do not want any vegetables. You cannot find compromise with such huge difference of interests so to say.

Russia even supports the idea of a federation. As Assad will do his thing and have nothing to do with the rest. Even for Arabs and Kurds and other people living in Syria is good. However Turkey does not want that because of their hatred for Kurds. Erdogan in the past has stated that he regretted their political game and thus KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government)(Northern modern day Iraq) became a fact. He said they will not make the same mistake with modern day North Eastern Syria. So this is by it self a confirmation that it has NOTHING to do with fight PKK but rather preventing for Kurdish statehood.

I BELIEVE it would also be beneficial for Iran as Assad (ally to Iran) would get southern part of Syria. Which mean Iran..southern Irak (shia) and southern Syria (Alewi)..and thus Mediterranean sea.

However NATO would be the loser in this, as Russia would still have their naval base, Arab gulf countries would be losers in this as the plans for oil pipeline would not become a fact and Turkey would be a loser in this as oil pipelines from gulf countries doesn't become a fact and also Kurds yet again in another part becomes somehow autonomous.

However people IN Syria would be happy and once again be peaceful so to say. ...so who do you blame...

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb

I agree that only Allah can force Russia and the USA to end this war in the negotiating table.

Allah can do a lot of things but there is a process of purification n uprising this ummah must go through - we cannot abandon our obligations and expect Allah to just force them. If you look through Islamic history you will know what the sunnah of Allaah has been with regards to checking oppression. It was abolished by Jihad - by fighting the oppressors because they were not a people who agreed to any negotiations or desired any kind of peace - read about the conquest of Syria. It did not happen by the Muslims waiting for negotiations to take place while oppression reached every part of the earth. That is like waiting for and supporting a lost cause.

Before that those super power countries use Muslims in this war in order to achieve their own goals. They exploit those Muslims whose honestly believe they are going to do something important and valuable. That´s sad but they might be brainwashed with someones whose want to use them.

They may be using some Muslims but this does not mean they r using every Muslim n controlling every group and continue to do so. Again, this belief is belittling the Muslims and giving the enemy too much power. It may seem like it but their goals r not being achieved sister and ultimately they will be destroyed when their time comes.

If you have proof, tell which part of this war (which group I mean) we should support?

Sister it is you that needs to bring proof when you say that everyone in Syria who is fighting is being used as a puppet. I didn't say that. All I have said in this thread is that we have no right to belittle and make statements generalising every group and person in Syria when we do not know what is happening on the ground. They have to defend their country and religion. This is their obligation. Whether u or anyone else stands by them or not - they cannot run away or leave their obligations.

You are wrong. I do believe jihad.

Then alhamdulillah, u r not a pacifist.

But we have to be extreme carefull what kind of acts we are calling as jihad. Some use it as magic word also in this war and they acts only increase suffering of innocents.

No one disagrees with this.

format_quote Originally Posted by piXie

Allah can do a lot of things but there is a process of purification n uprising this ummah must go through - we cannot abandon our obligations and expect Allah to just force them. If you look through Islamic history you will know what the sunnah of Allaah has been with regards to checking oppression. It was abolished by Jihad - by fighting the oppressors because they were not a people who agreed to any negotiations or desired any kind of peace - read about the conquest of Syria. It did not happen by the Muslims waiting for negotiations to take place while oppression reached every part of the earth. That is like waiting for and supporting a lost cause.


They may be using some Muslims but this does not mean they r using every Muslim n controlling every group and continue to do so. Again, this belief is belittling the Muslims and giving the enemy too much power. It may seem like it but their goals r not being achieved sister and ultimately they will be destroyed when their time comes.


Sister it is you that needs to bring proof when you say that everyone in Syria who is fighting is being used as a puppet. I didn't say that. All I have said in this thread is that we have no right to belittle and make statements generalising every group and person in Syria when we do not know what is happening on the ground. They have to defend their country and religion. This is their obligation. Whether u or anyone else stands by them or not - they cannot run away or leave their obligations.



Then alhamdulillah, u r not a pacifist.


No one disagrees with this.

Sister with all honesty..I'm gonna give you the proof you want but the question is will you agree?...

What is this proof?. During negotiations every time 2 parties are around the table. Assad and opposition. This opposition is US to Arab Gulf countries to Turkey. Whoever till now is not invited is treated as a terrorist group..which are Jabhat Al-Nusra (which again Turkey has secretly been providing weapons and such and ISIS which again Turkey has been providing weapons and such.). What is left so far is SDF which do not count themselves with the opposition or Assad and I believe other small groups that if not sided with opposition are totally alone..but the question is..who provides them food?..weapons and ammo somebody can gain weapons and ammo by victory of certain places but if fighting goes on for longer periods. .those bullets will also be depleted and no more food to eat..Are those people eating sand to stay alive?...somebody must be providing them with food and clothing and bullets..but that somebody doesn't offer his services free you know. This you I am not sure on purpose want to ignore or maybe just didn't notice. Turkey and Gulf states have been using those people from the start. ISIS has been such a fierce opponent to secular law and such. However you heard nothing from them towards Turkey..they understood you scratch my back and I scratch yours. As Turkey were providing them all their means as they had the borders with Turkey. When SDF(Kurds mostly) conquered to unite the cantons..SUDDENLY Turkey had to be involved..and fight ISIS o_O!!??..I know we human beings including I are stupid but not that stupid to not notice such a BIG OBVIOUS thing.

May Allah give victory to those fighting for the sake of Allah and for the people, and defeat and expose those causing fitna and blood shed.

https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos...c_ref=NEWSFEED

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Sister with all honesty..I'm gonna give you the proof you want but the question is will you agree?...

What is this proof?. During negotiations every time 2 parties are around the table. Assad and opposition. This opposition is US to Arab Gulf countries to Turkey. Whoever till now is not invited is treated as a terrorist group..which are Jabhat Al-Nusra (which again Turkey has secretly been providing weapons and such and ISIS which again Turkey has been providing weapons and such.). What is left so far is SDF which do not count themselves with the opposition or Assad and I believe other small groups that if not sided with opposition are totally alone..but the question is..who provides them food?..weapons and ammo somebody can gain weapons and ammo by victory of certain places but if fighting goes on for longer periods. .those bullets will also be depleted and no more food to eat..Are those people eating sand to stay alive?...somebody must be providing them with food and clothing and bullets..but that somebody doesn't offer his services free you know. This you I am not sure on purpose want to ignore or maybe just didn't notice. Turkey and Gulf states have been using those people from the start. ISIS has been such a fierce opponent to secular law and such. However you heard nothing from them towards Turkey..they understood you scratch my back and I scratch yours. As Turkey were providing them all their means as they had the borders with Turkey. When SDF(Kurds mostly) conquered to unite the cantons..SUDDENLY Turkey had to be involved..and fight ISIS o_O!!??..I know we human beings including I are stupid but not that stupid to not notice such a BIG OBVIOUS thing.

Brother - I agree there are groups being used - I agree there are rats and infiltrations in the middle causing fitna - but I also believe there is a lot of false propaganda against our Muslim brothers who are fighting for Islam and the majority of us are believing this propaganda to the extent that you and many others are totally discrediting the Jihad in Syria. This is very sad and complete ignorance. There is a reason the enemies r surrounding Syria like vultures - they know that there is an Islamic rising taking place. And Allah will not leave Syria except that there will always be people upon the truth fighting for the truth. And Allah will assist them and support them - whether you or anyone else does or not. Therefore - before u discredit those who have sacrificed everything to defend their rights over the last 5 years - know your place and remain quiet.

format_quote Originally Posted by aaj

May Allah give victory to those fighting for the sake of Allah and for the people, and defeat and expose those causing fitna and blood shed.

Aameen

format_quote Originally Posted by piXie

Brother - I agree there are groups being used - I agree there are rats and infiltrations in the middle causing fitna - but I also believe there is a lot of false propaganda against our Muslim brothers who are fighting for Islam and the majority of us are believing this propaganda to the extent that you and many others are totally discrediting the Jihad in Syria. This is very sad and complete ignorance. There is a reason the enemies r surrounding Syria like vultures - they know that there is an Islamic rising taking place. And Allah will not leave Syria except that there will always be people upon the truth fighting for the truth. And Allah will assist them and support them - whether you or anyone else does or not. Therefore - before u discredit those who have sacrificed everything to defend their rights over the last 5 years - know your place and remain quiet.

Sister you don't understand what i am trying to say, but i'll leave it like this as i already always say..understanding comes from Allah(swt) for you as well as for me.

Peace.