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    Who does one support in Syria? (OP)


    I have been wondering, who does one support in Syria? I know not Assad since his regime is whack but who? I figured it was the free syrian army or something?

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    Re: Who does one support in Syria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    He was also an engineer by profession and his father was a fulbright scholar, the whole family appears to have inherited high IQ and succeeded with high marks in whichever subject they touched upon which also indicates good and sound ancestry. He didn't need to spend time giving you naseehah in terms of financial needs, but then again he wouldn't likely have reached the status he did before Allah had he continued as an engineer.
    And Bashar al-Assad is an Eye Doctor.
    Being an engineer by profession doesn't mean he is a scholar by profession any more than it means he is a lawyer, doctor or chemist by profession.

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    Re: Who does one support in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    Lol, you can check what anwar (ra) said at the beginning - after the false flag event on 9/11/2001, near the middle after the illegal pirate invasion of Iraq, near the end after being imprisoned and held without just cause (and being interviewed by the cia during his illegal detention), and near the end when he came to the conclusion that all the human rights rhetoric from secularists was a smokescreen for the attempted secularist liberalist impositions on conservative and liberal Muslim majority populations by using "christian conservatism" as the vessel of invasion so that the world remained confused and so that the two party divide in america was utilised as has always been to push secularist liberism in the name of God. And that Muslims needed to wield the power of government along with it's social, spiritual, economic and diplomatic systems along with the military capability that is required by a government in order to be real and succeed rather than a namesake brand-name poster utilized by puppet wolves in sheeps clothing. Malcolm X came to similar conclusions.

    anyway, why would you need me to twist his words when you can research it easily?
    He was not a greedy, selfish and bloodthirsty capitalist seeking to get rich off unjust wars and murders of millions, rather he - like his predecessor Sheikh Usama - was sympathetic, soft hearted and selfless and saw the need to do something in order to stop injustice and establish the Kingdom of God on earth so that people can prosper in this world and in eternity.

    Maybe take the time to read the letters of Usama and watch his interviews rather than believe the lies of the pirate secularists if you want to be certain of this fact. Watch or listen to anwar's lectures rather than bend backwards to condemn without any knowledge.

    The way I see it, he was a person who understood that it is wrong for anyone to commit unjust aggression, but the sad reality is that criminals exist, so if a person from the house opposite to one's own house throws a brick into the person's house without a halal cause, the wronged person attempts to get justice without taking the matter into their own hands, however, if no one in that house opposite to bothers to take just action, and nobody else does, or they even join in throwing mud at the wronged person and threatening and abusing the people who have been wronged, then the wronged person or people have a right to throw a similar or smaller brick straight into that unjust house opposite in order to ensure that people know that it isn't ok to commit injustice and that injustice has consequences unless there is sincere repentance.
    If that sounds illogical to anyone then they need to do some IQ tests to see if they have any malfunctioning parts in the processing section of their brain.

    Here's how he started off:



    After becoming more vocal following the illegal pirate invasion of Iraq:



    This is how he turned out after suffering injustice first hand, you can see that most of it is more reactionary than his undisturbed and unabused nature would have been:



    It progressed in a similar fashion to the non-violent call of the Prophet pbuh in Makkah, the unjust torture and murders of people such as sumayyah umm 'ammar just for claiming that there were no gods but Almighty God, the constant calls to the Muslims for self-restraint, the harassment and attempt to force them back from abyssinya after having LEFT their homes due to escape persecution, the migration to al madinah and then the following struggles in God's path.
    All that babble and you didn't even answer the question. You seem to have trouble actually keeping with the topic of the discussion without going off on irrelivent tangents.

    And killing civilians deliberatly is not in keeping with Qisas. The Prophet SAW never did that and the Quran and hadiths prohibited it - as did the majority of Ulema. Fake scholar Awlaki cannot override that. Making haraam into halal is a major sin - even if he apparently said good things sometimes.

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    Re: Who does one support in Syria?

    Edited for the sake of Allah, will re-post after getting some time inshaAllah
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    Who does one support in Syria?

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    Re: Who does one support in Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Magomed View Post
    All that babble and you didn't even answer the question. You seem to have trouble actually keeping with the topic of the discussion without going off on irrelivent tangents.

    I am under no obligation to answer rude and foolish trolling questions, especilially where the facts are easily found, and when it becones a case of deceitful bebel-ing in order to attain "ANNUIT COEPTIS" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annuit_c%C5%93ptis from a false god for the sake of disobedience to God, I free myself from such arrogance towards Allah and proclaim His oneness and my servitude to Allah.
    Shura in obedience and subjection to Allah (Who is most just and wise) is another question and I more acceptable.
    However, I am compelled to answer due to the admonishment of Allah to not turn on the heels from kuffar (and munaafiqeen) - unless it be a valid stratagem.

    Get the behind me satan, for it is written, thou shalt not tempt the Lord our God, Who is one, without equivalent, and does not give His glory to another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magomed View Post
    And killing civilians deliberatly is not in keeping with Qisas. The Prophet SAW never did that and the Quran and hadiths prohibited it - as did the majority of Ulema.
    I had a feeling that the verse touches mainly on cases of wars between groups of people as it is otherwise difficult to make sense of:

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُتِبَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْقِصَاصُ فِي الْقَتْلَى الْحُرُّ بِالْحُرِّ وَالْعَبْدُ بِالْعَبْدِ وَالأُنثَى بِالأُنثَى فَمَنْ عُفِيَ لَهُ مِنْ أَخِيهِ شَيْءٌ فَاتِّبَاعٌ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَأَدَاء إِلَيْهِ بِإِحْسَانٍ ذَلِكَ تَخْفِيفٌ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَرَحْمَةٌ فَمَنِ اعْتَدَى بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فَلَهُ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ {178


    002:178 Khan
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    O you who believe! Al-Qisas (the Law of Equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in case of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if the killer is forgiven by the brother (or the relatives, etc.) of the killed against blood money, then adhering to it with fairness and payment of the blood money, to the heir should be made in fairness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. So after this whoever transgresses the limits (i.e. kills the killer after taking the blood money), he shall have a painful torment.

    وَلَكُمْ فِي الْقِصَاصِ حَيَاةٌ يَاْ أُولِيْ الأَلْبَابِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ {179
    002:179 Khan
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    And there is (a saving of) life for you in Al-Qisas (the Law of Equality in punishment), O men of understanding, that you may become Al- Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
    [/B]
    .

    From the first day I read it, I paused and scrutinized it and eventually left it as something I didn't fully understand, since it was difficult to comprehend how, I a freeman killed a slave, a slave from the guilty party could be killed in his stead, or if a woman was killed by a man, a woman of that man could be killed in his stead.
    After coming across the verse sometimes over the course of a few years, and with the dismay I felt at the millions of civilians who have been killed by pirate secularist aggressors, and the small feeling of "shifaa as suadr" (healing of the heart) I would later come to feel when I saw retaliatory actions by victim parties even though on a much smaller scale, I developed a hunch that it was emphasizing the question of groups in cases where the aggressor group or tribe shielded the aggressors - thereby becoming sharers in culpability, and direct retaliation was therefore impossible even though unjust aggression needed to be stopped.

    Thanks to Allah for your contentious argumentation that I took the time to look back into it and managed to find the context of revelation. It was apparent that the verse primarily applied to aggression in a context of groups rather than individuals.

    On the authority of Ibn Abi Hatim (ra), Ibn Katheer (ra) has reported that, just before the advent of Islam, war broke out between two tribes. Many men and women, free and slaves, belonging to both, were killed.
    Their case was still undecided when the Islamic period set in and the two tribes entered the fold of Islam.
    Now that they were Muslims, they started talking about retaliation for those killed on each side. One of the tribes which was more powerful insisted that they would not agree to anything less than that a free man for their slave and a man for their woman be killed from the other side.




    Quote Originally Posted by Magomed View Post
    Fake scholar Awlaki cannot override that. Making haraam into halal is a major sin - even if he apparently said good things sometimes.
    Allah knows and i bear witness that he is a more knowledgeable and intelligent scholar than most of the certificate wielding deceivers who hate what Allah has revealed.
    The wise scholars often keep silent in such times whilst safeguarding their knowledge, for the evil lurks and harms, it is usually the munaafiq ones who are a'izzatun 'ala al mumineen wa adhillatun ala al kaafireen wa yakhaafoona lauma talaa-im who are vocal against any real believers on their tv slots and high seats in the synagogues since they get their paychecks without having to worry about a knock on the door or a crusader funded raid.

    Making halaal haram is also as sinful as making haraam halaal.
    Maybe check the Islamic rulings on eating pig for less binary and more realistic calculation seeking the face of Allah.

    Anwar's comments on scholarship can be found here:



    Word search "tawakkul" - onwards.

    https://archive.org/stream/AllahIsPr...ctory_djvu.txt

    Though I did note, your objection to him was based on a truthful statement of his, attempting to assassinate the messenger when faced with the inability to dent his message - thereby demonstrating the limited intellectual capacity of traitors to the deen which Allah has revealed.
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    Re: Who does one support in Syria?

    Sounds very nice but what works practically? .... consider it as two messages from the same examiner .... rather than a competition between the couriers. .....possibly also look at your particular situation.......

    1. .....

    27“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
    29If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also.
    If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.
    30Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31Do to others as you would have them do to you. ....from luke 6........




    2.......It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said:
    O Messenger of Allaah, what do you think if a man comes wanting to (unlawfully) take my property? He said: “Do not give him your property.”
    He said: What if he fights me? He said: “Fight him.”
    He said: What if he kills me? He said: “Then you will be a martyr.” He said: What if I kill him? He said: “He will be in Hell.” ...... Narrated by Muslim (140).

    It was narrated that Sa’eed ibn Zayd (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The one who is (unjustly) killed (for justly) defending his wealth is a martyr, the one who is killed defending his family is a martyr, the one who is killed defending his religion is a martyr, and the one who is killed defending his life is a martyr.”

    ...... Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (1421), al-Nasaa’i (4095), Abu Dawood (4772); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel (708). ........



    Words of Wisdom

    Based upon the strength of a nation
    Conquer the enemy armed with education
    Protect yourself, reach for what you want to do
    Know thyself, teach by what we've been through
    Armed with the knowledge of the place we've been
    No one will ever oppress this race again.
    No Malcolm X in my history text, why's that?
    ’Cause he tried to educate and liberate all blacks
    Why is Martin Luther King in my book each week?
    He told blacks, if they get smacked, turn the other cheek
    .I don't get it, so many questions went through my mind
    I get sweated, they act like asking questions is a crime
    But forget it, cause one day I'm gonna prove them wrong
    Not every brother had his mother on the welfare line.
    The American Dream, though it seems like it's attainable
    They're pulling your sleeve, don't believe’Cause it will strangle ya
    Pulling the life of your brain, I can't explain
    Beg as you can obtain from which you came

    Swear that your mother is living in equality
    Forgetting your brother that's living in poverty
    Thought they had us beaten when they took out King
    But the battle ain't over till the black man sings
    Words of Wisdom
    The battle ain't over 'till the black man sings
    Words of Wisdom

    Tupac Amaru Shakur
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    Re: Who does one support in Syria?

    For the purpose of clarification here is a compilation of Sheikh Usama's statements all the way from 1994 to 2004
    Also note that he was never officially accused of commiting the false flag event of 9/11/01, yet continually slandered without just cause:
    See for yourselves if he was an aggressor or a defender of justice.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahh2qjh0dc...-fbis.pdf?dl=0



    وَمَن يَكْسِبْ خَطِيئَةً أَوْ إِثْمًا ثُمَّ يَرْمِ بِهِ بَرِيئًا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلَ بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا {112

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    004:112 Khan
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    And whoever earns a fault or a sin and then throws it on to someone innocent, he has indeed burdened himself with falsehood and a manifest sin.
    004:112 Maulana
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    And whoever commits a fault or a sin, then accuses of it one innocent, he indeed takes upon himself the burden of a calumny and a manifest sin.
    004:112 Pickthal
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    And whoso committeth a delinquency or crime, then throweth (the blame) thereof upon the innocent, hath burdened himself with falsehood and a flagrant crime.

    .
    Quran Chapter 4, Verse 112
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