Ummah is divided in different dimensions. Differences in opinion and sectarian ideology is too much. Can we be united..?
Not until the rightful leader appears, and even then, many will oppose him.
So - this is a VERY open question with no real answer.
they do not affect our theology, so in that sense we are a united people.format_quote Originally Posted by azc
All our sects in Islam are politically divided, not theologically which is what matters most
Scimi
leaders as well as some of the scholars are also responsible for this division. I see many Muslims abstain from praying salah behind imam if belong to other group.format_quote Originally Posted by ScimitarNot until the rightful leader appears, and even then, many will oppose him.So - this is a VERY open question with no real answer.they do not affect our theology, so in that sense we are a united people.All our sects in Islam are politically divided, not theologically which is what matters mostScimi
sad isn't it?format_quote Originally Posted by azc
I recall telling you about how in Blackburn, Lancs, England UK, there are two masajid opposite each other, one a Brelwi, the other Deobandi... bro, they are like chalk n cheese with each other.
I was once engaged to a girl from Blackburn, her parents were hardcore Brelwi, and one Friday when I was there, I ended up going into the Deobandi masjid for Jummah, when I came out after salaat, her father and brother were waiting for me, looking for me at the gate of the Brelwi masjid. I turned up from behind and said salaam and they asked how long I had been outside waiting for? I replied "I was in the masjid across the road"... their faces
Honestly bro, some stupid crap I have seen in my life. Indian and Pakistani type stupid, if you know what I mean. Dumb crap that doesn't even need to be entertained.
Once I was at home in London, and my fiance from all those years ago asked me to go to her uncles house in East London because some Sunni Shaikh Pir Saheb was there. I said no, because I know that scam. But she was adamant I go and please her father who is currently there attending this gathering in a house.
So I went. the carpet of the ground floor was covered with rolls of material to make it more clean. The living room, was emptied. Only one sofa and table remained. All the men were sitting on the floor wearing topi's, looking solemn, doing nothing, brooding. But on the sofa, was the Pir Saheb. Fat, Obese even, a belly so large it was imposing, threatening even. His legs were like tree trunks, fatty and swollen. And so, I walked up to him, as one does, and shook his hand and "assalaam alaikum"... no waalakum salaam, he just held onto my hand for ages, saying "haaa, haaaaa" as if that was meant to impress me. Now, I don't like being made fun of. So I went into blatant mode. And I asked "did the propht ever sit above his companions in a gathering? or did he sit with them?" and snatched my hand back. Turned around, and went home.
An hour later, my fiance is ringing me, upset that I offended the whole house.
She never asked me to attend one of these again
It was over soon after that
Scimi
looool straight out of a book!format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
“Allah has promised such of you who believe and do good deeds that He will surely make them to succeed (the present rulers) in the earth even as He caused those before them to succeed (others); and He will surely establish for them their religion which He has approved for them, and will give in exchange safety after their fear.” [TMQ 24:55]
Of course we will be united once again bi ithnillah
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Asalaamualaykumformat_quote Originally Posted by Scimitarsad isn't it?
I recall telling you about how in Blackburn, Lancs, England UK, there are two masajid opposite each other, one a Brelwi, the other Deobandi... bro, they are like chalk n cheese with each other.
I was once engaged to a girl from Blackburn, her parents were hardcore Brelwi, and one Friday when I was there, I ended up going into the Deobandi masjid for Jummah, when I came out after salaat, her father and brother were waiting for me, looking for me at the gate of the Brelwi masjid. I turned up from behind and said salaam and they asked how long I had been outside waiting for? I replied "I was in the masjid across the road"... their faces
Honestly bro, some stupid crap I have seen in my life. Indian and Pakistani type stupid, if you know what I mean. Dumb crap that doesn't even need to be entertained.
Once I was at home in London, and my fiance from all those years ago asked me to go to her uncles house in East London because some Sunni Shaikh Pir Saheb was there. I said no, because I know that scam. But she was adamant I go and please her father who is currently there attending this gathering in a house.
So I went. the carpet of the ground floor was covered with rolls of material to make it more clean. The living room, was emptied. Only one sofa and table remained. All the men were sitting on the floor wearing topi's, looking solemn, doing nothing, brooding. But on the sofa, was the Pir Saheb. Fat, Obese even, a belly so large it was imposing, threatening even. His legs were like tree trunks, fatty and swollen. And so, I walked up to him, as one does, and shook his hand and "assalaam alaikum"... no waalakum salaam, he just held onto my hand for ages, saying "haaa, haaaaa" as if that was meant to impress me. Now, I don't like being made fun of. So I went into blatant mode. And I asked "did the propht ever sit above his companions in a gathering? or did he sit with them?" and snatched my hand back. Turned around, and went home.
An hour later, my fiance is ringing me, upset that I offended the whole house.
She never asked me to attend one of these again
It was over soon after that
Scimi
Please tell me when she called you to complain & made Salaam, you replied ..........."haaa" "haaaa"
LoL
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that sounds awful, bro! muslims should behave better....and are you married, yet?format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitarsad isn't it?
I recall telling you about how in Blackburn, Lancs, England UK, there are two masajid opposite each other, one a Brelwi, the other Deobandi... bro, they are like chalk n cheese with each other.
I was once engaged to a girl from Blackburn, her parents were hardcore Brelwi, and one Friday when I was there, I ended up going into the Deobandi masjid for Jummah, when I came out after salaat, her father and brother were waiting for me, looking for me at the gate of the Brelwi masjid. I turned up from behind and said salaam and they asked how long I had been outside waiting for? I replied "I was in the masjid across the road"... their faces
Honestly bro, some stupid crap I have seen in my life. Indian and Pakistani type stupid, if you know what I mean. Dumb crap that doesn't even need to be entertained.
Once I was at home in London, and my fiance from all those years ago asked me to go to her uncles house in East London because some Sunni Shaikh Pir Saheb was there. I said no, because I know that scam. But she was adamant I go and please her father who is currently there attending this gathering in a house.
So I went. the carpet of the ground floor was covered with rolls of material to make it more clean. The living room, was emptied. Only one sofa and table remained. All the men were sitting on the floor wearing topi's, looking solemn, doing nothing, brooding. But on the sofa, was the Pir Saheb. Fat, Obese even, a belly so large it was imposing, threatening even. His legs were like tree trunks, fatty and swollen. And so, I walked up to him, as one does, and shook his hand and "assalaam alaikum"... no waalakum salaam, he just held onto my hand for ages, saying "haaa, haaaaa" as if that was meant to impress me. Now, I don't like being made fun of. So I went into blatant mode. And I asked "did the propht ever sit above his companions in a gathering? or did he sit with them?" and snatched my hand back. Turned around, and went home.
An hour later, my fiance is ringing me, upset that I offended the whole house.
She never asked me to attend one of these again
It was over soon after that
Scimi
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you missed the chance twice! what they said of you ''wahabi, deobandi , kafir......''..? Are you still a wahabi... Err.. I mean bachelor...format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitarsad isn't it?I recall telling you about how in Blackburn, Lancs, England UK, there are two masajid opposite each other, one a Brelwi, the other Deobandi... bro, they are like chalk n cheese with each other. I was once engaged to a girl from Blackburn, her parents were hardcore Brelwi, and one Friday when I was there, I ended up going into the Deobandi masjid for Jummah, when I came out after salaat, her father and brother were waiting for me, looking for me at the gate of the Brelwi masjid. I turned up from behind and said salaam and they asked how long I had been outside waiting for? I replied "I was in the masjid across the road"... their facesHonestly bro, some stupid crap I have seen in my life. Indian and Pakistani type stupid, if you know what I mean. Dumb crap that doesn't even need to be entertained.Once I was at home in London, and my fiance from all those years ago asked me to go to her uncles house in East London because some Sunni Shaikh Pir Saheb was there. I said no, because I know that scam. But she was adamant I go and please her father who is currently there attending this gathering in a house.So I went. the carpet of the ground floor was covered with rolls of material to make it more clean. The living room, was emptied. Only one sofa and table remained. All the men were sitting on the floor wearing topi's, looking solemn, doing nothing, brooding. But on the sofa, was the Pir Saheb. Fat, Obese even, a belly so large it was imposing, threatening even. His legs were like tree trunks, fatty and swollen. And so, I walked up to him, as one does, and shook his hand and "assalaam alaikum"... no waalakum salaam, he just held onto my hand for ages, saying "haaa, haaaaa" as if that was meant to impress me. Now, I don't like being made fun of. So I went into blatant mode. And I asked "did the propht ever sit above his companions in a gathering? or did he sit with them?" and snatched my hand back. Turned around, and went home.An hour later, my fiance is ringing me, upset that I offended the whole house.She never asked me to attend one of these again
Huh? Very confusing to me. Your story is as if i am reading a science fiction story. Are there really such people? Isn't this all culture and nothing to do with Islam anymore? Also as long as the prayer as according to the Sunnah, based on what do these guys refuse to pray behind the other imaam?format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitarsad isn't it?
I recall telling you about how in Blackburn, Lancs, England UK, there are two masajid opposite each other, one a Brelwi, the other Deobandi... bro, they are like chalk n cheese with each other.
I was once engaged to a girl from Blackburn, her parents were hardcore Brelwi, and one Friday when I was there, I ended up going into the Deobandi masjid for Jummah, when I came out after salaat, her father and brother were waiting for me, looking for me at the gate of the Brelwi masjid. I turned up from behind and said salaam and they asked how long I had been outside waiting for? I replied "I was in the masjid across the road"... their faces
Honestly bro, some stupid crap I have seen in my life. Indian and Pakistani type stupid, if you know what I mean. Dumb crap that doesn't even need to be entertained.
Once I was at home in London, and my fiance from all those years ago asked me to go to her uncles house in East London because some Sunni Shaikh Pir Saheb was there. I said no, because I know that scam. But she was adamant I go and please her father who is currently there attending this gathering in a house.
So I went. the carpet of the ground floor was covered with rolls of material to make it more clean. The living room, was emptied. Only one sofa and table remained. All the men were sitting on the floor wearing topi's, looking solemn, doing nothing, brooding. But on the sofa, was the Pir Saheb. Fat, Obese even, a belly so large it was imposing, threatening even. His legs were like tree trunks, fatty and swollen. And so, I walked up to him, as one does, and shook his hand and "assalaam alaikum"... no waalakum salaam, he just held onto my hand for ages, saying "haaa, haaaaa" as if that was meant to impress me. Now, I don't like being made fun of. So I went into blatant mode. And I asked "did the propht ever sit above his companions in a gathering? or did he sit with them?" and snatched my hand back. Turned around, and went home.
An hour later, my fiance is ringing me, upset that I offended the whole house.
She never asked me to attend one of these again
It was over soon after that
Scimi
Again do forgive me as this all is looking very confusing to me as if i have been living under a rock which may even be true to this. If you have more stories like this, do please share.
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So it is pride and arrogance?format_quote Originally Posted by azc
But that's how it was with 'aws and khazraj before the merger.
Fink about it, if everything was all hunky dory and there was no perceived drastic benefit in uniting, would they have gone out of their way to unite?
Rather they were exhausted by a senseless age old war and part of the reason for their acceptance of Islam was political.
Greetings and peace be with you azc;
This is the first and toughest stage towards unity, being able to pray together.I see many Muslims abstain from praying salah behind imam if belong to other group.
Blessings,
Eric
some scholars spit the venom against each other and their followers, fearlessly, declare each other kafir or mushrik. Particularly, Barelvi and ahlehadith scholars are spending this hatred business at large. Some of the deobandi scholars are also involved in munazra, mubahlaformat_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person
Just wanted to add about the chair though in case anyone mistakenly assumes things about the minbar:
There are some obvious benefits of the minbar, for instance, the ability of the speaker of the house to see the whole congregation and vice versa, it can also help with confidence and respect (looking up to one's peer - lol at the word resemblance) it is seen in parliaments, presidential addresses, royal seating etc.Al-Bukhaari (917) and Muslim (544) narrated from Abu Haazim that a group of people came to Sahl ibn Sa‘d, and they had differed concerning the minbar and what kind of wood it was made of. He said: By Allaah, I know what kind of wood it is made of, and who made it, and I saw the Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) the first day he sat on it. I said to him: O Abu ‘Abbaas, tell us. He said: The Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) sent word to a woman of the Ansaar, saying: “Let your carpenter slave made me something of wood from which I may speak to the people.” So he made these three steps, then the Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) ordered that it be placed in this spot. It was made of tamarisk wood from al-Ghaabah (a wooded area near Madeenah).
Tamarisk is a tree that has no thorns. Al-Ghaabah is a well-known place near ‘Awaali al-Madeenah. What is meant is that it was made of this wood.
Ahmad (2415) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The minbar of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was short, only three steps. Its isnaad is hasan. Al-Haythami said: It was narrated by Ahmad and its men are the men of as-Saheeh. Majma‘ az-Zawaa’id, 2/386
Muslim (1017) narrated from the hadeeth of Jareer: He (i.e., the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) prayed Zuhr, then he ascended a small minbar.
Al-Daarimi (41) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) used to stand on Fridays, leaning his back on the trunk of a palm tree that had been set up in the mosque, and he would address the people. Then a Byzantine came and said: Shall I not make for you something on which you may sit, and it will be as if you were standing. So he made for him a minbar that had two steps and he would sit on the third. When the Prophet of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) sat on that minbar, the palm trunk made a groaning sound like the lowing of a bull, until the mosque shook, out of sorrow for (the departure of) the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). So the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came down from the minbar and embraced it while it was groaning, and when the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) embraced it, it fell silent. Then he said: “By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, if I had not embraced it, it would have carried on like that until the Day of Resurrection, out of sorrow for (the departure of) the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him).”
Narrated by Ahmad (21252) and ad-Daarimi (36) from the hadeeth of Ubayy ibn Ka‘b.
Al-Albaani said in as-Saheehah (3/175): Its isnaad is jayyid and it meets the conditions of Muslim.
Abu Dawood (1082) narrated that Salamah ibn al-Akwa‘ said: Between the minbar of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the wall was a space that was sufficient for a sheep to pass through.
Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.
Regarding the salam though, well, the fact that some big headed fools refuse to reply other than grunt, or even appar to blank people sometimes makes me feel like not even bothering since I feel angry afterwards so I think I know exactly what you mean there.
My mum told me to reply wassalam to myself and get both blessings.
Regarding the dude's stomach lol, I find it difficult to place too much blame since the guy's probably always invited to gatherings and is offered splendid feasts.
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lol, the question is not exactly on topicformat_quote Originally Posted by azc
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Very bizarre, now i understand a bit more what brother Nouman Ali Khan was talking about, as he himself is from Pakistan.format_quote Originally Posted by azc
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Greetings and peace be with you Abz2000;
Unity starts with one person at a time, starting with me. We just have to keep praying for the other people, that they may be blesses, and then become a blessing to others.Regarding the salam though, well, the fact that some big headed fools refuse to reply other than grunt, or even appar to blank people sometimes makes me feel like not even bothering since I feel angry afterwards so I think I know exactly what you mean there.
Blessings
Eric
ah, pluck my lifeformat_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
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