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    Assalaam alaikum bros and sisters.

    Since the khilafat fell - we've been humiliated beyond the scope of imagination... I'm trying to understand the depth of this humiliation but i'm overwhelmed by it - I see the current generation of Muslims and think to myself "we don't need further humiliation, we're doing fine by our selves in that department."

    If you are interested in this topic, then please contribute your thoughts on the ways we have been humiliated and oppressed in the world as Muslims over the past 100 years.

    Suqoon: Every century Allah will send a champion to revive Islam - I believe we are in the last hour of time now - and to me that means the next reviver will be the Qaim - al Mahdi AS.

    Your thoughts about the various manifestations of humiliation and oppression are welcome in this thread in sh'Allah. Please provide references and links to the data you source from thank you and JazakAllahu khair for reading.

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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    i've got some very interesting lectures to edit, they'll be up soon... here's a special screening of the first one (the video releases officially on Friday in sh'Allah, more will follow in the coming months) !!!


    Thank you for posting that. Imran Hosein is always coming up with great stuff. You are a very vigilant citizen.
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    format_quote Originally Posted by AllahIsAl-Malik
    vigilant citizen.
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    Interesting choice of words. Have we exchanged words online before?

    here is the Q&A section for the video quote posted above:

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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    According him, America britain ısrael triangle is the dajjal. But the ahadith tell us that the dajjal is a specific person. Your thougjts?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    According him, America britain ısrael triangle is the dajjal. But the ahadith tell us that the dajjal is a specific person. Your thougjts?
    ‎السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمُ

    Shaikh Imran Hosein’s analysis is better explained in his books! What you see of him in lectures is only the cherry and icing... the cake (substance) is in the books he has authored (الحمد لله I have signed copies).

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    but to answer your question bro Anatolian, I’ll say this:

    the shaikh theorises that when dajjal’s day like a year was in process - the world was ruled from Great Britain. When the day like a month was in process - the world was being ruled from the USA. And that when the day like a week is in process it will be ruled from the Holy Land of Israel - after which 37 days like our days remain in which dajjal will be a physical manifestation of a man in this world - and in that time he will cause an havoc the likes of which have never been witnessed before by humanity.

    I advise getting his new book, Dajjal, the Quran and Awwal al Zamaan - he is in the process of writing 5 books in total on the topic of dajjal - so if it’s easy convenient answers you are looking for, you won’t get them. This study requires “study”!!!
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    ‎السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمُ

    Shaikh Imran Hosein’s analysis is better explained in his books! What you see of him in lectures is only the cherry and icing... the cake (substance) is in the books he has authored (الحمد لله I have signed copies).

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    but to answer your question bro Anatolian, I’ll say this:

    the shaikh theorises that when dajjal’s day like a year was in process - the world was ruled from Great Britain. When the day like a month was in process - the world was being ruled from the USA. And that when the day like a week is in process it will be ruled from the Holy Land of Israel - after which 37 days like our days remain in which dajjal will be a physical manifestation of a man in this world - and in that time he will cause an havoc the likes of which have never been witnessed before by humanity.

    I advise getting his new book, Dajjal, the Quran and Awwal al Zamaan - he is in the process of writing 5 books in total on the topic of dajjal - so if it’s easy convenient answers you are looking for, you won’t get them. This study requires “study”!!!
    It's been years since I've read his work, but I only ever read the PDF's. Where can I get his actual books? I don't see them on his website.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Umm♥Layth View Post
    It's been years since I've read his work, but I only ever read the PDF's. Where can I get his actual books? I don't see them on his website.
    I also read his works firstly as PDF books, until recently when I was filming his lectures in London and had the opportunity to buy his books in paperback. Alhamdulillah. He's published a few new ones since then.

    Just been on his site, and you're right, I followed the "buy" tab and it turned up a 404 error. So his store is closed for some reason. In sh'Allah I will be meeting him tonight for his farewell meal before he flies out to Trinidad, and will raise the question in person - and then report his answer here for you in sh'Allah.

    I hope this helps!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    I also read his works firstly as PDF books, until recently when I was filming his lectures in London and had the opportunity to buy his books in paperback. Alhamdulillah. He's published a few new ones since then.

    Just been on his site, and you're right, I followed the "buy" tab and it turned up a 404 error. So his store is closed for some reason. In sh'Allah I will be meeting him tonight for his farewell meal before he flies out to Trinidad, and will raise the question in person - and then report his answer here for you in sh'Allah.

    I hope this helps!
    I'd be very grateful if you could get an answer for me. The website for the person who made Imran Hosein's website is down, so I'm guessing he doesn't have anyone to run his website (and therefore his bookstore) at the moment. http://www.imranhosein.org/component...ing-books.html
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Umm♥Layth View Post
    I'd be very grateful if you could get an answer for me. The website for the person who made Imran Hosein's website is down, so I'm guessing he doesn't have anyone to run his website (and therefore his bookstore) at the moment. http://www.imranhosein.org/component...ing-books.html
    Ok, so I spoke to the shaikh today after our farewell meal and asked him about how one may purchase his books online, as his "buy" page on his www.imranhosein.org website was not working. He informed me that he has a separate website for those who want to buy his books, it is www.imranhosein.com ... it is down at the moment. I informed the shaikh that the site was down, but he assured me that it will be up and running again soon in sh'Allah.

    So, that's it really. You can order his books from www.imranhosein.com once the site is working again.

    i hope this helps in sh'Allah
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Ok, so I spoke to the shaikh today after our farewell meal and asked him about how one may purchase his books online, as his "buy" page on his www.imranhosein.org website was not working. He informed me that he has a separate website for those who want to buy his books, it is www.imranhosein.com ... it is down at the moment. I informed the shaikh that the site was down, but he assured me that it will be up and running again soon in sh'Allah.

    So, that's it really. You can order his books from www.imranhosein.com once the site is working again.

    i hope this helps in sh'Allah
    Jazzaak Allah Khair!
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    ‎السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمُ

    Shaikh Imran Hosein’s analysis is better explained in his books! What you see of him in lectures is only the cherry and icing... the cake (substance) is in the books he has authored (الحمد لله I have signed copies).

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    but to answer your question bro Anatolian, I’ll say this:

    the shaikh theorises that when dajjal’s day like a year was in process - the world was ruled from Great Britain. When the day like a month was in process - the world was being ruled from the USA. And that when the day like a week is in process it will be ruled from the Holy Land of Israel - after which 37 days like our days remain in which dajjal will be a physical manifestation of a man in this world - and in that time he will cause an havoc the likes of which have never been witnessed before by humanity.

    I advise getting his new book, Dajjal, the Quran and Awwal al Zamaan - he is in the process of writing 5 books in total on the topic of dajjal - so if it’s easy convenient answers you are looking for, you won’t get them. This study requires “study”!!!
    I second this whole-heartedly! I have been reading his book on Surah Al Kahf....

    it is a book that has made me excited both for Allah's Surah and honestly has rekindled my love for reading. I feel like a young child again, first falling in love with reading and with learning. Scimitar that you have been in contact with him makes me almost jealous. I wish I could talk to him and tell him how wonderful his stuff is. I am a huge, enthusiastic fan of his work and am always eager to praise his noble and bold work. He certainly gives one food for thought! He also is great in making one excited about our religion. I love his work and I admire his deep faith and bold defense of our Islamic deen and values against the attacks being made against our religion. May Allah bless that noble man. I recommend his work to anyone reading this.

    I am almost jealous that you have autographed copies.

    Also, Scimitar yes I think we have talked before. I certainly used a choice of words deliberately. I respected you already based on what I had already seen from you in defense of our faith. I am amazed that you know that imminent man of learning- it is amazing who you can run into. If you know me, you would know me under another name and for privacy reasons I do not disclose it here and ask that we keep privacy regarding what we know in that area. I have tried to PM you to give you details in that subject so that you can know. However, I was not allowed to PM you because of less than 25 posts. As soon as I reach 25 posts, insha'Allah I will PM you and tell you what you may be curious to know as far as answering your question.
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    ‎السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمُ

    Shaikh Imran Hosein’s analysis is better explained in his books! What you see of him in lectures is only the cherry and icing... the cake (substance) is in the books he has authored (الحمد لله I have signed copies).

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    but to answer your question bro Anatolian, I’ll say this:

    the shaikh theorises that when dajjal’s day like a year was in process - the world was ruled from Great Britain. When the day like a month was in process - the world was being ruled from the USA. And that when the day like a week is in process it will be ruled from the Holy Land of Israel - after which 37 days like our days remain in which dajjal will be a physical manifestation of a man in this world - and in that time he will cause an havoc the likes of which have never been witnessed before by humanity.

    I advise getting his new book, Dajjal, the Quran and Awwal al Zamaan - he is in the process of writing 5 books in total on the topic of dajjal - so if it’s easy convenient answers you are looking for, you won’t get them. This study requires “study”!!!
    Aleykum Salaam. Yes ofcourse he should have explained it better in his books. I would love read one if I have the opportunity. He seems to have a different interpretation of the ahadith. I need his methodology. Because I dont think the world is ever going to be ruled from Israel. It has never been ruled from completely Britain or America either but I think the center of the western power will move from America to Britain again in near future. Brexit seems to be a part of this plan.

    I also dont agree his views regarding the Ottoman Khalifa. He says that the Turks had no right to move the Khilafah from the Arabic hard lands to Turkey. This has no basis in Islam.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Aleykum Salaam. Yes ofcourse he should have explained it better in his books. I would love read one if I have the opportunity.
    You have to read one of his books before you can suggest "he should have explained it better in his books" and admittedly, you have not read one yet!

    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    He seems to have a different interpretation of the ahadith.
    No. You are wrong. In fact, he is no fan of hadeeth which contradict the Qur'an. I was going to suggest you read his book "the methodology for the study of the Qur'an" but you did write the following:

    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    I need his methodology.
    I agree. Because you are making straw men!

    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Because I dont think the world is ever going to be ruled from Israel. It has never been ruled from completely Britain or America either
    You're missing the point - the idea is that those nations held the seat of power for set periods in history in which they dictated the status quo for the rest of the world! It's not hard to digest, but you are coming across like a literalist, and do not display any signs of lateral and nuanced thinking. My advice to you is, to champion your own understanding by recognizing that there are no simple answers to questions which involve exposing "deception". the very nature of deception itself is to hide the truth. Truth claims have to be evidenced, and not accepted dogmatically.

    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    but I think the center of the western power will move from America to Britain again in near future. Brexit seems to be a part of this plan.
    Without any due reasoning, you've told me what you think without any presented evidence. This is not the way to make a point. It's a very dogmatic play on subjectivity. You need to really make a case for anything you "think" will be true, instead of just claiming "I think" without citing evidences which build the case for your theory.

    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    I also dont agree his views regarding the Ottoman Khalifa. He says that the Turks had no right to move the Khilafah from the Arabic hard lands to Turkey. This has no basis in Islam.
    Actually, he doesn't say that at all. You keep building straw men. This is bad practice.

    What the shaikh says is that the khalipha should never have taken Hagia Sophia and turned it into a masjid, where in the Qur'an and sunnah are we allowed to do this by force? Nowhere. He also makes a point about the disgusting janissary system which the Ottoman Khilafa practiced, again, where does it say in the Qu'ran and Sunnah that this form of oppression is justified? In fact - where does it mention in the Qur'an and Sunnah that any form of oppression is justified? You need to stop your straw mans brother. And do some actual research.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    You have to read one of his books before you can suggest "he should have explained it better in his books" and admittedly, you have not read one yet!
    Maybe I made a language mistake here I don know. I did not sugest anything. You said that what is there in his lectures is only a cream but the essence is in his books and I agreed you. I believe there must be more info in his books about his opinions normally. This must not be something hard to understand


    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    No. You are wrong. In fact, he is no fan of hadeeth which contradict the Qur'an. I was going to suggest you read his book "the methodology for the study of the Qur'an" but you did write the following:



    I agree. Because you are making straw men!
    You have a major misunderstanding problem. Who is a straw man here? I did not say he is a fan of the ahadith which contradict Quran. I just said he obviously have a different methodology of interpretation of the escatological ahadith. I did not say anything regarding Quran. But yeah maybe I can understand his methadology better after reading one of his books.



    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    You're missing the point - the idea is that those nations held the seat of power for set periods in history in which they dictated the status quo for the rest of the world! It's not hard to digest, but you are coming across like a literalist, and do not display any signs of lateral and nuanced thinking. My advice to you is, to champion your own understanding by recognizing that there are no simple answers to questions which involve exposing "deception". the very nature of deception itself is to hide the truth. Truth claims have to be evidenced, and not accepted dogmatically.



    Without any due reasoning, you've told me what you think without any presented evidence. This is not the way to make a point. It's a very dogmatic play on subjectivity. You need to really make a case for anything you "think" will be true, instead of just claiming "I think" without citing evidences which build the case for your theory.
    Because I did not intend to prove anything but just simply expressed my point. Some European empires (British, French, Spanish etc) held the seat of power including Britain though,it was not the sole power. America passed all and now represent the old Roman Empire however there is still the eastern union against them. I have a similiar theory with him regarding this historical formation of changing powers but there are also points I strongly disagree with him. As for Israel..Today Israel has power only because of 9 millions Jews ruling in America. Otherwise they could not live any further. They are in the middle of Muslims and it cannot be a safe place for anti-Islam to rule from. If there is going to be a centre of anti-Islam it cannot be a place other than the centre of the west. Thats the simple logic behind what "I think". If you want more reasoning, that requires a comlpete thread. I can do it later. However in this thread I am just expressing my opinions and neither I am in a position to prove you it nor you have to believe in me. So I am completely free to say "I think"



    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Actually, he doesn't say that at all. You keep building straw men. This is bad practice.
    No he says that in one of the lectures I saw in YT but I could not find it again unfortunately. Keep searching..

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    What the shaikh says is that the khalipha should never have taken Hagia Sophia and turned it into a masjid, where in the Qur'an and sunnah are we allowed to do this by force? Nowhere. He also makes a point about the disgusting janissary system which the Ottoman Khilafa practiced, again, where does it say in the Qu'ran and Sunnah that this form of oppression is justified? In fact - where does it mention in the Qur'an and Sunnah that any form of oppression is justified? You need to stop your straw mans brother. And do some actual research.

    Peace
    He also sounds prety anti-Turkist when he refers to Ottoman Empire as an "evil" Empire when talking about the conquest of Istanbul but interestingly he refers to them as the Ottoman Islamic Empire when talkig about Atatürk's aboloshing the Khilafat. He then starts to bash Atatürk.

    Jannisary system, slavery system etc can be disscused as a complteley different topic. I condemn the sinful actions of the Ottoman Empire too. I am not agree with everything they have done. However, Imran Hussein's excessive condemnation of them just tells me that he is not sincere enough in his theories. Maybe he is doing that to please his friends, Russians.
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    Salaam

    I like Shaikh Imran Hosein but I don't agree with him on certain points, particularly on Russia. Putin looks out only for Russias interests, which is fine that's what states do.

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    When German journalists asked the very simplistic question on whether Putin considered himself a friend or a foe to the West- he answered neither. There is the simple concept of national interests, which may or may not be at odds with other countries. Diplomacy is the art of being able to reconcile your national interests, alongside those of other States, compromising on certain aspects along the way. However, the Atlanticist world view (EU/US/NATO) has shown not to allow for mutual respect, nor for cooperation. Through a number of covert means, they ask for nothing less than for Russia to no longer ascertain its national interests,



    Unless I misinterpreted what hes trying to say.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
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    Interesting choice of words. Have we exchanged words online before?

    here is the Q&A section for the video quote posted above:

    Imran Hosein is a Kafr
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    The OP is not a request for thoughts. It's a barely substantiated statement trying to disguise itself as a request for thoughts.

    The oppression and humiliation started way before, it didn't require the downfall of the Caliphate to happen. During the hundred years before, the Ottoman Empire repeatedly lost territory in Europe. Almost every time, the outcome was a purging of Muslims from the territory. A cumulative five to ten million Muslims were either killed or expelled during the time.
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    format_quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    I like Shaikh Imran Hosein but I don't agree with him on certain points, particularly on Russia. Putin looks out only for Russias interests, which is fine that's what states do.

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    When German journalists asked the very simplistic question on whether Putin considered himself a friend or a foe to the West- he answered neither. There is the simple concept of national interests, which may or may not be at odds with other countries. Diplomacy is the art of being able to reconcile your national interests, alongside those of other States, compromising on certain aspects along the way. However, the Atlanticist world view (EU/US/NATO) has shown not to allow for mutual respect, nor for cooperation. Through a number of covert means, they ask for nothing less than for Russia to no longer ascertain its national interests,



    Unless I misinterpreted what hes trying to say.
    No it isn't fine that Putin looks out for Russia, people like to utter things about Hitler but when it comes to Putin even his opponents in western media refer to him as "Mister Putin" or "President Putin", Wallahi this "man" should be referred to as nothing but the worst of names, he will be humiliated greatly on the day of judgement and will have to answer for this and no one will save him not even himself and when Allah asks him why he murdered hundreds of thousands of Muslims across the world and waged war on Islam and his only answer is "To serve Russia" Allah will cast him to the most gruesome of punishments, I sincerely ask Allah to create a pit in hellfire worse than the rest specifically for Putin, Assad, and the Murtadeen and Rawafida who support them where their stomachs are roasted and they are humiliated relentlessly and tortured without mercy or compassion for every last spec of dust created by their cluster bombs and barrel bombs, and that Allah may make them suffer a pain a thousand times worse than the pain of every Muslim they have murdered.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa View Post
    The OP is not a request for thoughts. It's a barely substantiated statement trying to disguise itself as a request for thoughts.

    The oppression and humiliation started way before, it didn't require the downfall of the Caliphate to happen. During the hundred years before, the Ottoman Empire repeatedly lost territory in Europe. Almost every time, the outcome was a purging of Muslims from the territory. A cumulative five to ten million Muslims were either killed or expelled during the time.
    The Ottoman state was within itself humiliating

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    Abu Dhar said, "I was with the Prophet (SAW) one day and I heard him saing: "There is something I fear for my Ummah than the Dajjal." It was then that I became afraid, so I said: " Oh Rasool Allah! Which thing is that?" He said; "Misguided and astray scholars."

    Recorded in Musnad Imam Ahmad (no.21,334 and no.21,335). Sheikh Shu'ayb al Arna'ut graded it sahih li ghayri (authentic due to corroborating narrations) in his tahqiq of the Musnad (1999 ed., 35:21,296-97.)
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    "The Persian aggression against Iraq was a result of the arrogant, racialist and evil attitudes of the ruling clique in Iran."
    -Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid at-Tikriti -
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime View Post
    Imran Hosein is a Kafr
    what? why?

    I like him.
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    There will be more videos of Shaikh Imran Hosein releasing in the near future on Dawah Digital in sh'Allah.

    As for those who claim he is a kafir (namely some random named JustTime https://www.islamicboard.com/members/42224.html) - they've made takfir on someone without proof of his leaving Islam - and so - the claim is returned to the layman who made such a claim.

    For more information: https://islamqa.info/en/85102 @JustTime
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    Re: 100 years of humiliation

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    There will be more videos of Shaikh Imran Hosein releasing in the near future on Dawah Digital in sh'Allah.

    As for those who claim he is a kafir (namely some random named JustTime https://www.islamicboard.com/members/42224.html) - they've made takfir on someone without proof of his leaving Islam - and so - the claim is returned to the layman who made such a claim.

    For more information: https://islamqa.info/en/85102 @JustTime

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    There will be more videos of Shaikh Imran Hosein releasing in the near future on Dawah Digital in sh'Allah.

    As for those who claim he is a kafir (namely some random named JustTime https://www.islamicboard.com/members/42224.html) - they've made takfir on someone without proof of his leaving Islam - and so - the claim is returned to the layman who made such a claim.

    For more information: https://islamqa.info/en/85102 @JustTime
    I can provide plenty of evidence, Wallahi
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