Is World of Warcraft Haram or ?

format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity

But the plot is shirky. Surely that makes it haram?

Well it does and does not, depends on the situation, if the plot involves real life religion etc then it might be, but everything in it is purely fictional and ludicrous for one to believe.

Personally whenever I see or obserbe shirky fiction I tend to think that god is a noun, while Allah is a proper noun.

God simply defines idols for me and Allah swt defines well Allah swt nothing else. Still won't recommend playing it, but if you play games please do try undertale, it's not addicting and had a really charming story.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ineed Umar

Well it does and does not, depends on the situation, if the plot involves real life religion etc then it might be, but everything in it is purely fictional and ludicrous for one to believe.

Personally whenever I see or obserbe shirky fiction I tend to think that god is a noun, while Allah is a proper noun.

God simply defines idols for me and Allah swt defines well Allah swt nothing else. Still won't recommend playing it, but if you play games please do try undertale, it's not addicting and had a really charming story.

Even if they used real religious ideas, if you know it is fiction, how might that be haram? I'm legitimately asking, as I don't know.

For example, the movie, terrible as it was, "The Gods of Egypt." In the movie, the gods of ancient Egypt are shown to be real. However, the movie itself is fictional, and presents itself as fiction, it is just using gods from an ancient religion to tell a story, not to pass itself off as true or to convert people to worship Ra, or anything like that. So, even using actual religious iconagraphy and lore, given it is a intended as a fictional story, not truth, would even something with content like that actually be haram?

Not to mention most of the lore in the game is lame. I only really enjoyed the lich king story >_>

PvP is where it's at!

I quite playing skyrim because it had shirk in it there's a fatwa from islamqa saying that video games are halal unless it contains shirk or kuffar or anything that promotes haram so sexual activity and stuff so that means that according to islamqa world of Warcraft is haram

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

No play only games that are not highly promoted, rather that you benefit from it and also can stop right now and do something else. Which means almost 99:9% of the games out there should not be played anymore.

I myself was a BIG fan of Legend of Zelda games..however when i looked a bit more in to this..i stopped cold turkey. We have SOO MUCH more to do in our free time that is beneficial instead of playing games. Go learn a new language..go read a book about something..go watch a documentary..go get a new hobby that you learn something with it.

With games i mean i have played GTA5..i have played almost ALL other GTA games..to counter strike to COD (Call of Duty) to Serious Sam series to pokemon games on Gameboy/gameboy advance/Nintendo (3)DS..to a lot of other games..but what have i benefited? Absolutely NOTHING. I have just wasted HOURS and HOURS of my time.

Okay bro Sheyton does not control everything he doesn't declare which game will be popular and boom it's popular he doesn't decided which company gets enough money to advertise he doesn't because allah sends the provision on but Sheyton can do waswas to the person making the game and also shirk and kuffar I would in my opinion say stay away from games like that same goes to sexual content because it resembles a human and is basically the same as a haram video but wth killing it's different because in my opinion it's much different if it's kinda just kill people in the opposite side on multiplayer and there is no story that teaches you bad morals like revenge then it's fine because you can go out and play airsoft or paintball which is the same thing and they could just replace the guns with paintball guns it's the same thing it's just a game and the person straight up respawns and stuff also like the whole killing aspect usually in times of war your allowed to kill enemy soldiers well in the game usually the story protrays the opposite side as super bad and actually has some valid reasons in real life wouldn't you be allowed to engage in a war with halal reasons to fight? And on top of that like the whole addicting stuff yes u should stay away if you can't handle yourself like you need to keep your obligatory stuff up you need to do extra deeds and stuff and you need to go out and enjoy nature so balance it simple I'm sure your thinking it's super bad for you and unsocial but not every single person is as mature as you and productive allot of us can't just be super productive 24/7 we need some form of entertainment and Islam is completley okay with entertainment but it's said that overdoing it is from Sheyton Islam isn't going to stress us out and not allow us to use any stress reliever and like for me video games are super good because I can't go and prayall day so if I didn't play video games what would I go do? Probably go hangout with the kids at my school which all my friends smoke and stuff so should we just not play video games and go hangout with someone who's going to backbite and I could list a bunch of scenarios today's environment is super sexualised and focused on haram if someone where to give up video games it's possible that same person would go back to haram they used to do like maybe that person used to masterbate honestly video games is a gift from allah as it serves us somthing to do in a environment full of haram and it allows us to break haram habits

I like a game called metal gear solid 5 I've been stuck to it for over a year and it's super cool

format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity

So it is haram, okay.

Allahu alam.

The fatwa also said excessive violence too but I don't really agree with that part at all for many reasons and I personally think they only said that part because adults in this society don't really like games and stuff

format_quote Originally Posted by MisterK

Even if they used real religious ideas, if you know it is fiction, how might that be haram? I'm legitimately asking, as I don't know.

For example, the movie, terrible as it was, "The Gods of Egypt." In the movie, the gods of ancient Egypt are shown to be real. However, the movie itself is fictional, and presents itself as fiction, it is just using gods from an ancient religion to tell a story, not to pass itself off as true or to convert people to worship Ra, or anything like that. So, even using actual religious iconagraphy and lore, given it is a intended as a fictional story, not truth, would even something with content like that actually be haram?

Well what if there was a game based on Crusade which portrayed Muslims as the bad guys and such you Know and vice versa it would do nothing but promote hatred wouldn't it?

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

Okay bro Sheyton does not control everything he doesn't declare which game will be popular and boom it's popular he doesn't decided which company gets enough money to advertise he doesn't because allah sends the provision on but Sheyton can do waswas to the person making the game and also shirk and kuffar I would in my opinion say stay away from games like that same goes to sexual content because it resembles a human and is basically the same as a haram video but wth killing it's different because in my opinion it's much different if it's kinda just kill people in the opposite side on multiplayer and there is no story that teaches you bad morals like revenge then it's fine because you can go out and play airsoft or paintball which is the same thing and they could just replace the guns with paintball guns it's the same thing it's just a game and the person straight up respawns and stuff also like the whole killing aspect usually in times of war your allowed to kill enemy soldiers well in the game usually the story protrays the opposite side as super bad and actually has some valid reasons in real life wouldn't you be allowed to engage in a war with halal reasons to fight? And on top of that like the whole addicting stuff yes u should stay away if you can't handle yourself like you need to keep your obligatory stuff up you need to do extra deeds and stuff and you need to go out and enjoy nature so balance it simple I'm sure your thinking it's super bad for you and unsocial but not every single person is as mature as you and productive allot of us can't just be super productive 24/7 we need some form of entertainment and Islam is completley okay with entertainment but it's said that overdoing it is from Sheyton Islam isn't going to stress us out and not allow us to use any stress reliever and like for me video games are super good because I can't go and prayall day so if I didn't play video games what would I go do? Probably go hangout with the kids at my school which all my friends smoke and stuff so should we just not play video games and go hangout with someone who's going to backbite and I could list a bunch of scenarios today's environment is super sexualised and focused on haram if someone where to give up video games it's possible that same person would go back to haram they used to do like maybe that person used to masterbate honestly video games is a gift from allah as it serves us somthing to do in a environment full of haram and it allows us to break haram habits

Not really brother. You are looking at it from a shallow point of view but also from a very black and white perspective.

If we talk about games done in groups outside, there is the fun part, there is the interaction part as (REAL INTERACTION) but also the exercise. Playing for example paitpall..you also get tired after lets say 1-2 hours. A lot of fun but also tired. Your mind also works totally different then when you play games.

When you play video games, your brain mostly goes on standby mode (zombie-mode)..because it takes less energy, you also pay HOURS and HOURS. Besides that, the addict behavior of it..has no limits. When one becomes so obsessed with it, you often even forget ..ooh i need to eat ooh i need to take a shower..ooh i need to go outside take fresh air. You spend for example with WOW (world of warcraft) so much time in developing your character and doing battle..getting stuff. However what have you really achieved? I mean seriously what have you achieved? You have a "orc warrior"..that has weapons x,y,z ..that has certain kind of armor..that shines..but again WHAT HAVE YOU ACHIEVED..?? Nothing..absolutely nothing. Just wasted A LOT of your time. There is so much to do for fun even if you are home, the problem is certain activities have gotten the emphasis on it, while other activities not.

Reading a magazine for example Quest. It is fun to read and you get a lot of beneficial information. Reading a book to name one for example "The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho", it is fun to read, your brain is active compared to playing games and you also learn to read better and maybe even new words. There is SOO MUCH to do i am NOT kidding you, but we tend to limit things to only a few things (playing video games, watching a movie/series).

Also it isn't the purpose of shetan to declare which game is popular, but to get you entangled in the web of playing video games.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

Okay bro when I play video games it's reduced so much probably a few times a week for a UP to 4 hours maybe longer somtimes most the time it's only like 2 hours or less and that's like 3 out 7 days in the week because I'll go hang out with my friends but I mean if you think about it wouldn't it be better for me to go play some video games then hang out with my friends I mean after all they are kuffar and curse and all that stuff not everybody gets entertained by reading allot of people now a days are allot more visual minded I mean sure I can pick up a book and read for a lil while but I allready have that Quran and Islamic lectures that's enough knowledge for me when it comes down to wasting my time I can't stand reading instead I need somthing I can actually see and stuff somthing visual like videos or video games or movies (I don really watch movies no more and with videos I watch funny videos somtimes but rarly and then somtimes watch intresting videos like yesterday there was this one dude that ejected out of supersonic flight in a plane) but with video games it's a great way to spend my time away from the fitna of the dunya when for example all of my friends are smoking I'm not going to hangout with them while they do that so I play video games on those days is that not good? I'm sure everybody who is a Muslim and plays video games is the same way there's much fitna in this world and video games is a great way to keep yourself away from it as long as you choose the right games and are mature about it I'll admit I'm only mature when it comes to balancing video games with Islam I have awful grades tho(mostly just cs and ds in America ds are passing) so I mean really if video games is taking you away from the fitna of the world and it's not taking you away from your obligations what's the problem with it yes some people can't handle it and play all day but those are little kids most the time mature people that play video games play it for like a long time but they don't play it every day

LIke i earlier said, there are A LOT of things to do. However we tend to narrow things to the "usual" things.

- Hangout with friends
- Play games
- Watch a movie

This day and age, fun is reduced to these kind of things.

You do not have to hangout with friends. You can also go take a walk to a park. I even advice people to do that..ON YOUR OWN. Time to ponder about things..just walk by yourself and ponder. Or work out. Brother @Serinity said he used to bake cakes and stuff in the past. I already said that i with my new apartment started gardening. Also planning to make my own bread. Some people paint, some people love to mess with things (computers for example). I myself also love to improve things in my own house by implementing new kind of software with router/NAS to make my own life much easier. Others spend time learning new programming language like PHP, HTML..CSS..and thus create their own website. Some knit and others love to make their own clothes, some people buy a Raspberry Pi (small computer) and try to create their own little project...while others have fish and chickens to take care of. There are people that love to mess with their car and tune it, while there are others who mess with their scooter. And there are even others that write poems.

Brother there is SOOO MUCH to do, that is not only fun, but also beneficial. All the things that i have just mentioned are one way or the other beneficial at the end of the day. So the problem is not things to do, the problem is your creativity has been killed by games and society that has restricted you. Not always do we have to keep ourselves occupied with Islam you know. Balance.. take some dunya, take some akhira. What i mean by this is take the benefit from the dunya and also balance the other side of not forgetting the akhira (praying, learning Qur'an, fasting..you name it).