Islam and alimony

[Calmate]

Salaam,

What does Islam say about alimony? I see in some countries that a ex husband or wife have to pay for a long time alimony. I think it's not fair. Some people make use of it in a wrong way.

[Calmate]

No one?

[azc]

http://islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/7840

The Husband's Financial Responsibility after Divorce - IslamQA My wife and I are coming to the logical end of our marriage. The only thing that keeps us together is the 2 two children. My question is what are my...

[xboxisdead]

Salaam,
What does Islam say about alimony? I see in some countries that a ex husband or wife have to pay for a long time alimony. I think it's not fair. Some people make use of it in a wrong way.

You are aware the west worship the female sex, right? Just so you know. I need you to understand in the law of the West it makes total sense that the population is 100% female..that female rule with an iron fist and the men obey her and submit to her and if men where to come to this world he is the inferior sex and she is superior to him and suppress him with everything including rights. You will not find fairness in a land where laws are made by man. You will not find justice when human is the one that degree and take Allah's law out and it is man whose law to be obeyed. You are living in a world of shirk where it is man made law and his is to be obeyed. In that regard, justice and fairness goes out the window. In USA if you get married for over 10 years and hit the 10 year mark...the man have to pay alimony until you are dead or she got married again. Since she will never get married again, she will have boyfriend instead you will be forced to pay alimony. IN addition to that if you have children with her, you will pay child support until they are over 20 years old and you are not obliged to visit them or raise them and she have the right to cut ties between you and the children and make the children hate you. She can then repeat that cycle with other men and thus transfer money from men to women have being successful. If you become homeless...no one will shed tears for you or care for you..and you are just useless now and unnecessary. She can file false rape allegation and abuse and put you in prison without any actual proof. BECAUSE HER WORD IS TH LAW. Boys in crisis and are acting violently the comment from these women are...that men are evil and unnecessary and all violence comes from you..it is best we wipe you out and go into an all female society. The West applaud that thinking and appraises her and consider her empowered and revenge to the evil man sex. This is the world you are living in. It is ok for lesbian to have children and this is considered a healthy family but a single heterosexual father cannot raise children on his own when scientific study shows that is the truly the healthiest environment for children and especially for boys who ACTUALLY SUCCEED SO MUCH IN SCHOOL they match bar with girls in success in school and have healthy mental capacity and go to university and don't go violent as say a boy who is not. So if you are asking for fairness in a lad of kufar...you are not going to get it. You are not going to get it when there is gender identity crisis. You are not going to get it when they dress boys like little girls. You are not going to get it when they worship girls instead of Allah. You are not going to get it when the first shirk they did is how come boys inherit more than girls let us start our first shirk by making it that both boys and girls inherit equally. It start RIGHT there the shirk and changing Allah's law and going down hill from there. It also start when they forbid pologymy and it starts even beyond that..worshipping jesus and calling three Gods...instead of worshiping Allah and not associating partners with him. If they failed in giving Allah, his right...DON'T YOU DARE AND EXPECT AND THINK they will give the creation of Allah their due right when they did not give Allah his right. No. You will find everything they do is injustice and wrong.

YOU WILL FIND NOTHING THEY DO IS RIGHT! NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHING!

[anatolian]

There is an amount of money or its equivelant called mahr that the man is obliged to pay to the woman if they ever get divorced. You know this?

[xboxisdead]

There is an amount of money or its equivelant called mahr that the man is obliged to pay to the woman if they ever get divorced. You know this?

I know that. I also know Islam is the only true religion and most beautiful religion on the universe perfect religion. This mahr is just for both sexes..let me tell you this. But alimony is UNJUST. Alimony is oppression like everything else man made does to himself is to oppress himself and be false because he is so arrogant. Al-hamdolillah Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) created hellfire....throw the disbelievers, the unjust the criminals in there. That is a just in itself that Allah created hellfire. Allah is just. His laws are just. We need to focus on worshiping Allah correctly instead of what we are doing now. Alimony HAVE NOTHING TO do with Islam, period and it need to be abolished. It is as bad as when in india or pakistani the women have to pay mahir for their men.

[Calmate]

I know that. I also know Islam is the only true religion and most beautiful religion on the universe perfect religion. This mahr is just for both sexes..let me tell you this. But alimony is UNJUST. Alimony is oppression like everything else man made does to himself is to oppress himself and be false because he is so arrogant. Al-hamdolillah Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) created hellfire....throw the disbelievers, the unjust the criminals in there. That is a just in itself that Allah created hellfire. Allah is just. His laws are just. We need to focus on worshiping Allah correctly instead of what we are doing now. Alimony HAVE NOTHING TO do with Islam, period and it need to be abolished. It is as bad as when in india or pakistani the women have to pay mahir for their men.

You are right. Thats why i dont find nothing on the quran that support alimony. I see many men in a situation that they need to pay alimony for many years. But i hear that even imams or mosques are supporting alimony because we need to follow the law of the country that we are living in. Also lying in the islam is haram. We cannot hide the marriage from the state that we are living in. When you register yourself they ask your material status. I see also that marriage are done in mosque illigal. So i dont know what is the right thing to do.

[xboxisdead]

You are right. Thats why i dont find nothing on the quran that support alimony. I see many men in a situation that they need to pay alimony for many years. But i hear that even imams or mosques are supporting alimony because we need to follow the law of the country that we are living in. Also lying in the islam is haram. We cannot hide the marriage from the state that we are living in. When you register yourself they ask your material status. I see also that marriage are done in mosque illigal. So i dont know what is the right thing to do.

Ask these same imams in mosques if they would say exactly the same thing or do exactly the same thing had it we live in indian or other of those countries where women have to pay mahir to men and see what they do there. If they climb the mountain ten times to change that law and get a group of men to go to change it and not say, "Well. You have to follow the law of the country".....then know very well that these imam's are hypocrite, they have no value or merit and to be ignored and worse they benefit from it themselves when they have daughters at the expense of sons of other people. Sexism and injustice holds no grain in Islam. Islam acknowledged gender difference and justice, not sexism and injustice and hypocrisy. What we do to devalue masculinity, devalue man or boys...try to destroy them or mesh mash the genders together and call for gender equality and same DOES NOT PLEASE Allah at all nor in his eyes it is justice...then why do we do it? Pretty much, Allah have created the genders different and he is pleased with the difference and then we come and say to him, "Nope. There is no difference between the gender and we believe you are unjust to women and we are more fairer to them than you and come on really, gender difference is really culture and man made invention designed to oppress women by men and women should seek up power and dominance and and and...". See how far that will go in the afterlife. I see hellfire instead of paradise in that thinking.

Alimony should not be practiced because we are obeying man made law over Allah's law, since we live in kufar world. Personally, I would live in middle east, the land of the poor..and try to find food day by day and lose all the comfort of this world if it means obeying Allah's law 100% and not forced to obey man-made law just because I left the Muslim world to a non-Muslim world. If these kufar want to devalue their men and boys and marginalize them and be sexist to them and mistreat them and chant on their faces we demand gender equality while we seek out gender favoritism to women over you and and..and don't care if their boys are in crisis...that is their concern and not ours. We should not mimic them in any way shape or form. There is another solution to your situation. Remember, these laws are perverted. So many of these non-Muslim men have relationship outside of marriage (boyfriend/girlfriend) and they don't sign a marriage certificate or contact the government. What you could do is simply not sign the marriage certificate or contact the government and marry Islamiclly and under the state's eyes you are just boyfriend/girlfriend. This way you can remove the government off your back. As for these mosques who do this because they are paid by the government you don't need a shiekh to do it for you. Marriage in Islam is easy and simple. You can have family members to be the witness and you guys are getting married. You are getting married under the eyes of Allah (Subhanahu Wa talaa) and that only matters and not some shiekh or a man who follow the state. But if you must have a shiekh...find one who is not like that.

[AabiruSabeel]

salam:

It says in the Fatwa linked above,

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

One of the rights of the wife on the husband is her financial support, which includes food, clothing, shelter, etc…

Allah Most High says:

“Let the man of means spend according to his means, and the man whose resources are restricted, let him spend according to what Allah has given him.” (Surah al-Talaq, V.7)

This financial support (nafaqah) is binding upon the husband throughout the marriage if the wife gives herself to him or offers to. (al-Mawsili, al-Ikhtiyar, 4/229)

If the marriage unfortunately came to an end, then the woman will receive this financial support throughout the waiting period (iddah). Once the post marital waiting period comes to an end, the obligation of Nafaqah no longer remains on the husband.

Allah Most High says:

“Let the woman live (in iddah) in the same style as you live, according to your means. Annoy them not, so as to restrict them. And if they carry (life in their wombs), then spend on them until they deliver their burden.” (Surah al-Talaq, V. 6)

It should be remembered that the wife will be entitled to this financial support (during the waiting period) regardless of whether the divorce was revocable or irrevocable. (Radd al-Muhtar, 3/609)

There is an amount of money or its equivelant called mahr that the man is obliged to pay to the woman if they ever get divorced. You know this?

The mahr is given at the time of nikah, not at divorce. It is one of the rights of the bride to receive mahr from her husband.

[anatolian]

As far as I know the mahr is not directly given at the nikah but promised to be given if a divorce ever occures. This is similar to alimony. Actually I am not trying to justify the alimony in place of mahr but just as in many occasions, many secular laws have the same purpose of sharia.

[azc]

As far as I know the mahr is not directly given at the nikah but promised to be given if a divorce ever occures. This is similar to alimony. Actually I am not trying to justify the alimony in place of mahr but just as in many occasions, many secular laws have the same purpose of sharia.

(3) If the mahr is mu’ajjal (immediately payable) then it is wajib to pay it before rukhsati. And if it has not been paid then she can delay rukhsati or refuse the husband to sleep with her. But if the mahr is muwajjal (deferred) then it shall be wajib to pay it at its appointed time. If no time was fixed then it shall be wajib to pay it in case of talaq at the time of talaq; otherwise at the time of death. The time of talaq can also be fixed as the time of payment.
https://islamqa.org/hanafi/darulifta...0%2C8631860885

[Calmate]

So what i understand is that islam dont accept alimony as its implemented in the west. Even after the iddah the husband is not responsible for his ex-wife...is this correct?

[azc]

So what i understand is that islam dont accept alimony as its implemented in the west. Even after the iddah the husband is not responsible for his ex-wife...is this correct?

Yes, you have understood it correctly

[Calmate]

Yes, you have understood it correctly

But in the west if you marry you cant escape from the alimony. Then we have to marry in a illegal way? I think that is also haram in the islam. We cant say we marry but don't tell nothing to the government.

[xboxisdead]

But in the west if you marry you cant escape from the alimony. Then we have to marry in a illegal way? I think that is also haram in the islam. We cant say we marry but don't tell nothing to the government.

You are aware that the government is a false God, right? That is what the government. Show me in Islam that says you need to obey false God. Last I checked we are ordered to obey Allah (Subhannu Wa Talaa) and his prophet and not false God. If you still believe we should obey false God then do not get married in West. Is that hard to live in Muslim country and say F this dunaya I am focusing on akhira? What would you do if dajjal comes in then? Would you say, "Oh! I know he is the dajjal but I am hungry and thirsty I will still follow him?" Or will you starve and die from thirst if you must and be steady fast?

Remember...you need to think about the welfare if you have a future son on this matter. You will be his role model. What would you teach him at this point?

By the way? If it is Haraam I will accept it is haram and believe it is haram and take the punishment in the akhira. When Allah asks me why did you lie to the government? I will answer him, "Oh Allah! I did not want to obey the false God and I only wanted to obey you."

[Calmate]

You are aware that the government is a false God, right? That is what the government. Show me in Islam that says you need to obey false God. Last I checked we are ordered to obey Allah (Subhannu Wa Talaa) and his prophet and not false God. If you still believe we should obey false God then do not get married in West. Is that hard to live in Muslim country and say F this dunaya I am focusing on akhira? What would you do if dajjal comes in then? Would you say, "Oh! I know he is the dajjal but I am hungry and thirsty I will still follow him?" Or will you starve and die from thirst if you must and be steady fast?

Remember...you need to think about the welfare if you have a future son on this matter. You will be his role model. What would you teach him at this point?

By the way? If it is Haraam I will accept it is haram and believe it is haram and take the punishment in the akhira. When Allah asks me why did you lie to the government? I will answer him, "Oh Allah! I did not want to obey the false God and I only wanted to obey you."

Please brother read this link.

http://www.daruliftaa.com/node/5852

Who said that the government is a false God? I hear this for the first time. We need to follow the law of the country that we live in as long its not against the teachings of the islam.

[xboxisdead]

Please brother read this link.

http://www.daruliftaa.com/node/5852

Who said that the government is a false God? I hear this for the first time. We need to follow the law of the country that we live in as long its not against the teachings of the islam.

Read closely what is democracy and what is secular state and see why if you believe in secular state and democracy why you leave the fold of Islam. Secular state says religion and politics are two separate entity. If you believe that religion and state are two different entity then you have left fold of Islam period. I don't follow man made law that goes against Islam. Sorry. I refuse it. I love Islam so much that I will not let some arrogant idiot man or woman who think they are above Allah or they think they are more just than Allah or they think Islam is barbaric or old or believe Islam is an anti-women, or believe Islam is an evil patriarchal society that oppresses women and gives power to men over women, or they believe it is outdated and need to move to modern time (and believe we found the truth or solved problems that Islam couldn't solve)! If you noticed all of these believes are kufar. Do you want those believes to dictate what is right or wrong in my life? Watch the kufar men how they just do boyfriend/girlfriend and they don't get married. This is what man-made law have breaded. Family breakup, fornication, children out of wedlock, gender identity crisis, increase in crimes, etc. Man made law does not work. Simple. Canada/USA government are false Gods and in some political correctness false Goddesses. You just don't know it. My advice is do not tell the government period. The government knows there are relationship between you and her and the government knows you are married to her in Islamic way, but your marriage in Islam does not work with their version of marriage so they do not consider it marriage in their end, they consider it boyfriend/girlfriend marriage and in this sense I am ok with that they think. They could think we are fornicating for all I care, because their way of marriage is different than ours. I am not here to convince the government or to please the government or to get their approval period. I am here to please Allah alone, to worship him alone and to obey him and his prophets and not to associate partners with Allah.

Observe the kufar how it started. If you go back in the old times they believed in some verses of the Qura'an and disbelieved in other parts of the verses Qura'an.

By the way, if you read the sentence a little bit more in the link you send me, "Muslim countries, or non-Muslim countries such as those in the west, as long as they are not ordered to practice something that is against Shariah"

Another Quote,"

Some Muslims are under the impression that it is permissible to violate the laws of countries that are not an Islamic state (al-Khilafa), which is totally incorrect. Muslims must adhere to the laws of any country they live in, whether in the west or the east, as long as the law is not in contradiction with one’s religion. "

By giving government the power to use alimony that is going against Shariah! I am not going to obey that by letting the government have power over me. BECAUSE ONLY ALLAH IS THE ONE AND TRUE GOD AND NOT THE GOVERNMENT!

[azc]

But in the west if you marry you cant escape from the alimony. Then we have to marry in a illegal way? I think that is also haram in the islam. We cant say we marry but don't tell nothing to the government.

Alimony is the unislamic law of the land though but you being a citizen of an unislamic country can't challenge the law.

Islam has given us the complete social system but It's the fault of the Muslims who instead of going to scholars go to the court to get their disputes settled and we can't expect the court to follow Islamic laws.

[xboxisdead]

Alimony is the unislamic law of the land though but you being a citizen of an unislamic country can't challenge the law.

Islam has given us the complete social system but It's the fault of the Muslims who instead of going to scholars go to the court to get their disputes settled and we can't expect the court to follow Islamic laws.

THANK YOU!!! - Jumps up and down and pulls hairs - THANK YOU!!

[azc]

@xboxisdead :

Secular state says religion and politics are two separate entity.

if (their) every country is governed by their religious laws then what...?