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    What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother? (OP)


    Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

    Soooo I am new to Islam (It'll be a year this coming february since I took my shahada). I do not know very much about Islam. All I know is that I believe that there is no God but, God and that Allah is the only one worhty of worship. I worship only Allah. I believe that the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhim wasallam is the messenger of Allah. Everything else, I don't really have much knowledge of. So it's a little confusing to know who I should learn from. I have two muslim friends who both follow the Sunnah. But, one is Salafiyyah and the other is just Sunni but, believes that Sufi's are pious people. They both claim that the other is not muslim because of there sect of Islam. How come they can't just either share knowledge to find out the truth or agree-to-disagree? I feel like I am stuck in the middle and I don't know who I should learn from because I want to know both sides. And I value both friendships. I don't like sneaking around learning from one person and then sneaking to learn from the other. Please share your thoughts, advice, feelings, and comments. Barakallahou feekum.

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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki1234 View Post
    On of the sisters I talk to follows the Sunnak but, does not claim sufi. however, she says "True Sufi's follow the sunnah and are pious people." She also says that "there are some people who claim to be Sufi but, they have the incorrect belief and do not follow the sunnah and are not really truely Sufi and they give true Sufi's a bad reputation."
    True. And there no tassawuf without adherence to the Quran and Sunnah. And Allah Knows Best.

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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    Thank you @Zzz_ On of the sisters I talk to follows the Sunnah but, does not claim sufi. however, she says "True Sufi's follow the sunnah and are pious people." She also says that "there are some people who claim to be Sufi but, they have the incorrect belief and do not follow the sunnah and are not really truely Sufi and they give true Sufi's a bad reputation."

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    Thank you @Zzz_ On of the sisters I talk to follows the Sunnah but, does not claim sufi. however, she says "True Sufi's follow the sunnah and are pious people." She also says that "there are some people who claim to be Sufi but, they have the incorrect belief and do not follow the sunnah and are not really truely Sufi and they give true Sufi's a bad reputation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    True. And there no tassawuf without adherence to the Quran and Sunnah. And Allah Knows Best.
    what is Tassawuf

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    Thanks @Misbah-Abd ! But, i do not really understand or know what Ahlus Sunnah wa Jamaah, Al-Shia, Tassawuf, or Sufism is ...

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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki1234 View Post
    @umie Thanks for your feedback I've been trying this but, it seems like if I associate with any Sufi's then the Salafiyah's don't want to talk to me on the other hand if I talk to Salafiyah's then Sufi's dont want to talk to me. They say I don't know enough to protect myself from incorrect information. They say I should talk to the other at all. But, there's this other Muslimah who is Sunni and she's not Sufi but, she doesn't think that true Sufism is bad. She says there are "Sufi claimers" who do and believe wild things and give Sufi's a bad name. However, my Salafiyah friends are all like "whatever she's Sufi she has Sufi beliefs. Stay away from her." I want to learn both and I want to be friends with both of my sisters However, I think I will have to just tell the Salafiyah sister that i talk to this I other sister that believes differently.... IDK maybe I should just keep it to myself because I don't think the Salafiyah sister will talk to me if she knows my other friends beliefs.... or even some of my own beleifs- - - Updated - - -thank you @azc for your feedback. I like the idea of staying away from sects. If anything I claim to follow the sunnah. However even that can be divided. Why do people act like I have to claim a sub-sect?- - - Updated - - -Thank you so much @99sobi I agree with alot of what ypu said however I still dont understand why some people say that the Quran say that there will be 73 sects but only one is true
    keep in touch with all your friends. RasulAllah s.a.w even prayed the salah of ibn saloon, the worst munafiq.
    What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    Allah (swt) knows best

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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    keep in touch with all your friends. RasulAllah s.a.w even prayed the salah of ibn saloon, the worst munafiq.
    Thank you @azc . Unfortunately there is too much arabic in your response and I have no idea what the second half of your response means

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki1234 View Post
    Thank you @azc . Unfortunately there is too much arabic in your response and I have no idea what the second half of your response means
    Ibn Salool was the leader of hypocrites. When he died, our prophet (pbuh) participated in his funeral prayer. Your friend who thinks that all sufis are not bad, is correct.
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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki1234 View Post
    Thank you @Zzz_ One of the sisters I talk to follows the Sunnah but, does not claim sufi. however, she says "True Sufi's follow the sunnah and are pious people." She also says that "there are some people who claim to be Sufi but, they have the incorrect belief and do not follow the sunnah and are not really truely Sufi and they give true Sufi's a bad reputation."


    There are some who call themselves sufi, or shia but they are Muslims. Think of it like looking at different depths of water in a pool. Everyone is at a different level in their belief and faith. A hardcore sufi or shia wouldn't be considered a Muslim because they have involved themselves in matters that take you out of the fold of Islam. For example, these sufi believe that you can become one with Allah. And there are some who call themselves by these labels but aren't that deep in these beliefs so they Islam is still intact.

    But in general, following these other sects will only lead to misguidance. In Islam, there is only one right path and all other are deviant, no matter how they try to justify it.

    The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, drew a line with his hand and he said, “This is the straight path of Allah.” Then the Prophet drew lines to the right and left, and he said, “These are other paths, and there is no path among them but that a devil is upon it calling to its way.” Then the Prophet recited the verse, “Verily, this is the straight path, so follow it and do not follow other paths.” (6:153)

    And that straight path, in an another narration, he said was that of one who follows the Quran and Sunnah.



    i do not really understand or know what Ahlus Sunnah wa Jamaah, Al-Shia, Tassawuf, or Sufism is
    Prophet () said: “The Jews split into seventy-one sects, and the Christians split into seventy-two sects. My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of which will be in Hell except one.” It was asked, “Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Those who follow the same path as I and my companions are on today.”

    Among those sects in Islam are:

    Ahlus Sunnah wa Jamaah (the group[jamaah] that follows the sunnah[prophetic tradition]) aka Sunni make up 85% of Muslims

    Al-shia or shia is the 2nd biggest sect/denomination making up 10% of the world Muslims; rest fall into the last 5%


    al-soofiyyah (Sufism) in it's correct meaning refers to wearing woollen clothes; but normally it's referred to as "mysticism" of islam. Those who follow are it are called sufi.

    Tasawwuf is used interchangeablly with sufism as a synonym but by definition most like to describe it dealing with the internal feelings and states of the heart. The term tasawwuf is not found in the Quran or the hadith (prophet's sayings), rather the word used in the Quran and hadith are ihsan.
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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    One of the misconceptions people think of Suffiyah is they think that Sufis identify themselves as a sectarian division. That is not correct. As Abdul Qadir Gailani says Suffiyah is a state of being but not a title you can label yourself with. You can only achieve this level by training your nafs. No one can become a Sufi just by calling himself one. Real Sufis do not call themselves as Sufis either unlike many of the other sectarian groups. I for example want to be Sufi but am far away from being one at the moment so cannot call myself one. So Suffiyah cannot be identified as a sectarian group.
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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also described them in the following terms: “My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.”

    It does not matter which sect you follow. At the time of the Prophet, there were no sects; they only followed what was decreed for them in the Sunnah and the Qur'an, so we, too, should follow just the Sunnah and the Qur'an. The Prophet said:

    “I have left among you two matters by holding fast to which, you shall never be misguided: the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.”

    And Sufi and Salafi are like two sides of the same coin, they both go to their extremes. Some Sufis are so extreme that they engage in bid'ah and spend all their time doing actions which are not in the sunnah and tiring/starving themselves, claiming to get closer to Allah. While Salafis are extreme in their intolerant and literal interpretation, labelling others as non-Muslims when they have no right to do so, etc

    The Qur'an says to the People of the Book (Gospel but this applies to others as well), "O People of the Scripture the Gospel do not go to extremes do not go beyond the bounds in your religion". (Tafsir Jalalayn) If you follow the Qur'an and the sunnah, you will never go astray. If you spend all your time thinking about these different interpretations, you will keep on going in circles and you will be misguided from the straight path.

    The Qur'an says, "If you should quarrel disagree about anything refer it to God that is to His Book and the Messenger while he lives and thereafter refer to his Sunna in other words examine these disputes with reference to these two sources if you believe in God and the Last Day; that reference to the two sources is better for you than quarrelling or adhering to personal opinions and more excellent in interpretation in the end." (Tafsir Jalalayn)
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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    Thank you @Zzz_ for clarifying

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    Thank you @Zzz_ , @azc , @Misbah-Abd , @anatolian , and @99sobi for clarifying

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    Thank you evryone your feedback is sincerely appreciated
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    Re: What's the deal with the Sufi and Salafiyyah???? Why do they fight eachother?

    You're welcome

    The first 2 years are always harder and confusing. Many Muslims will tell you what is Islam and and what isn't, often times it's what their culture taught them or they heard from parents/adults growing up. Always ask for proof from the Quran and sunnah and always do your own research on it.

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