The Theory of Evolution is a Fantasy.

format_quote Originally Posted by reyditia

Yes , I even heard that it is formed in 7 days , do you believe that ?

We defined one day as the time the sun needs to "travel" across the sky and make one full orbit.
When Allah created the universe, there was no Earth, sun or moon...so no years, months days or hours.
So, 7 days in the Quran does not have to mean 7 Earthly days.
sure you have heard how time can be experienced totally different in thehereafter.
one second on Earth can take several years on thehereafter...or vice versa, several decades on Earth can be experienced as seconds in thehereafter.
also 7, 70, 70.000 can be used differently in Arabic for what I know.
like in english saying something like "I've already told you 100 (or 1000) times"...you do not actually mean 100 or 1000...but you mean a lot.

Islam does not at all agree with Darwinian evolution.The one who says so is going against the consensus of the Scholors and must repent.Darwinian evolution says that all living things have arisen from one single PROKARYOTE.Secondly,Darwinian evolution has no evidence.It is based on assumptions.Scientists cannot even consider creation.As it is clearly unthinkable from secular point of view.But as said in the video,We can prove the existence of God by proving that it is impossible for things to have been created by their own,hence,showing that there has to be intelligent design.The few attempts to create life in the laboratory,had to have some artificially induced and created situations in these experiments.Also,please research about law of Thermodynamics.

format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1

Islam does not at all agree with Darwinian evolution.The one who says so is going against the consensus of the Scholors and must repent.Darwinian evolution says that all living things have arisen from one single PROKARYOTE.Secondly,Darwinian evolution has no evidence.It is based on assumptions.Scientists cannot even consider creation.As it is clearly unthinkable from secular point of view.But as said in the video,We can prove the existence of God by proving that it is impossible for things to have been created by their own,hence,showing that there has to be intelligent design.The few attempts to create life in the laboratory,had to have some artificially induced and created situations in these experiments.Also,please research about law of Thermodynamics.

Dear brother,
Sorry to say this, but I see here some arguments without properly backing it up.

Islam does not have to agree with Darwinian evolution. Islam is a fact. In science, we just collects the facts and trie to come up with an explanation for them. we develop theories and test those, and then we modify our original theory. that is how science works. indeed, some assumptions are being made, but always in combination with facts.
About the Darwinian evolution. Facts point in the direction of evolution (I am not saying that it is proven...but they point in that direction.) Darwin came up with this theory of evolution. I am not saying that evolution fully took place as Darwin described it. I am sure there are some errors in it which will be proven in the near future.
But what I mean: Allah could have used the evolution as a tool for his creation...So I think that evolution is pretty plausible...we must not rule that option out.
whether or not everything existed out of a single proka-something does not make a difference.

In classical laws of physics for example everyone agreed proven that speeds in exactly the same direction could be added up.
if you are in a train moving forward with 100mph and you stand up and walk towards the front of the train with 5mph, then your speed would be 100+5=105mph.

this was always logical...and it was proven...but then came Einstein and he has proven this unnaccurate for speeds approaching light speed.

So science develops all the time.

format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1

Islam does not at all agree with Darwinian evolution.The one who says so is going against the consensus of the Scholors and must repent.

scholars are fallible

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but consensus of scholars is protected from error

did allah say that?

while hadith are fundamental, hadith are also fallible too.

i dont disagree brother.

no, i am not a hadith rejector. i just approach hadith with modesty and stay intuned to the fact that hadith are fallible.

as for the quran quote, believing that darwinism is deserving of more investigation instead of being blindly ignored because of hadith is not opposing muhammads (pbuh) message or deem a person and unbliever.

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*nor deem a person an unbeliever

sorry, dont know how to edit a post on here yet

format_quote Originally Posted by Peacefully

no, i am not a hadith rejector. i just approach hadith with modesty and stay intuned to the fact that hadith are fallible.

as for the quran quote, believing that darwinism is deserving of more investigation instead of being blindly ignored because of hadith is not opposing muhammads (pbuh) message or deem a person and unbliever.

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*nor deem a person an unbeliever

sorry, dont know how to edit a post on here yet

When we have Quran and ahadith in our hands then what is the need to believe in any other 'ISM

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When we have Quran and ahadith in our hands then what is the need to believe in any other 'ISM

“Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim.”

Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 224

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no need to believe in any other 'ism, but knowing (seeking knowledge) is an obligation.

i do not say you are wrong for not believing in darwinism, but telling someone they are wrong for learning it is unislamic.

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“Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim.”

Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 224

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no need to believe in any other 'ism, but knowing (seeking knowledge) is an obligation.

i do not say you are wrong for not believing in darwinism, but telling someone they are wrong for learning it is unislamic.

“Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim.”

Yes, here obligation meant to getting the basic knowledge of shariah which enables you to differentiate between haram and halal.

"O Allah, I seek beneficial knowledge, wide sustenance and cure from all ailments from You".
(Hisnul Hasin)

And the knowledge which goes against the Islamic shariah in any form is harmful for iman.

i leave it to god (quran) to tell me what is not beneficial knowledge as humans are fallible.

i will agree to disagree.

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i feel you can not say something is wrong, haram or against shariah if you have no knowledge of it.

I did not click the link but....

Evolution is real (not the humans came from monkeys part) but things change over time...etc. God created evolution, science, the solar system, nature...and how it all works.

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

Yes, here obligation meant to getting the basic knowledge of shariah which enables you to differentiate between haram and halal.

"O Allah, I seek beneficial knowledge, wide sustenance and cure from all ailments from You".
(Hisnul Hasin)

And the knowledge which goes against the Islamic shariah in any form is harmful for iman.

Brother, I would have to disagree with you there. Seeking beneficial knowledge is something and actively looking for it is something else. You can never know if something is fully useful to you or not until you study it thoroughly and attaining as much of information as you can to give it a fair case. For example, if you and i were to look into the usefulness of making a full multi-billion-dollar organisation like NASA just to send people and advanced telescopes in to space, we would probably quickly dismiss the idea as we would feel that it is completely useless to look into the void not knowing what to look for. However, God ordered us to do so in many things, even ourselves. He ordered us to ponder about how he created the heavens and earth, humans and animals, plants, rivers and mountains. All of theses’ origins ... If we (as humans) didnt send those advanced telescopes to space, we would not have been able to definitively confirm the bigbang theory Proving what Allah has already stated in the Quran 1400 years ago. Likewise, evolution and the origins of life. When you look into evolution and carefully study it, you will find that the logic behind it is almost infallible (i say almost!).

HOWEVER, when it comes to the origins of humans. Thats where we, as muslims, draw the line. This is because there are plenty of saheeh ahadeeths (From what i have been told) that talk about the formation of Adam and is origins, so we cannot say that evolution applies to him. On the other hand, there is no mention of the origins of the other living creatures on earth, and that is why we can apply the theory of evolution to other earthly beings without contradicting our Religion. Hope this clears things up a little ...

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format_quote Originally Posted by azc

Yes, here obligation meant to getting the basic knowledge of shariah which enables you to differentiate between haram and halal.

"O Allah, I seek beneficial knowledge, wide sustenance and cure from all ailments from You".
(Hisnul Hasin)

And the knowledge which goes against the Islamic shariah in any form is harmful for iman.

Brother, I would have to disagree with you there. Seeking beneficial knowledge is something and actively looking for it is something else. You can never know if something is fully useful to you or not until you study it thoroughly and attaining as much of information as you can to give it a fair case. For example, if you and i were to look into the usefulness of making a full multi-billion-dollar organisation like NASA just to send people and advanced telescopes in to space, we would probably quickly dismiss the idea as we would feel that it is completely useless to look into the void not knowing what to look for. However, God ordered us to do so in many things, even ourselves. He ordered us to ponder about how he created the heavens and earth, humans and animals, plants, rivers and mountains. All of theses’ origins ... If we (as humans) didnt send those advanced telescopes to space, we would not have been able to definitively confirm the bigbang theory Proving what Allah has already stated in the Quran 1400 years ago. Likewise, evolution and the origins of life. When you look into evolution and carefully study it, you will find that the logic behind it is almost infallible (i say almost!).

HOWEVER, when it comes to the origins of humans. Thats where we, as muslims, draw the line. This is because there are plenty of saheeh ahadeeths (From what i have been told) that talk about the formation of Adam and is origins, so we cannot say that evolution applies to him. On the other hand, there is no mention of the origins of the other living creatures on earth, and that is why we can apply the theory of evolution to other earthly beings without contradicting our Religion. Hope this clears things up a little ...

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO

Brother, I would have to disagree with you there. Seeking beneficial knowledge is something and actively looking for it is something else. You can never know if something is fully useful to you or not until you study it thoroughly and attaining as much of information as you can to give it a fair case. For example, if you and i were to look into the usefulness of making a full multi-billion-dollar organisation like NASA just to send people and advanced telescopes in to space, we would probably quickly dismiss the idea as we would feel that it is completely useless to look into the void not knowing what to look for. However, God ordered us to do so in many things, even ourselves. He ordered us to ponder about how he created the heavens and earth, humans and animals, plants, rivers and mountains. All of theses’ origins ... If we (as humans) didnt send those advanced telescopes to space, we would not have been able to definitively confirm the bigbang theory Proving what Allah has already stated in the Quran 1400 years ago. Likewise, evolution and the origins of life. When you look into evolution and carefully study it, you will find that the logic behind it is almost infallible (i say almost!).

HOWEVER, when it comes to the origins of humans. Thats where we, as muslims, draw the line. This is because there are plenty of saheeh ahadeeths (From what i have been told) that talk about the formation of Adam and is origins, so we cannot say that evolution applies to him. On the other hand, there is no mention of the origins of the other living creatures on earth, and that is why we can apply the theory of evolution to other earthly beings without contradicting our Religion. Hope this clears things up a little ...

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Brother, I would have to disagree with you there. Seeking beneficial knowledge is something and actively looking for it is something else. You can never know if something is fully useful to you or not until you study it thoroughly and attaining as much of information as you can to give it a fair case. For example, if you and i were to look into the usefulness of making a full multi-billion-dollar organisation like NASA just to send people and advanced telescopes in to space, we would probably quickly dismiss the idea as we would feel that it is completely useless to look into the void not knowing what to look for. However, God ordered us to do so in many things, even ourselves. He ordered us to ponder about how he created the heavens and earth, humans and animals, plants, rivers and mountains. All of theses’ origins ... If we (as humans) didnt send those advanced telescopes to space, we would not have been able to definitively confirm the bigbang theory Proving what Allah has already stated in the Quran 1400 years ago. Likewise, evolution and the origins of life. When you look into evolution and carefully study it, you will find that the logic behind it is almost infallible (i say almost!).

HOWEVER, when it comes to the origins of humans. Thats where we, as muslims, draw the line. This is because there are plenty of saheeh ahadeeths (From what i have been told) that talk about the formation of Adam and is origins, so we cannot say that evolution applies to him. On the other hand, there is no mention of the origins of the other living creatures on earth, and that is why we can apply the theory of evolution to other earthly beings without contradicting our Religion. Hope this clears things up a little ...

in short, if you are a scientist and do research and it makes you closer to Allah swt then it's beneficial knowledge but if you become an atheist, it's not beneficial, rather it changes into an haram act as you will mislead other Muslims as well.

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

in short, if you are a scientist and do research and it makes you closer to Allah swt then it's beneficial knowledge but if you become an atheist, it's not beneficial, rather it changes into an haram act as you will mislead other Muslims as well.

I am not sure of this. If you keep your conclusions based on facts...not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice...then it should not mislead other Muslims. As a scientist your goal is to discover the unknown, not to persuade Muslims into atheism.
Under these conditions, the knowledge of this particular atheist scientist, could still bring Muslims closer to Allah....and therefore be beneficial.

In fact...isn't all knowledge beneficial? of course there can be personal information sometimes which is better for you to not know...but I mean knowledge in general...can that be unbeneficial, and if yes, can you give one example of unbeneficial knowledge?

How I think about unbeneficial knowledge is this:
knowledge is like a weapon. in the hands of the goods, the weapon is good. in the hands of the wrong, the weapon is bad. But the weapon on its own is good nor bad.
the same with knowledge. The same knowledge who brings someone closer to Allah can cause some other away from Allah and therefore becom unbeneficial for this person.
like evolution...evolution appearantly was unbeneficial to Darwin...but to me personally it is beneficial knowledge because know I understand better how Allah created us Alhamdulillah.