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    Hi all. I am or was a Muslim but slowly and slowly feel like losing my faith. Why? How come Allah will send some people to heaven just cause of kalimah but a Jew or a Christian or atheist who spent their entire life in suffering to help others will go to hell?
    Doesn't make sense

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    Greetings and peace be with you lost_one; and welcome tot he forum,

    Study and reflect on the 99 names of Allah. Allah is compassionate, so he will be far more compassionate than you or me. Allah is forgiving, and this is mentioned three times in his names, he is merciful just and righteous. When you reflect on his names, it seems Allah wants to be merciful more than he wants to punish.

    In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God,

    Eric
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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thanks for your effort. You don't understand what I am saying.

    I'll simplify it. Let's say there are 3 major laws. All of them similar and dissimilar in certain ways. OBEY ONE,BREAK THE OTHER TWO. All three preclude the others. Lots of info and disinfo about all three. Many people following one of the three laws. But only one is correct. Proper research and dedication can guide one to the one but realistically it's not possible for everyone to do this.

    Now tell me. If you ended up obeying the wrong law is it still just/fair?
    Rub is that something is etched in your mind and you are considering this issue I've raised through the glasses of that particular mentality.

    First take this one and then, wait, I'll take all your fallacious reasoning one by one. InshaAllah

    So , come again instead of running away from answering the simple Qs...

    I again ask, now one by one.

    Do you think if law abiding citizens of your country and traitors are equal..?

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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post

    I again ask, now one by one.

    Do you think if law abiding citizens of your country and traitors are equal..?
    Thank you user azc for your time.

    As for the answer. No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umie View Post
    I am sorry to hear this. Hope you will gain your faith back soon inshaallah.
    You are forgetting your purpose why you are on Earth. Your purpose is to pass a test. The test is about believing in our one and only God or not. you can do great things on earth (And you will be rewarded greatly for your efforts, here on earth or temporarily in thehereafter...but if you do not believe in God or reject Islam, then you will not pass the test. your eventual destiny will be Hell.

    Just like a regular math test. you can make the most beautiful drawings during a math test, but if you do not know the answer, you will not pass the test.

    Allah gives a lot of signs to show you he is there. your task is to see those signs, and recognize our God behind it. It makes very much sense.
    in fact, you will be given a lot of chances. if you even have faith in God by the weight of a mustard seed, you eventually will go to heaven inshaallah.
    which means is that you actively has to do a lot wrong to deserve hell for eternity.


    For what I know is that they can also be rewarded in Barzaq (the waiting period in the grave)
    the grave can be like one of the gardens of Heaven or one of the pits of Hell. Those people who did many good deeds, but reject Islam will be rewarded greatly for their actions on Earth in the Barzaq but when judgement day comes...and they already received their rewards...and no longer have good deeds to be rewarded anymore...but just sins because of their disbelief...they will go to Hell.
    the difference:
    Heaven and Hell are both eternal. you will not leave once you are in one of them.
    Barzaq can be a temporary heaven or hell. just to even good and bad deeds out. thanks to Barzaq, believers on judgement day will not have sins to pay for, because they already paid for their sins in the grave, and non believers will not have good deeds to get rewarded for because they are rewarded in the grave.
    Allah is just to everyone.


    That is not true. If you did not hear about Islam but you still believe in God on your own, you are still a believer.
    Believing in God is in us. We were made to believe in God. we do not need messengers, books or whatever to actually believe in God. Allah just send His books and messengers to guide us to the right path...to teach us about him.
    There are still people out there in strict communities with no tv or internet available or banned...completely shut from the outside world...the have never heard about Islam, or only bad stuff, and they do not have a chance to investigate on their own.

    Examples of people who never might have heard about Islam, so they never said or had the chance to say the kalimah...but still stand a chance to go to heaven:
    there was one Island somewhere in the Philipines who threw spears to approaching planes and helicopters. they attack approaching ships. they do not allow strangers to their Island.
    or people living like the Amish. no technology, no contact with the outside world.
    or people living isolated in distant locations, high in the mountains or some small poor villages.
    children too young (younger than 7 usually) who are not mature enough to distinguish between good and bad.
    mentally challenged people who do not have the ability to distinguish between good and bad.

    only people who have heard about Islam and who rejected it...or actively chooses to disbelieve...or believes that besides Allah, there are other Gods...they deserve Hell.


    I do not believe that the IS are Muslim at all. You cannot go terrorize innocent people. No goal can justify their actions. it is wrong on so many levels.
    They will meet their 70 virgins in thehereafter...but they won't be females...



    life is short brother...but still long enough to think about what you believe. No one is so occupied in life that they had not a chance to think about what will happen to him after death.



    No it is not wrong.
    again, they will be rewarded greatly for their efforts, but they will not benefit from it, because it is just temporary...they eventually go to hell for rejecting Islam. (this great reward is just pennies compared to the reward of entering Jannah).


    It is your choice to believe or not. Not God's. God only knows which option you will choose. That is the price of having freedom of choice. if you could not choose between good and bad, then you would not have true freedom of choice.
    freedom of choice is the thing which gives us a higher rank than any other creature of Allah...because we can actually CHOOSE to serve Allah even if we do not have to.

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    I am sorry to hear this. Hope you will gain your faith back soon inshaallah.
    You are forgetting your purpose why you are on Earth. Your purpose is to pass a test. The test is about believing in our one and only God or not. you can do great things on earth (And you will be rewarded greatly for your efforts, here on earth or temporarily in thehereafter...but if you do not believe in God or reject Islam, then you will not pass the test. your eventual destiny will be Hell.

    Just like a regular math test. you can make the most beautiful drawings during a math test, but if you do not know the answer, you will not pass the test.

    Allah gives a lot of signs to show you he is there. your task is to see those signs, and recognize our God behind it. It makes very much sense.
    in fact, you will be given a lot of chances. if you even have faith in God by the weight of a mustard seed, you eventually will go to heaven inshaallah.
    which means is that you actively has to do a lot wrong to deserve hell for eternity.


    For what I know is that they can also be rewarded in Barzaq (the waiting period in the grave)
    the grave can be like one of the gardens of Heaven or one of the pits of Hell. Those people who did many good deeds, but reject Islam will be rewarded greatly for their actions on Earth in the Barzaq but when judgement day comes...and they already received their rewards...and no longer have good deeds to be rewarded anymore...but just sins because of their disbelief...they will go to Hell.
    the difference:
    Heaven and Hell are both eternal. you will not leave once you are in one of them.
    Barzaq can be a temporary heaven or hell. just to even good and bad deeds out. thanks to Barzaq, believers on judgement day will not have sins to pay for, because they already paid for their sins in the grave, and non believers will not have good deeds to get rewarded for because they are rewarded in the grave.
    Allah is just to everyone.


    That is not true. If you did not hear about Islam but you still believe in God on your own, you are still a believer.
    Believing in God is in us. We were made to believe in God. we do not need messengers, books or whatever to actually believe in God. Allah just send His books and messengers to guide us to the right path...to teach us about him.
    There are still people out there in strict communities with no tv or internet available or banned...completely shut from the outside world...the have never heard about Islam, or only bad stuff, and they do not have a chance to investigate on their own.

    Examples of people who never might have heard about Islam, so they never said or had the chance to say the kalimah...but still stand a chance to go to heaven:
    there was one Island somewhere in the Philipines who threw spears to approaching planes and helicopters. they attack approaching ships. they do not allow strangers to their Island.
    or people living like the Amish. no technology, no contact with the outside world.
    or people living isolated in distant locations, high in the mountains or some small poor villages.
    children too young (younger than 7 usually) who are not mature enough to distinguish between good and bad.
    mentally challenged people who do not have the ability to distinguish between good and bad.

    only people who have heard about Islam and who rejected it...or actively chooses to disbelieve...or believes that besides Allah, there are other Gods...they deserve Hell.


    I do not believe that the IS are Muslim at all. You cannot go terrorize innocent people. No goal can justify their actions. it is wrong on so many levels.
    They will meet their 70 virgins in thehereafter...but they won't be females...



    life is short brother...but still long enough to think about what you believe. No one is so occupied in life that they had not a chance to think about what will happen to him after death.



    No it is not wrong.
    again, they will be rewarded greatly for their efforts, but they will not benefit from it, because it is just temporary...they eventually go to hell for rejecting Islam. (this great reward is just pennies compared to the reward of entering Jannah).


    It is your choice to believe or not. Not God's. God only knows which option you will choose. That is the price of having freedom of choice. if you could not choose between good and bad, then you would not have true freedom of choice.
    freedom of choice is the thing which gives us a higher rank than any other creature of Allah...because we can actually CHOOSE to serve Allah even if we do not have to.
    Thank you user umie for your elaborate answer.
    Allow me to reply.
    First. I believe in a God. Just not sure if it's Allah. Why? Cuz the fact that good non Muslims will go to hell just cuz of their religion.
    Second any reward or punishment is nothing compared to an eternity I'm heaven or hell. To say that a good and kind non Muslim will get his reward in barzaq and hence Allah is just, is plain wrong to me as you mention, it's nothing compared to eternity.
    Thirdly life is far too busy for some to think on these issues. You and I have time to discuss this but answer me this? How many peopl you know have free time that they spend on these thoughts? How Manu do you know? So if someone heard if Islam after 9/11 or after learning of Isis and choose to reject it is it there fault? Please answer me this.

    Lastly, in the end it comes down to this. One third of the people will go to heaven JUST CAUSE GOD placed them on the wrong piece of land. There is evidence for islam just like it is for Christianity. Yet good Christians will go to hell according to islam? Right or wrong?
    So God is still just and loving? How?
    How can everyone be so complacent with this thought process?

    Shouldn't hell be JUST for sinners?
    I'll say it out loud- is our God really that narcissistic that he'll only put those who say his name in heaven and throw everything else out yhe Window? Cuz in the end that's what you all are sayin in which case I refuse to believe he's just or kind.
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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    And that's exactly what's wrong. Doesn't anyone think that something is wrong with this? So many genuinely good people go to hell where as a Muslim who JUST HAPPENED to be born in a Muslim household goes to heaven?
    You get to go to heaven since you're born in a Muslim family and not because you made the world a better place? And vice versa Others don't?
    And it was God's decision to put you in a Muslim household. How is this fair?
    Tell you what, you can bring it up on the Day of Judgement to your Creator. Something tells me you won't have that courage to do so like you do now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    Tell you what, you can bring it up on the Day of Judgement to your Creator. Something tells me you won't have that courage to do so like you do now....
    So its not a loving GOD but one who's just going to subject everyone to his order. Eternal reward to some torture to others.

    You're dam straight I won't be able these thing yet I still believe I'll get a chance to explain myself. I don't/ can't believe the image of God like the one you just painted....

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    And I have spent my time thinking on this issue. I have prayed as user Eric suggested and begged God to guide me back or to take me back into his fold.

    I'm still lost.

    Confused and disconsolate about the standard for admission to hell or heaven.......not good or bad deeds....but in who's name do we do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    So its not a loving GOD but one who's just going to subject everyone to his order. Eternal reward to some torture to others.

    You're dam straight I won't be able these thing yet I still believe I'll get a chance to explain myself. I don't/ can't believe the image of God like the one you just painted....
    Kindly remove Islam as your religion in your profile so Muslims can know that you are just a troll causing fitnah in a Muslim forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    So its not a loving GOD but one who's just going to subject everyone to his order. Eternal reward to some torture to others.

    You're dam straight I won't be able these thing yet I still believe I'll get a chance to explain myself. I don't/ can't believe the image of God like the one you just painted....
    Kindly remove Islam as your religion in your profile so Muslims can know that you are just a troll causing fitnah in a Muslim forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    Kindly remove Islam as your religion in your profile so Muslims can know that you are just a troll causing fitnah in a Muslim forum.

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    Kindly remove Islam as your religion in your profile so Muslims can know that you are just a troll causing fitnah in a Muslim forum.
    Done. Changing my religion on a forum site will not change my beliefs but if it hurts someone I'll change it gladly.

    Regarding the forum thing you know that if I ask such questions from family they'll disown me. If I go to a mosque they'll stone me to death. Should I go to an atheist forum? A Christian one?

    This is the only place I can ask for help and some very informative people have helped me. I'm not that educated in Islam either. The picture shown to me of Islam was far worse then people here have shown me for which I'm grateful.

    Why can't anyone see it from my view point?
    Why can't you see I'm only asking this for the good people in my life that will perish because of this?
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    Being angry at Allah Azza wa Jal and His Qadr or accusing Him of injustice is not the behavior of a Muslim. Going on a Muslim forum and spreading this fitnah is worse. And you don't hurt me but yourself and can infect Muslims on here who are weak in iman and naiive. Why would a Muslim want to see your viewpoint. It is dangerous. It is the language of the Shaytan. I suggest you get it right before your respite is over and you end up A. not convincing the Angels in the grave of your Islam and B. coming on the Day of Judgement with these type of thoughts. And Allah Knows Best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    Being angry at Allah Azza wa Jal and His Qadr or accusing Him of injustice is not the behavior of a Muslim. Going on a Muslim forum and spreading this fitnah is worse. And you don't hurt me but yourself and can infect Muslims on here who are weak in iman and naiive. Why would a Muslim want to see your viewpoint. It is dangerous. It is the language of the Shaytan. I suggest you get it right before your respite is over and you end up A. not convincing the Angels in the grave of your Islam and B. coming on the Day of Judgement with these type of thoughts. And Allah Knows Best.
    I asked for help. You're not helping so leave this thread. If I wanted the kind of replies you're giving I'd go to the mosque nearby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    I asked for help. You're not helping so leave this thread. If I wanted the kind of replies you're giving I'd go to the mosque nearby.
    No you want people to tell you what you want to hear not what you need to know. You want to see if other unfortunate people feel like you. Al-Hamdulllilah, your local masjid and family were repulsed by your evil suggestions. You are not looking for help. You are looking for trouble.
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    And my image of God is far more loving than what you have painted out. I'm not perfect but his creation none the less.

    Iman that achieved through reasoning is far far stronger than by believing just because. That's what's dangerous. That's how Isis was created. Not questioning anything just following blindly is the road to tyranny and oppression

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    And my image of God is far more loving than what you have painted out. I'm not perfect but his creation none the less.

    Iman that achieved through reasoning is far far stronger than by believing just because. That's what's dangerous. That's how Isis was created. Not questioning anything just following blindly is the road to tyranny and oppression

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    No you want people to tell you what you want to hear not what you need to know. You want to see if other unfortunate people feel like you. Al-Hamdulllilah, your local masjid and family were repulsed by your evil suggestions. You are not looking for help. You are looking for trouble.
    Once again. Please leave and let others handle this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thank you user azc for your time.

    As for the answer. No.

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    Thank you user umie for your elaborate answer.
    Allow me to reply.
    First. I believe in a God. Just not sure if it's Allah. Why? Cuz the fact that good non Muslims will go to hell just cuz of their religion.
    Second any reward or punishment is nothing compared to an eternity I'm heaven or hell. To say that a good and kind non Muslim will get his reward in barzaq and hence Allah is just, is plain wrong to me as you mention, it's nothing compared to eternity.
    Thirdly life is far too busy for some to think on these issues. You and I have time to discuss this but answer me this? How many peopl you know have free time that they spend on these thoughts? How Manu do you know? So if someone heard if Islam after 9/11 or after learning of Isis and choose to reject it is it there fault? Please answer me this.

    Lastly, in the end it comes down to this. One third of the people will go to heaven JUST CAUSE GOD placed them on the wrong piece of land. There is evidence for islam just like it is for Christianity. Yet good Christians will go to hell according to islam? Right or wrong?
    So God is still just and loving? How?
    How can everyone be so complacent with this thought process?

    Shouldn't hell be JUST for sinners?
    I'll say it out loud- is our God really that narcissistic that he'll only put those who say his name in heaven and throw everything else out yhe Window? Cuz in the end that's what you all are sayin in which case I refuse to believe he's just or kind.
    You are very wrong on this one brother. good non muslims go to hell because they reject Islam. They reject to believe in Allah...which is what the whole test here on Earth is about.
    You are here on Earth for only one Question: Do you believe in Allah or not?
    you can do many good deeds, but eventually it still comes down to this question.
    You have to believe in Allah to pass the test.

    I recently read a thread here which disturbed me very much.
    I do not know if it is true, because I did not see any validation of it with hadeeth...but I share it anyways with you because it is a loaded story and it gave me goosebumps when I read it:

    Before we came into this world let us say (in theherebefore) there was this issue with Ibliss Ibliss was a great creature with impressive powers...he had more power than any other creature but he got arrogant.
    he said he was a partner of Allah or that he had similar powers as Allah.
    He convinced some creators and some creatures doubted.

    Finally Allah asked "who is your God?" The angels chose the safe way and said "Allah" The Jinns and shaytaan chose for the answer "Ibliss can be a God too"...and the humans did not answer. We wanted to find on our own.
    That is why we are here on Earth...to find on our own who our God is...and there is a lot at stake.
    I cannot find the link to it anymore...but when I heard this...it struck me like lightning.
    So, we are here because we could not answer the Question "who is your God" in theherebefore...
    My daughter is 19 months old...so she is here also because she too failed to answer this simple question.
    everyone I love in this world failed to answer this...that is why we are here...to find out on our own.
    Hopefully we will all find the correct answer so that we can pass this second test.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Second any reward or punishment is nothing compared to an eternity I'm heaven or hell. To say that a good and kind non Muslim will get his reward in barzaq and hence Allah is just, is plain wrong to me as you mention, it's nothing compared to eternity.
    your good deeds are nothing compared to the reward you will get for it in the Barzaq. So you will be compensated more than enough for your good deeds. But of course that is still nothing compared to the entrance of Jannah....But for this you must believe.
    Allah is just to everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thirdly life is far too busy for some to think on these issues. You and I have time to discuss this but answer me this? How many peopl you know have free time that they spend on these thoughts? How Manu do you know? So if someone heard if Islam after 9/11 or after learning of Isis and choose to reject it is it there fault? Please answer me this.
    believe me, everyone has thought about death in his life and what happens next...no matter how busy they are. Death is the one thing which is unevidable...and then you either believe in a God, or you do not.
    Someone who hears about ISIS or 9/11 is supposed to investigate what is wrong if he has this opportunity. if he doesn't have this opportunity, or which reason ever they did not obtain true information about Islam and that is why they are not believing, then they cannot be blamed for it. But at least, they still have to believe in God.
    Again...you are considered a believer if you have faith with the weight of a mustard seed.
    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Lastly, in the end it comes down to this. One third of the people will go to heaven JUST CAUSE GOD placed them on the wrong piece of land. There is evidence for islam just like it is for Christianity. Yet good Christians will go to hell according to islam? Right or wrong?
    So God is still just and loving? How?
    How can everyone be so complacent with this thought process?
    no one gets a burden which he cannot carry. no one will undergo a test which he cannot pass...so being placed on a different piece of land should not matter. some people undergo a more difficult test than others...strong people undergo a heavier test.
    Allah knows who goes where, but good Christians who choose to be Christian, even though they heard about Islam will go to Hell, yes. They are rejecting Islam. They choose to believe in Jesus as a God...as a Trinity.
    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Shouldn't hell be JUST for sinners?
    I'll say it out loud- is our God really that narcissistic that he'll only put those who say his name in heaven and throw everything else out yhe Window? Cuz in the end that's what you all are sayin in which case I refuse to believe he's just or kind.
    You will regret that you have said this one day...but OK...your choice...
    It is the price we pay for having freedom of choice...it is the freedom to choose for the bad and risk Hell.
    without Hell we would not have this freedom...we would be just like angels and animals...doing what we were designed for.

    Like said, many many times...your purpose here is to believe in God...doing good deeds alone will be rewarded greatly, but it is not enough to earn your place in heaven.

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    Thank you user azc for your time.

    As for the answer. No.

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    Thank you user umie for your elaborate answer.
    Allow me to reply.
    First. I believe in a God. Just not sure if it's Allah. Why? Cuz the fact that good non Muslims will go to hell just cuz of their religion.
    Second any reward or punishment is nothing compared to an eternity I'm heaven or hell. To say that a good and kind non Muslim will get his reward in barzaq and hence Allah is just, is plain wrong to me as you mention, it's nothing compared to eternity.
    Thirdly life is far too busy for some to think on these issues. You and I have time to discuss this but answer me this? How many peopl you know have free time that they spend on these thoughts? How Manu do you know? So if someone heard if Islam after 9/11 or after learning of Isis and choose to reject it is it there fault? Please answer me this.

    Lastly, in the end it comes down to this. One third of the people will go to heaven JUST CAUSE GOD placed them on the wrong piece of land. There is evidence for islam just like it is for Christianity. Yet good Christians will go to hell according to islam? Right or wrong?
    So God is still just and loving? How?
    How can everyone be so complacent with this thought process?

    Shouldn't hell be JUST for sinners?
    I'll say it out loud- is our God really that narcissistic that he'll only put those who say his name in heaven and throw everything else out yhe Window? Cuz in the end that's what you all are sayin in which case I refuse to believe he's just or kind.
    You are very wrong on this one brother. good non muslims go to hell because they reject Islam. They reject to believe in Allah...which is what the whole test here on Earth is about.
    You are here on Earth for only one Question: Do you believe in Allah or not?
    you can do many good deeds, but eventually it still comes down to this question.
    You have to believe in Allah to pass the test.

    I recently read a thread here which disturbed me very much.
    I do not know if it is true, because I did not see any validation of it with hadeeth...but I share it anyways with you because it is a loaded story and it gave me goosebumps when I read it:

    Before we came into this world let us say (in theherebefore) there was this issue with Ibliss Ibliss was a great creature with impressive powers...he had more power than any other creature but he got arrogant.
    he said he was a partner of Allah or that he had similar powers as Allah.
    He convinced some creators and some creatures doubted.

    Finally Allah asked "who is your God?" The angels chose the safe way and said "Allah" The Jinns and shaytaan chose for the answer "Ibliss can be a God too"...and the humans did not answer. We wanted to find on our own.
    That is why we are here on Earth...to find on our own who our God is...and there is a lot at stake.
    I cannot find the link to it anymore...but when I heard this...it struck me like lightning.
    So, we are here because we could not answer the Question "who is your God" in theherebefore...
    My daughter is 19 months old...so she is here also because she too failed to answer this simple question.
    everyone I love in this world failed to answer this...that is why we are here...to find out on our own.
    Hopefully we will all find the correct answer so that we can pass this second test.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Second any reward or punishment is nothing compared to an eternity I'm heaven or hell. To say that a good and kind non Muslim will get his reward in barzaq and hence Allah is just, is plain wrong to me as you mention, it's nothing compared to eternity.
    your good deeds are nothing compared to the reward you will get for it in the Barzaq. So you will be compensated more than enough for your good deeds. But of course that is still nothing compared to the entrance of Jannah....But for this you must believe.
    Allah is just to everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thirdly life is far too busy for some to think on these issues. You and I have time to discuss this but answer me this? How many peopl you know have free time that they spend on these thoughts? How Manu do you know? So if someone heard if Islam after 9/11 or after learning of Isis and choose to reject it is it there fault? Please answer me this.
    believe me, everyone has thought about death in his life and what happens next...no matter how busy they are. Death is the one thing which is unevidable...and then you either believe in a God, or you do not.
    Someone who hears about ISIS or 9/11 is supposed to investigate what is wrong if he has this opportunity. if he doesn't have this opportunity, or which reason ever they did not obtain true information about Islam and that is why they are not believing, then they cannot be blamed for it. But at least, they still have to believe in God.
    Again...you are considered a believer if you have faith with the weight of a mustard seed.
    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Lastly, in the end it comes down to this. One third of the people will go to heaven JUST CAUSE GOD placed them on the wrong piece of land. There is evidence for islam just like it is for Christianity. Yet good Christians will go to hell according to islam? Right or wrong?
    So God is still just and loving? How?
    How can everyone be so complacent with this thought process?
    no one gets a burden which he cannot carry. no one will undergo a test which he cannot pass...so being placed on a different piece of land should not matter. some people undergo a more difficult test than others...strong people undergo a heavier test.
    Allah knows who goes where, but good Christians who choose to be Christian, even though they heard about Islam will go to Hell, yes. They are rejecting Islam. They choose to believe in Jesus as a God...as a Trinity.
    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Shouldn't hell be JUST for sinners?
    I'll say it out loud- is our God really that narcissistic that he'll only put those who say his name in heaven and throw everything else out yhe Window? Cuz in the end that's what you all are sayin in which case I refuse to believe he's just or kind.
    You will regret that you have said this one day...but OK...your choice...
    It is the price we pay for having freedom of choice...it is the freedom to choose for the bad and risk Hell.
    without Hell we would not have this freedom...we would be just like angels and animals...doing what we were designed for.

    Like said, many many times...your purpose here is to believe in God...doing good deeds alone will be rewarded greatly, but it is not enough to earn your place in heaven.

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    @lost_one

    When citizens who follow the laws of the land and traitors regardless of their good qualities are not equal, then why you can think those who don't believe in dominion of God and divine laws can be considered as equal as those follow the laws of God...?

    Do you believe in One God or, Do you define Hundreds of Gods for all the religions practiced around the globe..?

    Do you believe in Christianity or Judaism or any other religion..?
    (it stands for abrogated laws of God)

    Or

    Do you believe in perennialism..?
    (impractical for divine laws)

    Or

    Do you believe in NO religion..?

    (it stands for lawlessness)

    or

    You are still a Muslim by faith..?

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    Allahua Akhbar this is weswes...do you think you know better than the Almihgty Allah who deserves hell or heaven? Just weswes from the satan and why it make sense who is moslim or not? I know but hurts when you have family who arent muslim but you should love fear and trusting Allah

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    So its not a loving GOD but one who's just going to subject everyone to his order. Eternal reward to some torture to others.

    You're dam straight I won't be able these thing yet I still believe I'll get a chance to explain myself. I don't/ can't believe the image of God like the one you just painted....

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    And I have spent my time thinking on this issue. I have prayed as user Eric suggested and begged God to guide me back or to take me back into his fold.

    I'm still lost.

    Confused and disconsolate about the standard for admission to hell or heaven.......not good or bad deeds....but in who's name do we do it.



    I am sorry but it hurts me because we have alhamdulillah a beloved God. La illaha illah lah. Rahman al rahiem. Only the worst people deserve hell. You cant knowing what is in thear hearts. Dont judge a book by his cover. And second not every non believer go to hell. Only who nows islam and reject it. And ex muslims are worser. Correct me if I am wrong brothers and sisters.

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    WE DONT KNOW WHO'S GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL END OF STORY!! We should all just strive to do good deeds and act accordingly. Its normal to have questions and its good to use logic etc but you seem to be going in circles my friend. Part of our belief is accepting that we cant foretell the future therefore we cant tell who will see heaven and who will see hell. In fact i think Islam is pretty equal in that regards- it doesnt favour muslims in terms of heaven or hell, plus the Quran says that Jews and Christians can go to heaven.
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    sometimes some people want to try to show how they smart are at religious aspects how they religious are... People turned the religion into a kind of joy toy. Everyone will find in the grave what they did in the world
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    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thank you for your time. Thanks to everyone for their effort.

    Anyways so God decided to throw half the population to hell and we're not allowed to question it?
    Please I implore everyone to think about this. Just like we are convinced of going to heaven so many Christians and Jews are too.

    Most of us didn't chose our religion. We got it from parents, never questioned and that's the basis for entrance to paradise?

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    Please tell me where? If its true its all I need.
    لَيْسَ بِأَمَانِيِّكُمْ وَلَا أَمَانِيِّ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ ۗ مَنْ يَعْمَلْ سُوءًا يُجْزَ بِهِ وَلَا يَجِدْ لَهُ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلِيًّا وَلَا نَصِيرًا

    (Sahih International)
    Paradise is not [obtained] by your wishful thinking nor by that of the People of the Scripture. Whoever does a wrong will be recompensed for it, and he will not find besides Allah a protector or a helper.

    -Sura An-Nisa', Ayah 123
    There we go! Illustrates that OUR THINKING WE WILL GO TO HEAVEN BECAUSE WE ARE MUSLIM IS INCORRECT. It also refutes the Jew's claims they'll achieve salvation through them being "God's chosen people".
    Furthermore im gonna reccomend you a tumblr blog called Partytilfajr. Its very good and is written by a former imam i think, you can submit questions etc and he'll answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    WE DONT KNOW WHO'S GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL END OF STORY!! We should all just strive to do good deeds and act accordingly. Its normal to have questions and its good to use logic etc but you seem to be going in circles my friend. Part of our belief is accepting that we cant foretell the future therefore we cant tell who will see heaven and who will see hell. In fact i think Islam is pretty equal in that regards- it doesnt favour muslims in terms of heaven or hell, plus the Quran says that Jews and Christians can go to heaven.
    İ believe he is just missing some basic information.
    Please do not lose your patience with such people...we want them to come back to İslam and we do that by patiently answering their questions...provide them information...show them our good manners...love and compassion...and hope that one day they realize what is right and what is wrong...before it is too late...
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    Quote Originally Posted by umie View Post
    İ believe he is just missing some basic information.
    Please do not lose your patience with such people...we want them to come back to İslam and we do that by patiently answering their questions...provide them information...show them our good manners...love and compassion...and hope that one day they realize what is right and what is wrong...before it is too late...
    Im aware i came across as agressive, i didnt intend to

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    Greetings and peace be with you lost_one;
    So its not a loving GOD but one who's just going to subject everyone to his order. Eternal reward to some torture to others.
    Possibly only a handful of people deserve salvation through their own deeds, but it will be through the grace and mercy of Allah that the majority earn salvation. As I read through the 99 names of Allah, they seem to lean more towards mercy than they do towards punishment

    I like the 35th name of Allah, 'Ash-Shakoor' meaning The Grateful, The Appreciative, The One who gives a lot of reward for a little obedience.

    Although no one can judge in the way that Allah will judge, the names of Allah give us hope,

    Blessings
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