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    Hi all. I am or was a Muslim but slowly and slowly feel like losing my faith. Why? How come Allah will send some people to heaven just cause of kalimah but a Jew or a Christian or atheist who spent their entire life in suffering to help others will go to hell?
    Doesn't make sense

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    Re: Lost faith

    We do not know who Allah will send to heaven or hell unless the prophet pbuh told us, and not all people who say the Kalimah will go to heaven. Brother, aslong as you understand god is the truth and mohammed pbuh is his messenger, then stop worrying yourself with these questions. It is a trick of shaytan to make you doubt yourself and the religion. Allah said in Quran that he is just, and he will never do anything wrong to anyone so focus working on strengthening your faith by learning the religion from reliable sources, and avoiding places, which are non-islamic. We have all gone through the same struggles as you have gone through in one way or another brother, so just keep trying to get closer to Allah swt, and make sincere dua him everyday. Also, you must becareful on who you watch online, because many of them will send you astray, especially some among the western scholars.

    Here is a video about the correct aqeedah (creed), which is the foundation of the religion that allows you to learn the correct belief system according to the prophet pbuh. it is essential to being by learning the aqeedah, because it is core belief of the religion. Learn this, and it will strengthen your faith, your belief in the oneness of Allah swt, and your overall confidence inshallah.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8FupZpep2Q
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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Hi all. I am or was a Muslim but slowly and slowly feel like losing my faith. Why? How come Allah will send some people to heaven just cause of kalimah but a Jew or a Christian or atheist who spent their entire life in suffering to help others will go to hell?
    Doesn't make sense
    No good deed go waste. They are rewarded in this worldly life for their good deeds in form of wealth, fame or popularity etc.

    So you are protesting to leave Islam in defence of their stubbornness for rejecting the truth.
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    Thank you so much for your answer. I'm not protesting, I long for my faith and it seems as though I'll never get it back. I used to be a very very pious person but slowly lost it. I feel lost and alone.
    And hence I'm here
    But think of this. Look at what media has portray ed Islam as. Look at what Isis has done. How will anyone believe Islam is the light now? And its not their fault. And I can't believe they'll go to hell. In the Qur'an it clearly states no kalima means hellfire. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes View Post
    We do not know who Allah will send to heaven or hell unless the prophet pbuh told us, and not all people who say the Kalimah will go to heaven. Brother, aslong as you understand god is the truth and mohammed pbuh is his messenger, then stop worrying yourself with these questions. It is a trick of shaytan to make you doubt yourself and the religion. Allah said in Quran that he is just, and he will never do anything wrong to anyone so focus working on strengthening your faith by learning the religion from reliable sources, and avoiding places, which are non-islamic. We have all gone through the same struggles as you have gone through in one way or another brother, so just keep trying to get closer to Allah swt, and make sincere dua him everyday. Also, you must becareful on who you watch online, because many of them will send you astray, especially some among the western scholars.

    Here is a video about the correct aqeedah (creed), which is the foundation of the religion that allows you to learn the correct belief system according to the prophet pbuh. it is essential to being by learning the aqeedah, because it is core belief of the religion. Learn this, and it will strengthen your faith, your belief in the oneness of Allah swt, and your overall confidence inshallah.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8FupZpep2Q
    Thank you for your time. Doesn't it say in the Qur'an somewhere that if you died without reciting kalimah you'll go to hell no matter(not sure about the no matter part)

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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Hi all. I am or was a Muslim but slowly and slowly feel like losing my faith. Why? How come Allah will send some people to heaven just cause of kalimah but a Jew or a Christian or atheist who spent their entire life in suffering to help others will go to hell?
    Doesn't make sense
    Media isn't Muslim friendly, so it's not reliable.

    Who's behind IS.?, who is giving them weapons..?

    IS or any group which kills innocent people (even they are non Muslims) doesn't represent Islam.
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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Media isn't Muslim friendly, so it's not reliable.

    Who's behind IS.?, who is giving them weapons..?

    IS or any group which kills innocent people (even they are non Muslims) doesn't represent Islam.
    Yes but millions of innocents don't know this. In today's life one can't be so concerned with religion that's they start researching it.
    Is it only those stopped their life to pursue religion and I doing so found Islam got salvation but those who devoted to serving humanity didn't?

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    Re: Lost faith

    We dont know whos going to heaven or hell. We dont. Its up to god to decide
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    Re: Lost faith

    Allah determines who and who isn't going into Paradise. The Quran states who those are. What you should be focusing on is having the knowledge and righteous good deeds that Allah Azza wa Jal expects from you. And are you really going to lose iman and jeopardize your soul because people like Mother Teresa isn't making it into Paradise? If that is the case then here is a reminder you need to ponder over seriously:

    "if any of you turns back from his religion and dies as an unbeliever, his deeds will become void in this life and in the hereafter. He will be the inmate of the hellfire, to live in there forever." [2.217]
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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Yes but millions of innocents don't know this. In today's life one can't be so concerned with religion that's they start researching it.
    Is it only those stopped their life to pursue religion and I doing so found Islam got salvation but those who devoted to serving humanity didn't?
    conspiracy against Islam isn't new. Propaganda against Islam, especially, in modern age, is rampant.

    Those Muslims who have no deep knowledge and are unaware of this propaganda war and have no sterling faith are often misled by listening/watching/reading anti Islamic stuff.

    Guidance is not our hands. It's the mercy of Allah swt who does he will guides and this is the fault and stupidity that someone who after guidance go astray
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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    Allah determines who and who isn't going into Paradise. The Quran states who those are. What you should be focusing on is having the knowledge and righteous good deeds that Allah Azza wa Jal expects from you. And are you really going to lose iman and jeopardize your soul because people like Mother Teresa isn't making it into Paradise? If that is the case then here is a reminder you need to ponder over seriously:

    "if any of you turns back from his religion and dies as an unbeliever, his deeds will become void in this life and in the hereafter. He will be the inmate of the hellfire, to live in there forever." [2.217]
    And that's exactly what's wrong. Doesn't anyone think that something is wrong with this? So many genuinely good people go to hell where as a Muslim who JUST HAPPENED to be born in a Muslim household goes to heaven?
    You get to go to heaven since you're born in a Muslim family and not because you made the world a better place? And vice versa Others don't?
    And it was God's decision to put you in a Muslim household. How is this fair?
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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    And that's exactly what's wrong. Doesn't anyone think that something is wrong with this? So many genuinely good people go to hell where as a Muslim who JUST HAPPENED to be born in a Muslim household goes to heaven?
    You get to go to heaven since you're born in a Muslim family and not because you made the world a better place? And vice versa Others don't?
    And it was God's decision to put you in a Muslim household. How is this fair?
    Thats not how it works. Everyone regardless of faith will be judged appropriately. Its talked about in the Quran, the Jews think they wont go to hell because theyre God's chosen people, that claim is refuted and it shows that faith wont save you then.
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    Re: Lost faith

    Also what we're doing now is dangerous- rationalising God's choices.
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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    Also what we're doing now is dangerous- rationalising God's choices.
    Thank you for your time. Thanks to everyone for their effort.

    Anyways so God decided to throw half the population to hell and we're not allowed to question it?
    Please I implore everyone to think about this. Just like we are convinced of going to heaven so many Christians and Jews are too.

    Most of us didn't chose our religion. We got it from parents, never questioned and that's the basis for entrance to paradise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    Everyone regardless of faith will be judged appropriately. Its talked about in the Quran.
    Please tell me where? If its true its all I need.
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    Re: Lost faith

    Im gonna send a link to an article talking about this issue: http://partytilfajr.tumblr.com/post/...-going-to-hell
    By a former imam who specialises in Sharia. He's got all the ayat cited etc

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    ( also yes, that is his blog name, its a joke, he's actually taught me a lot)

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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    And that's exactly what's wrong. Doesn't anyone think that something is wrong with this? So many genuinely good people go to hell where as a Muslim who JUST HAPPENED to be born in a Muslim household goes to heaven?
    You get to go to heaven since you're born in a Muslim family and not because you made the world a better place? And vice versa Others don't?
    And it was God's decision to put you in a Muslim household. How is this fair?
    Do you think that law abiding citizens and traitors of your country should be treated at par..?

    Do you think when the court sentences life imprisonment against the perpetrator of heinous crime is injustice in case he was a good person in life..?

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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Do you think that law abiding citizens and traitors of your country should be treated at par..?

    Do you think when the court sentences life imprisonment against the perpetrator of heinous crime is injustice in case he was a good person in life..?
    Not at all. Both law abiders and traitors KNOW what they are and what they deserve. But do you think someone who spent their life thinking they were law abiding citizens get imprisoned for life? Fair?
    A good person who knowingly does a crime is punishable. But a good person who does good deeds gets a life imprisonment in he'll cuz he didn't have the name of ten right God? Literally that's his only crime. I understand for God to take care of us and someone not honouring him is indeed a very big issue. But look at the level of fitna today? Look at all the cleverly crafted misconceptions. It's enough to make a person never warrant another look at Islam unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    Im gonna send a link to an article talking about this issue: http://partytilfajr.tumblr.com/post/...-going-to-hell
    By a former imam who specialises in Sharia. He's got all the ayat cited etc

    Thanks. I'll check it out right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Not at all. Both law abiders and traitors KNOW what they are and what they deserve. But do you think someone who spent their life thinking they were law abiding citizens get imprisoned for life? Fair?
    A good person who knowingly does a crime is punishable. But a good person who does good deeds gets a life imprisonment in he'll cuz he didn't have the name of ten right God? Literally that's his only crime. I understand for God to take care of us and someone not honouring him is indeed a very big issue. But look at the level of fitna today? Look at all the cleverly crafted misconceptions. It's enough to make a person never warrant another look at Islam unfortunately.

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    Thanks. I'll check it out right now.
    The traitor who is aware of the law commits crime against the country is a more serious criminal than the one who doesn't know of it, however, the court will treat them equally...
    Is it injustice..?

    How good you are in your personal life will not give you any loopholes to escape from law.

    Is it injustice...?

    But according to your logic you are challenging the law and court why the criminals are punished if they are good people in their lives...

    Are not wrong...?

    It's sheer stupidity of the traitors to think of escaping from law because they are nice people and their complaint of not treating them at par the the law abiding citizens doesn't make any sense.

    Do you still support the traitors...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    The traitor who is aware of the law commits crime against the country is a more serious criminal than the one who doesn't know of it, however, the court will treat them equally...
    Is it injustice..?

    How good you are in your personal life will not give you any loopholes to escape from law.

    Is it injustice...?

    But according to your logic you are challenging the law and court why the criminals are punished if they are good people in their lives...

    Are not wrong...?

    It's sheer stupidity of the traitors to think of escaping from law because they are nice people and their complaint of not treating them at par the the law abiding citizens doesn't make any sense.

    Do you still support the traitors...?
    Thanks for your effort. You don't understand what I am saying.

    I'll simplify it. Let's say there are 3 major laws. All of them similar and dissimilar in certain ways. OBEY ONE,BREAK THE OTHER TWO. All three preclude the others. Lots of info and disinfo about all three. Many people following one of the three laws. But only one is correct. Proper research and dedication can guide one to the one but realistically it's not possible for everyone to do this.

    Now tell me. If you ended up obeying the wrong law is it still just/fair?

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    Re: Lost faith

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Hi all. I am or was a Muslim but slowly and slowly feel like losing my faith. Why? How come Allah will send some people to heaven just cause of kalimah but a Jew or a Christian or atheist who spent their entire life in suffering to help others will go to hell?
    Doesn't make sense
    I am sorry to hear this. Hope you will gain your faith back soon inshaallah.
    You are forgetting your purpose why you are on Earth. Your purpose is to pass a test. The test is about believing in our one and only God or not. you can do great things on earth (And you will be rewarded greatly for your efforts, here on earth or temporarily in thehereafter...but if you do not believe in God or reject Islam, then you will not pass the test. your eventual destiny will be Hell.

    Just like a regular math test. you can make the most beautiful drawings during a math test, but if you do not know the answer, you will not pass the test.

    Allah gives a lot of signs to show you he is there. your task is to see those signs, and recognize our God behind it. It makes very much sense.
    in fact, you will be given a lot of chances. if you even have faith in God by the weight of a mustard seed, you eventually will go to heaven inshaallah.
    which means is that you actively has to do a lot wrong to deserve hell for eternity.

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    No good deed go waste. They are rewarded in this worldly life for their good deeds in form of wealth, fame or popularity etc.

    So you are protesting to leave Islam in defence of their stubbornness for rejecting the truth.
    For what I know is that they can also be rewarded in Barzaq (the waiting period in the grave)
    the grave can be like one of the gardens of Heaven or one of the pits of Hell. Those people who did many good deeds, but reject Islam will be rewarded greatly for their actions on Earth in the Barzaq but when judgement day comes...and they already received their rewards...and no longer have good deeds to be rewarded anymore...but just sins because of their disbelief...they will go to Hell.
    the difference:
    Heaven and Hell are both eternal. you will not leave once you are in one of them.
    Barzaq can be a temporary heaven or hell. just to even good and bad deeds out. thanks to Barzaq, believers on judgement day will not have sins to pay for, because they already paid for their sins in the grave, and non believers will not have good deeds to get rewarded for because they are rewarded in the grave.
    Allah is just to everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thank you so much for your answer. I'm not protesting, I long for my faith and it seems as though I'll never get it back. I used to be a very very pious person but slowly lost it. I feel lost and alone.
    And hence I'm here
    But think of this. Look at what media has portray ed Islam as. Look at what Isis has done. How will anyone believe Islam is the light now? And its not their fault. And I can't believe they'll go to hell. In the Qur'an it clearly states no kalima means hellfire. Right?

    Thank you for your time. Doesn't it say in the Qur'an somewhere that if you died without reciting kalimah you'll go to hell no matter(not sure about the no matter part)
    That is not true. If you did not hear about Islam but you still believe in God on your own, you are still a believer.
    Believing in God is in us. We were made to believe in God. we do not need messengers, books or whatever to actually believe in God. Allah just send His books and messengers to guide us to the right path...to teach us about him.
    There are still people out there in strict communities with no tv or internet available or banned...completely shut from the outside world...the have never heard about Islam, or only bad stuff, and they do not have a chance to investigate on their own.

    Examples of people who never might have heard about Islam, so they never said or had the chance to say the kalimah...but still stand a chance to go to heaven:
    there was one Island somewhere in the Philipines who threw spears to approaching planes and helicopters. they attack approaching ships. they do not allow strangers to their Island.
    or people living like the Amish. no technology, no contact with the outside world.
    or people living isolated in distant locations, high in the mountains or some small poor villages.
    children too young (younger than 7 usually) who are not mature enough to distinguish between good and bad.
    mentally challenged people who do not have the ability to distinguish between good and bad.

    only people who have heard about Islam and who rejected it...or actively chooses to disbelieve...or believes that besides Allah, there are other Gods...they deserve Hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Media isn't Muslim friendly, so it's not reliable.

    Who's behind IS.?, who is giving them weapons..?

    IS or any group which kills innocent people (even they are non Muslims) doesn't represent Islam.
    I do not believe that the IS are Muslim at all. You cannot go terrorize innocent people. No goal can justify their actions. it is wrong on so many levels.
    They will meet their 70 virgins in thehereafter...but they won't be females...

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Yes but millions of innocents don't know this. In today's life one can't be so concerned with religion that's they start researching it.
    Is it only those stopped their life to pursue religion and I doing so found Islam got salvation but those who devoted to serving humanity didn't?
    life is short brother...but still long enough to think about what you believe. No one is so occupied in life that they had not a chance to think about what will happen to him after death.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    And that's exactly what's wrong. Doesn't anyone think that something is wrong with this? So many genuinely good people go to hell where as a Muslim who JUST HAPPENED to be born in a Muslim household goes to heaven?
    You get to go to heaven since you're born in a Muslim family and not because you made the world a better place? And vice versa Others don't?
    And it was God's decision to put you in a Muslim household. How is this fair?
    No it is not wrong.
    again, they will be rewarded greatly for their efforts, but they will not benefit from it, because it is just temporary...they eventually go to hell for rejecting Islam. (this great reward is just pennies compared to the reward of entering Jannah).

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thank you for your time. Thanks to everyone for their effort.

    Anyways so God decided to throw half the population to hell and we're not allowed to question it?
    Please I implore everyone to think about this. Just like we are convinced of going to heaven so many Christians and Jews are too.

    Most of us didn't chose our religion. We got it from parents, never questioned and that's the basis for entrance to paradise?

    Please tell me where? If its true its all I need.
    It is your choice to believe or not. Not God's. God only knows which option you will choose. That is the price of having freedom of choice. if you could not choose between good and bad, then you would not have true freedom of choice.
    freedom of choice is the thing which gives us a higher rank than any other creature of Allah...because we can actually CHOOSE to serve Allah even if we do not have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Hi all. I am or was a Muslim but slowly and slowly feel like losing my faith. Why? How come Allah will send some people to heaven just cause of kalimah but a Jew or a Christian or atheist who spent their entire life in suffering to help others will go to hell?
    Doesn't make sense
    I am sorry to hear this. Hope you will gain your faith back soon inshaallah.
    You are forgetting your purpose why you are on Earth. Your purpose is to pass a test. The test is about believing in our one and only God or not. you can do great things on earth (And you will be rewarded greatly for your efforts, here on earth or temporarily in thehereafter...but if you do not believe in God or reject Islam, then you will not pass the test. your eventual destiny will be Hell.

    Just like a regular math test. you can make the most beautiful drawings during a math test, but if you do not know the answer, you will not pass the test.

    Allah gives a lot of signs to show you he is there. your task is to see those signs, and recognize our God behind it. It makes very much sense.
    in fact, you will be given a lot of chances. if you even have faith in God by the weight of a mustard seed, you eventually will go to heaven inshaallah.
    which means is that you actively has to do a lot wrong to deserve hell for eternity.

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    No good deed go waste. They are rewarded in this worldly life for their good deeds in form of wealth, fame or popularity etc.

    So you are protesting to leave Islam in defence of their stubbornness for rejecting the truth.
    For what I know is that they can also be rewarded in Barzaq (the waiting period in the grave)
    the grave can be like one of the gardens of Heaven or one of the pits of Hell. Those people who did many good deeds, but reject Islam will be rewarded greatly for their actions on Earth in the Barzaq but when judgement day comes...and they already received their rewards...and no longer have good deeds to be rewarded anymore...but just sins because of their disbelief...they will go to Hell.
    the difference:
    Heaven and Hell are both eternal. you will not leave once you are in one of them.
    Barzaq can be a temporary heaven or hell. just to even good and bad deeds out. thanks to Barzaq, believers on judgement day will not have sins to pay for, because they already paid for their sins in the grave, and non believers will not have good deeds to get rewarded for because they are rewarded in the grave.
    Allah is just to everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thank you so much for your answer. I'm not protesting, I long for my faith and it seems as though I'll never get it back. I used to be a very very pious person but slowly lost it. I feel lost and alone.
    And hence I'm here
    But think of this. Look at what media has portray ed Islam as. Look at what Isis has done. How will anyone believe Islam is the light now? And its not their fault. And I can't believe they'll go to hell. In the Qur'an it clearly states no kalima means hellfire. Right?

    Thank you for your time. Doesn't it say in the Qur'an somewhere that if you died without reciting kalimah you'll go to hell no matter(not sure about the no matter part)
    That is not true. If you did not hear about Islam but you still believe in God on your own, you are still a believer.
    Believing in God is in us. We were made to believe in God. we do not need messengers, books or whatever to actually believe in God. Allah just send His books and messengers to guide us to the right path...to teach us about him.
    There are still people out there in strict communities with no tv or internet available or banned...completely shut from the outside world...the have never heard about Islam, or only bad stuff, and they do not have a chance to investigate on their own.

    Examples of people who never might have heard about Islam, so they never said or had the chance to say the kalimah...but still stand a chance to go to heaven:
    there was one Island somewhere in the Philipines who threw spears to approaching planes and helicopters. they attack approaching ships. they do not allow strangers to their Island.
    or people living like the Amish. no technology, no contact with the outside world.
    or people living isolated in distant locations, high in the mountains or some small poor villages.
    children too young (younger than 7 usually) who are not mature enough to distinguish between good and bad.
    mentally challenged people who do not have the ability to distinguish between good and bad.

    only people who have heard about Islam and who rejected it...or actively chooses to disbelieve...or believes that besides Allah, there are other Gods...they deserve Hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Media isn't Muslim friendly, so it's not reliable.

    Who's behind IS.?, who is giving them weapons..?

    IS or any group which kills innocent people (even they are non Muslims) doesn't represent Islam.
    I do not believe that the IS are Muslim at all. You cannot go terrorize innocent people. No goal can justify their actions. it is wrong on so many levels.
    They will meet their 70 virgins in thehereafter...but they won't be females...

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Yes but millions of innocents don't know this. In today's life one can't be so concerned with religion that's they start researching it.
    Is it only those stopped their life to pursue religion and I doing so found Islam got salvation but those who devoted to serving humanity didn't?
    life is short brother...but still long enough to think about what you believe. No one is so occupied in life that they had not a chance to think about what will happen to him after death.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    And that's exactly what's wrong. Doesn't anyone think that something is wrong with this? So many genuinely good people go to hell where as a Muslim who JUST HAPPENED to be born in a Muslim household goes to heaven?
    You get to go to heaven since you're born in a Muslim family and not because you made the world a better place? And vice versa Others don't?
    And it was God's decision to put you in a Muslim household. How is this fair?
    No it is not wrong.
    again, they will be rewarded greatly for their efforts, but they will not benefit from it, because it is just temporary...they eventually go to hell for rejecting Islam. (this great reward is just pennies compared to the reward of entering Jannah).

    Quote Originally Posted by lost_one View Post
    Thank you for your time. Thanks to everyone for their effort.

    Anyways so God decided to throw half the population to hell and we're not allowed to question it?
    Please I implore everyone to think about this. Just like we are convinced of going to heaven so many Christians and Jews are too.

    Most of us didn't chose our religion. We got it from parents, never questioned and that's the basis for entrance to paradise?

    Please tell me where? If its true its all I need.
    It is your choice to believe or not. Not God's. God only knows which option you will choose. That is the price of having freedom of choice. if you could not choose between good and bad, then you would not have true freedom of choice.
    freedom of choice is the thing which gives us a higher rank than any other creature of Allah...because we can actually CHOOSE to serve Allah even if we do not have to.

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