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Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

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    Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

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    I know many people who are good at heart and are nice people but they are non-Muslims. Sometimes I wonder whether they deserve the hell fire or not??

    Bill Gates and Melinda Gates are great people and they're also into philanthropy . They're doing alot for the world. Bill Gates doesn't believe in God, he believes only in humanity. He's an open-minded person.
    I wonder did he never come across Islam or the Quran ? Why doesn't he want to become God conscious ? Why can't he accept the fact that God exists ?
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    Kind and good at heart non believers?

    As appose to mean and corrupt at heart believers?

    I suppose heaven and hell are just the souls you are stuck here with.. And only the ignorant wouldn't be able to tell which ones do what.


    This is so and so, 3 thousand people were at his wedding.. look at him now, sat in this room alone, he was introduced to the pretender.

    And by the time he left it he considered both just empty shells of men.

    judgement passed every time they moved their tongues.
    ..
    ..
    I suppose the world works the same for both the believers and non believers, until you meet judgement that is.
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    Greetings and peace be with you Nashita;

    I know many people who are good at heart and are nice people but they are non-Muslims. Sometimes I wonder whether they deserve the hell fire or not??
    Spend some time reflecting on the 99 names of Allah. He is merciful, just, compassionate and it mentions three times that he forgives.

    In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God,

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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A. View Post
    Kind and good at heart non believers?

    As appose to mean and corrupt at heart believers?

    I suppose heaven and hell are just the souls you are stuck here with.. And only the ignorant wouldn't be able to tell which ones do what.


    This is so and so, 3 thousand people were at his wedding.. look at him now, sat in this room alone, he was introduced to the pretender.

    And by the time he left it he considered both just empty shells of men.

    judgement passed every time they moved their tongues.
    ..
    ..
    I suppose the world works the same for both the believers and non believers, until you meet judgement that is.
    I agree that the world works the same for everyone.
    But don't you think hell fire is too harsh for people who are good at heart and kind enough but are non-believers?
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nashita View Post
    I know many people who are good at heart and are nice people but they are non-Muslims. Sometimes I wonder whether they deserve the hell fire or not??

    Bill Gates and Melinda Gates are great people and they're also into philanthropy . They're doing alot for the world. Bill Gates doesn't believe in God, he believes only in humanity. He's an open-minded person.
    I wonder did he never come across Islam or the Quran ? Why doesn't he want to become God conscious ? Why can't he accept the fact that God exists ?
    Do you think, as individuals who don't believe in Allah, as atheists, they care or worry about where their end is? Probably not.
    So why do you?
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    Do you think, as individuals who don't believe in Allah, as atheists, they care or worry about where their end is? Probably not.
    So why do you?
    lol, beat me to it! A twisted reversal of Pascals Wager came to mind,

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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    Do you think, as individuals who don't believe in Allah, as atheists, they care or worry about where their end is? Probably not.
    So why do you?
    Idk but I do worry about everyone's end . I don't want someone who is good at heart and kind burn in the hell fire because they end up being a disbeliever.
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    Allah is the Creator of ALL things. He created Jannah to reward those who believe in Him. He created hell for those who did not. You can be a saint all you want but if you deny Him then what right do you have to His Jannah? And what good is equal to the sin of denying the existence of God or associating partners with Him?

    Educate yourself on your deen and you will understand this better.


    Regarding Bill Gates. He is no saint. He is a the devil as are all his kind. He and his kind are out to commit genocide to reduce the world population, especially for those non white third world countries, like yours. His philanthropy is just a front for his schemes and sins. Here is your bill gates and his foundation:

    Bill Gates admits that the vaccines are for human depopulation. According to him, to stabilize the world population, 350,000 people must be eliminated per day. Bill Gates expound on how we must all consent to a ‘kill the humans’ strategy, to ‘save the planet’ from the carbon dioxide we make. See his lips move. I’m not kidding.




    Bill Gates’ Foundation Used 30,000 Indian Girls and Boys to Test HPV ‘Well-Being’ Vaccine With Alarming Resultshttp://www.healthfreedoms.org/bill-gates-foundation-used-30000-indian-girls-and-boys-to-test-hpv-well-being-vaccine-with-alarming-results/

    India Holds Bill Gates Accountable For His Vaccine Crimes
    https://vactruth.com/2014/10/05/bill...accine-crimes/

    Is India Going after Bill Gates for Poisoning Millions with Vaccinations?
    https://realfarmacy.com/india-going-...-vaccinations/

    47,000 CHILDREN CRIPPLED AND PERMANENTLY DISABLED IN INDIA, A DIRECT RESULT OF BILL GATES’ POLIO VACCINE
    https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpr...polio-vaccine/

    53,000 Paralysis Cases in India From Polio Vaccine In A Year
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress....ice-as-deadly/

    STUDENTS FORCIBLY VACCINATED AT GUNPOINT IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS – EXPRESS TRIBUNE
    https://therefusers.com/students-for...press-tribune/

    Still think Bill Gates is a saint? Educate yourself on the duniya and you will see the reality.

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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    Every sin can be forgiven if sincerely asked for except the sin of associating partners with God.
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Imamah Ali View Post
    Every sin can be forgiven if sincerely asked for except the sin of associating partners with God.
    The question is not about sin here!

    The question asks whether hell fire is just for people who are kind and good at heart but are disbelievers ?
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    Allah is the Creator of ALL things. He created Jannah to reward those who believe in Him. He created hell for those who did not. You can be a saint all you want but if you deny Him then what right do you have to His Jannah? And what good is equal to the sin of denying the existence of God or associating partners with Him?

    Educate yourself on your deen and you will understand this better.


    Regarding Bill Gates. He is no saint. He is a the devil as are all his kind. He and his kind are out to commit genocide to reduce the world population, especially for those non white third world countries, like yours. His philanthropy is just a front for his schemes and sins. Here is your bill gates and his foundation:

    Bill Gates admits that the vaccines are for human depopulation. According to him, to stabilize the world population, 350,000 people must be eliminated per day. Bill Gates expound on how we must all consent to a ‘kill the humans’ strategy, to ‘save the planet’ from the carbon dioxide we make. See his lips move. I’m not kidding.




    Bill Gates’ Foundation Used 30,000 Indian Girls and Boys to Test HPV ‘Well-Being’ Vaccine With Alarming Resultshttp://www.healthfreedoms.org/bill-gates-foundation-used-30000-indian-girls-and-boys-to-test-hpv-well-being-vaccine-with-alarming-results/

    India Holds Bill Gates Accountable For His Vaccine Crimes
    https://vactruth.com/2014/10/05/bill...accine-crimes/

    Is India Going after Bill Gates for Poisoning Millions with Vaccinations?
    https://realfarmacy.com/india-going-...-vaccinations/

    47,000 CHILDREN CRIPPLED AND PERMANENTLY DISABLED IN INDIA, A DIRECT RESULT OF BILL GATES’ POLIO VACCINE
    https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpr...polio-vaccine/

    53,000 Paralysis Cases in India From Polio Vaccine In A Year
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress....ice-as-deadly/

    STUDENTS FORCIBLY VACCINATED AT GUNPOINT IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS – EXPRESS TRIBUNE
    https://therefusers.com/students-for...press-tribune/

    Still think Bill Gates is a saint? Educate yourself on the duniya and you will see the reality.

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    Idk from where you have quoted all this about Bill Gates . I DO NOT AT ALL BELIEVE IT , THIS IS A FAKE NEWS .
    I WONDER WHY SO MUCH OF FAKE NEWS EVERYWHERE THESE DAYS?!
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nashita View Post
    I know many people who are good at heart and are nice people but they are non-Muslims. Sometimes I wonder whether they deserve the hell fire or not??

    Bill Gates and Melinda Gates are great people and they're also into philanthropy . They're doing alot for the world. Bill Gates doesn't believe in God, he believes only in humanity. He's an open-minded person.
    I wonder did he never come across Islam or the Quran ? Why doesn't he want to become God conscious ? Why can't he accept the fact that God exists ?
    https://islamqa.info/en/13350?_e_pi_...0%2C9286132314
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nashita View Post
    The question is not about sin here!

    The question asks whether hell fire is just for people who are kind and good at heart but are disbelievers ?
    You're not getting it. The day of judgement will be so terrifying, that you and I will not even care for our loved ones - we will be too afraid to care. We will be seeking to absolve only ourselves from the punishment of the hellfire. Do not waste your time worrying about that which will not concern you on the day of judgement!

    Did it not occur to you that even believers will have to enter the hellfire if they had sinned?

    Did you not know that EVERYONE sins?

    Did you not understand that to be forgiven, one must seek forgiveness and refrain from sin?

    The prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam worried about the non believers. Do you know what Allah revealed to him?

    Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and] out of sorrow. Qur'an 18/6

    Just one last thing. Muslims are not hippies. So don't act like one! Coz everything is not gonna be alright. It's gonna be as Allah willed! Not how you or I will, do you understand?
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nashita View Post
    I agree that the world works the same for everyone.
    But don't you think hell fire is too harsh for people who are good at heart and kind enough but are non-believers?
    Qur'an 22:17
    Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
    Quran 2:62
    Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
    I don't know why we do and with what intent, I don't know what becomes of it or who follows it..

    And I don't know if it was just.

    But I don't want to be unkind or read things I wouldn't want to read..

    And that's hard because the people I keep seeing did me wrong for about 3 years..

    I don't know why though.

    The whole place runs like clockwork.


    ...you can set your time by them if it would do you any good.

    I just want to get back to work without it costing the world.
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nashita View Post
    Idk from where you have quoted all this about Bill Gates . I DO NOT AT ALL BELIEVE IT , THIS IS A FAKE NEWS .
    I WONDER WHY SO MUCH OF FAKE NEWS EVERYWHERE THESE DAYS?!
    Like i said, EDUCATE yourself.

    Go ask your government, go look at your local news paper. Go meet those health organizations and go meet the parents of those paralyzed girls. stop being a trump.
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nashita View Post
    Idk but I do worry about everyone's end . I don't want someone who is good at heart and kind burn in the hell fire because they end up being a disbeliever.
    What about his sins. How is he repenting for them? Who is he asking for forgiveness? What did he build in his afterlife to live in?

    Your trust in Allah's justice and judgement should be far greater than your worries about those who don't care for what you're even worrying about. I'm sure Bill Gates is not worrying about you. If you're worrying about anyone, then you can give da'wah, but apart from that, everyone is on his own and gets judged accordingly.

    You don't know who is good at heart. That's not one of your capabilities. A person can do one action in the public eye and atrocious sins in private. They can give in charity and publicize themselves for a platform so that they can push their agenda. You don't KNOW everything. You don't have FULL judgement, yet you call a person "good hearted" by the one "good deed" that is shown to you. Don't put anyone on a pedestal, especially when they have no concern for Allah, Islam, and the afterlife. This life is a test for the BELIEVERS. If you don't believe, then you've already failed. It's like submitting a math exam to the literature department; you won't get credit for it; you won't advance; and even if you told everyone you got the answers right, they won't ever count because you never submitted it correctly. It's the same concept. Your deeds don't even count unless you pray to Allah and are well-intended. Your sins are not washed unless you ask Allah for sincere forgiveness and repent. So no matter what you do, if the belief in Allah is not there, then it will always be a worldly action, and this world will cease to exist one day as will everything we put into it. Your deeds have to transcend beyond this world because we are affected negatively by this world and it can prevent us from doing anything good whether we intend it or not, but at least with belief in Allah, we can maintain our good intentions and improve regardless of whether or not this world accepts it and it will be recorded and we will find it later on on our scale of good deeds inshallah.

    Also to offer a bit of perspective, a person who gives away $2 when he has $100, is different than someone who gives away $1 when he only has $2. Just sayin'.
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    Assalamualaikum.

    I have met kindhearted non-Muslims, and I have seen their kindness toward the others. However, I never ask why don't they become Muslim?. But I always ask myself, ... can I, a Muslim, do kindness better than them?. Alhamdulillah, it motivates me to always do kindness toward the others.

    Someone can choose to become religious or become atheist. Someone can choose to embrace Islam or embrace other religion. If those kindhearted non-Muslims choose to not embrace Islam, this is their own choice. You don't need to bother with it. So, rather than you ask why don't they become Muslim, it's better you ask yourself, can you do kindness better than them?.

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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    Do you know a believing Muslim who knows homosexuality is wrong but practices it and have boyfriends and then repents and fails again and goes back until he dies is still better than a kafir who not only believes homosexuality is a sin, does not practice it and of such great heart, he saved billions of Muslim and put all his money in helping the poor and children and and and and and...still in the day of judgement all his good deeds will be like dust blown in the win (for the kafir) and that Muslim who practicied homosexuality after being punished in the grave or hellfire will enter paradise and live eternally happiness in paradise. Reason being is because he KNOWS HOMOSEXUALITY IS HARAAAM, he believes it, he is disgusted from it..but he falls doing haraam and he believes in Allah (Subhanahu Wa talaa), he does not associate partners with him, he believes in quraan and sunnah and he prays his five prayers. He is a Muslim. But doing haraam. Much like Muslim backbiting, drinking alcohol, doing zina, stealing, lying..watching pornography...but they all hold one thing...they are Muslims. THAT IS YOUR key to paradise.

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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    Assalamualaikum.

    I have met kindhearted non-Muslims, and I have seen their kindness toward the others. However, I never ask why don't they become Muslim?. But I always ask myself, ... can I, a Muslim, do kindness better than them?. Alhamdulillah, it motivates me to always do kindness toward the others.

    Someone can choose to become religious or become atheist. Someone can choose to embrace Islam or embrace other religion. If those kindhearted non-Muslims choose to not embrace Islam, this is their own choice. You don't need to bother with it. So, rather than you ask why don't they become Muslim, it's better you ask yourself, can you do kindness better than them?.

    İn other words...what you are really saying is: save your own soul instead of worrying about others...pretty selfish if you ask me....it might be their own choice...but they are not always aware of the great danger behind it.
    İ agree...do not bother others who wish to keep their own religion...but those who are open to İslam...it is our duty to make them aware of these dangers....and then stil they can make their own choices.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead View Post
    Do you know a believing Muslim who knows homosexuality is wrong but practices it and have boyfriends and then repents and fails again and goes back until he dies is still better than a kafir who not only believes homosexuality is a sin, does not practice it and of such great heart, he saved billions of Muslim and put all his money in helping the poor and children and and and and and...still in the day of judgement all his good deeds will be like dust blown in the win (for the kafir) and that Muslim who practicied homosexuality after being punished in the grave or hellfire will enter paradise and live eternally happiness in paradise. Reason being is because he KNOWS HOMOSEXUALITY IS HARAAAM, he believes it, he is disgusted from it..but he falls doing haraam and he believes in Allah (Subhanahu Wa talaa), he does not associate partners with him, he believes in quraan and sunnah and he prays his five prayers. He is a Muslim. But doing haraam. Much like Muslim backbiting, drinking alcohol, doing zina, stealing, lying..watching pornography...but they all hold one thing...they are Muslims. THAT IS YOUR key to paradise.

    WE ARE CREATED FOR ONE PURPOSE...worshiping Allah (Subhnahu Wa Talaa).
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    Re: Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

    Greetings and peace be with you umie;

    what you are really saying is: save your own soul instead of worrying about others...pretty selfish if you ask me....
    Allah chooses whom he wills, as always, it is the will of Allah. By striving to be the best possible Muslim, you might also help.

    Every blessing this Ramadan,

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