I'm sure many of us are guilty of listening to music like pop. But do you think someone like taylor swift is decent to listen to? My neice is just 10 and when I were her age I remember I had old pop favourites too. Her songs don't have bad language and she seems to be liked by everyone.
Logic and minor details are the things that differentiates between a normal moderate muslim and an ISIS-tard.
Look at how they obey their sheikhs without question. Look at how they murder fellow muslims in cold blood, all because they refrain from using their brains.
If you are asking me to use the same way of following sects as they do, then im sorry but i will not abandon my intellect. It is a gift from Allah upon humans to be able to think for themselves, and abandoning it would be a foolish thing to do.
Again, oversimplifying something usually brings a lot more harm than good. Specially when detail is needed to derive rules and commands from religious texts. if it werent important, we wouldn't need all those scholars in the arabic language, let alone scholars in islamic fiqh.
Salam brother.
Literally every time something you more liberal types don't like comes up, you bring ISIS into the conversation when they aren't even relevant. It's getting boring.
Your intellect is not to be used in regards to rules. For rules, you simply investigate if Islam truly commands that and if so, it becomes a rule. Whether or not you understand the ruling is irrelevant.
All instruments other than percussion based ones are almost universally regarded as haram. There is no ambiguity.
ChosenTCO you don't even have an argument. Not Islamically nor logically. You talk about there being a "heated debate" amongst scholars regarding the permissability of Music which is ridiculous when it is clear cut that Music is forbidden by the vast majority of scholars. The only "debate" was as to the type of instruments allowed. Even then it is only allowed in the context of a wedding celebration and the permissability was with regards to a Duff (type of drum). You even stated yourself that it "stirs emotions". You think it stirs the right type of emotions? Nothing but lustful desires!
You talk about intellect? As if the impermissibly of Music is illogical or something. Where is the intellect in allowing music with filthy lyrics and totally nude women destroying the youth and our society? Where is the intellect in stirring up lustful desires? Where is the intellect in allowing that which deters from the remembrance of Allah? You talk about good music? SubhanAllah. There is nothing good in that which is forbidden. You will never find any benefit in it except harm.
SubhanAllah what a sad state of affairs when we side with an occult linked satanic Music industry who uses its puppets to misguide mankind and is rampant with occult symbolism. Yet we try to justify that which is evil. We must wake up and realise what is going on around us!
How can we be so asleep to the true reality of what is going on? Let us ask of Allah to open our eyes. We must go against our desires which is inclined towards that which is evil. If we are so asleep as to the true reality of Music then I really feel for our children. As I stated previously we must educate our children. But how can we if we are not even educated as to the true reality of Music? Then we must learn so our eyes open. The resources are there for us and it is easier to learn about things now than ever before. So there is no excuse for us?
May Allah open our eyes, ears and heart to the truth and awaken us from our deep sleep. Ameen
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ChosenTCO you don't even have an argument. Not Islamically nor logically. You talk about there being a "heated debate" amongst scholars regarding the permissability of Music which is ridiculous when it is clear cut that Music is forbidden by the vast majority of scholars. The only "debate" was as to the type of instruments allowed. Even then it is only allowed in the context of a wedding celebration and the permissability was with regards to a Duff (type of drum). You even stated yourself that it "stirs emotions". You think it stirs the right type of emotions? Nothing but lustful desires!
You talk about intellect? As if the impermissibly of Music is illogical or something. Where is the intellect in allowing music with filthy lyrics and totally nude women destroying the youth and our society? Where is the intellect in stirring up lustful desires? Where is the intellect in allowing that which deters from the remembrance of Allah? You talk about good music? SubhanAllah. There is nothing good in that which is forbidden. You will never find any benefit in it except harm.
SubhanAllah what a sad state of affairs when we side with an occult linked satanic Music industry who uses its puppets to misguide mankind and is rampant with occult symbolism. Yet we try to justify that which is evil. We must wake up and realise what is going on around us!
How can we be so asleep to the true reality of what is going on? Let us ask of Allah to open our eyes. We must go against our desires which is inclined towards that which is evil. If we are so asleep as to the true reality of Music then I really feel for our children. As I stated previously we must educate our children. But how can we if we are not even educated as to the true reality of Music? Then we must learn so our eyes open. The resources are there for us and it is easier to learn about things now than ever before. So there is no excuse for us?
May Allah open our eyes, ears and heart to the truth and awaken us from our deep sleep. Ameen
Is it really me who has no argument? You say that it is clear cut that music is forbidden, yet in the very next sentence, you say that there was a debate about the type of instruments allowed. Why would there be a debate about the instruments if music in of itself is forbidden? It seems to me like you are contradicting yourself and generalizing. Same thing what brother Al Kharasani did.
How can you talk about ”the true reality of music” when all it is to you is “nothing but lustful desires”? How can you talk about its truth when your so misinformed about it? Are you unaware of the massive diversity of music genres that exist today? Are they all lustful in your eyes? How can a song about losing someone be lustful, about war, about life’s hardships, about happiness, about our countries, about those we love, about achievements … all lustful as well?
Its not my state you should be sad about … It seems like you’ve been fed so much hate towards music all you hear about it are the ones talking about girls and naked bodies when there is so much more to music. Its true that that most popular type of songs today are the ones portraying promiscuous girls and promoting nakedness, but that’s not because its all there is to music, its actually because of the media and how they shove it down our throats, posting it on the trending pages of youtube, radio stations, twitter and all that nonsense. But that doesn’t give you the right to go ahead and ban all of it out right.
Like I said before, im not trying to promote music here. All im saying is that if your going to pass information regarding a thing’s permissibility or not, then you shouldn’t generalize because clearly you forbade something which you yourself said to be permissible in certain conditions. So pass your information correctly and specifically lest you want islam to be twisted into something its not.
You speak about my intellect when talking about music and its prohibition. At least I make efforts in understanding the reason of prohibition and not just taking it at the surface level. Knowing the reason for its prohibition will also give you the knowledge of when to apply the prohibition instead of applying it whenever and wherever willy nilly.
If children were to get misguided in life just because of listening to clean pop music (which honestly rarely happens) then that to me says more about the child. That kind of music is meaningless and some children bond over it with others and they make friends. I'm not saying they should buy the cds, no. As long as they do not get obsessed. But, if you think your child is becoming fanatical, then I'd say steer them away. That is when you put a stop to it. But if its something like a birthday party or a few youtube views, why not. They are kids once. They grow up fast. They won't really care about Swift etc when they are older anyway.
Sallam What can I do if I do get obsessed I think I have a problem every few months I become obsessed with like and actress or singer and idk why like it's not funny and now I'm obsessed with taylor I listen to her too much I think about her too much Ik too much about her and I care too much about her do u have a solution please help me please
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