NVM I'm not going to play this game.
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Atheist Internet warrioring in a nutshell: Fool the other guy into believing he bears the burden of proof, and that your epistemological doctrines are objective truths. If all else fails, demand proof of every premise and count on Gödel' Incompleteness Theorem.
It has nothing to do with sincerity, the "support your claim" technique is a widely used way of making the other person to open up first which is what you've been trying to do all along. So don't play victim now.
I already made it clear (page 7 on this thread) why Islam doesn't make sense, no need to keep repeating myself.
Read it and then if you feel like it explain why Islam makes sense to you.
Salaam
That's the point, with people of other faith you can at least have some sort of discussion but with atheists, its pretty much pointless. Not to mention that this debate has been going on for 1000's of years. Though it does interest me why are they so desperate to drag us down into the abyss.Quote:
It is a waste of time to discuss anything with you. As long as you consider Divine guidance to be imaginary, you will never be able to understand our perspective.
If you really want to understand Islam and Muslims, you should first understand our Creator, the Sustainer of everything. Otherwise, we can show you the exit door.
I have to disagree, there’s a lot of nuance when it comes to trolling nowadays, he's trying everything from concern trolling to hard salesman and everything in between. He's not doing a very good job compared to his predecessors on this forum. If he can’t convert then at least subvert. Mind you he's not doing a very good job of it compared to his predecessors.Quote:
He cannot be called a troll. A troll hides himself and misleads people to an idea which would not be expected from him. This user openly reveals himself as an Agnostic who is not compatible with Islam. I believe he is what he appears to be.
This is perceptive, its a powerplay, they want to dominate. We can see how reasonable internet atheists can be.Quote:
So Atheists have a monopoly on reason? Why didn't you tell us straight away? We could have saved much useless back-and-forth that way, you could simply straight up one-way tell us how it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqdNYQpuNZg&t=50s
Even the more intelligent ones can hold questionable views.
https://www.islamicboard.com/images/...ISTLOGIC-1.jpg
In a debate on the existence of God this atheist philosopher didn't seem to understand the basics.
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Hi! First of all, Craig's point is that Dennet agreed with both premises and the conclusion, but argued that the universe caused itself which is impossible. Secondly, the first premise is necessarily true since it is logically impossible for nothing to cause anything. That applies to both tables and universes. To claim that the universe began to exist without a cause out of nothing is to argue for something that is both illogical and impossible.
Obviously he's sharpened up, but demonstrates the point, nobodies perfect.
It is not even the burden of proof that I am afraid of. we are not desperately defending the flat earth theory here. Again, Islam is very logical...if only this dude was a little more cooperative and explained what exactly does not make sense in Islam according to him.
Instead, he gives us a vague description where to look for this issue...whatever tactics that may be.
But it doesn't matter.
@Raymann
May I remind you that you are the one coming here demanding an explanation for things that are not clear to you...So please explain or otherwise we are not able to help you.
Now, if I put in extra effort to follow your description and in "settings" I put the "amount of posts per page" on "forum default", then on page 7 I will find these posts of yours:
So if I swipe the endless gibberish away...it all boils down to the points we already had:
"God cannot be proven, so I do not believe."
and
"Could God not find a better way to communicate then to send prophets?"
anything else? or did I miss anything?
Peace be upon those who accept guidance
Our job as Muslims is not to make you believe, only Allah can make you do that. Our job and our responsibility towards you is to convey the message so that is exactly what I'm going to do
The beliefs of Islam are simple. Allah is one he has no partners whatsoever. He sends prophets to convey his message to mankind. Some of these Messengers you are familiar with like Moses and jesus alayhis salam however the teachings they were sent with were corrupted by subsequent generations so Allah sent a final Messenger to mankind Muhammad sallaho alayhi wa sallam and revealed a book al Qurān
If you accept this message and die upon that then InshaAllah paradise will be your abode. If you reject then you are risking a fire whose fuel is men and stones
Now I'm guessing your reaction to this will be to turn away arrogantly and scoff but I'm cool with that, I've done my job but before you go let me share a verse from the Qurān with you. You want to know if Islam is true or not? Why don't you test this verse out
Allah subhanahu wa ta ala says (translation of meaning) And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed life, and We will gather him on the Day of Resurrection blind."
20:125
So when your life becomes miserable and it will, know that you can turn back to Allah in repentance and accept his religion or you can persist in misguidance and be punished in both the worlds
Peace be upon those who accept guidance
Oh and btw you should really try humble yourself. Arrogance may make you feel like you are great in your own eyes but to everyone else you're just a sad little man
Who are you to tell what's illogical and what's impossible?
But for argument sake let's follow your logic.
NOTHING BEGINS WITHOUT A CAUSE that's your premise, isn't it?
Problem number 1. Who created God? NOTHING BEGINS WITHOUT A CAUSE, that should include God too.
And who created what created God, and so forth.
Let's go step by step.
Answer that and we'll go to step 2.
Well, somewhere along the thread I also said I could find a million reasons why Islam doesn't make sense.
I also said I'm not here to impose my belief nor to adopt yours that's why I have been reluctant to go deep into the subject.
You hinted you could explain it as you've done in the past but you seem hesitant and afraid of wasting your time.
I don't blame you, I cannot promise you, your arguments would convince me.
Thanks for your post and explanation and although I admire your faith I still see no reason to believe.
This thread is badly off topic. And no one ever responded to my arguments about free speech.
https://www.islamicboard.com/general...ml#post2999885
Freedom of Speech - Page 6
I wish Muslims knew what Freedom of Speech really is but I know there's no hope....
''Hate speech should be protected under free speech. If someone hates a race or religion or even God, he should be free to say so.''
So this is your free speech....?