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    Re: Dajjal's new Deadly, 5G Technology

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    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    There are more or less 40 sects in shia and most of them kafir but a few.

    At least, us, laymen shouldn't label any scholar as murtad or kafir for not calling shias as kafir, this I say,

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    Allah says in Surah Jaathiyyah:

    محمد رسول الله والذين معه أشداء على الكفار رحماء بينهم تراهم ركعاً سجداً يبتغون فضلاً من الله و رضواناً سيماهم في وجوههم من أثر السجود ذلك مثلهم في التوراة و مثلهم في الإنجيل كزرع أخرج شطئه فآزره فاستغلظ فاستوى على سوقه يعجب الزراع ليغيظ بهم الكفار

    (Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.)

    Ibn Katheer said in his Tafseer (4/219):

    ومن هذه الآية انتزع الإمام مالك رحمة الله عليه في رواية عنه بتكفير الروافض الذين يبغضون الصحابة رضي الله عنهم قال : لأنهم يغيظونهم ومن غاظ الصحابة رضي الله عنهم فهو كافر لهذه الآية ووافقه طائفة من العلماء رضي الله عنهم على ذلك

    (And in this verse Imaam Maalik (رحمه الله) used as evidence for the Takfeer of the Rawaafidh, those who are enraged with the Sahaabah رضي الله عنهم. He said:

    “That is because they become enraged with them and whoever is enraged with the Sahaabah رضي الله عنهم then he is a Kaafir (disbeliever) due to this verse” and a group of the Ulemaa (scholars), may Allaah be pleased with them, agreed with him on that.)

    Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah mentioned in his Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (4/435):

    قيل للإمام أحمد‏:‏ من الرافضي‏؟‏ قال‏:‏ الذي يسب أبا بكر وعمر‏.‏ وبهذا سميت الرافضة، فإنهم رفضوا زيد بن علي لما تولى الخليفتين أبا بكر وعمر، لبغضهم لهما، فالمبغض لهما هو الرافضي، وقيل‏:‏ إنما سموا رافضة لرفضهم أبا بكر وعمر

    (It was said to Imaam Ahmad: “Who is the Raafidhee?” He said: “Those who insult Abaa Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra. And by this they were named the Raafidah, for they rejected Zayd bin ‘Alee when he gave allegiance to the two Khaleefah’s Abu Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra, because of their hatred for them. And the one who hates them is the Raafidhee.” And they were named as the Raafidhah because of their rejection of Abu Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra.)

    Al-Khallaal also reported (2/557 – 558) that Imaam Ahmad said:

    من شتم أخاف عليه الكفر مثل الروافض

    (The one who reviles the Companions, I fear for him the disbelieve like that of the Rawaafidh)

    Ibn Taymiyyah recorded in his Minhaaj as-Sunnah (1/69):

    قال أبو حاتم الرازي سمعت يونس بن عبد الأعلى يقول قال أشهب بن عبد العزيز سئل مالك عن
    الرافضة فقال لا تكلمهم ولا ترو عنهم فإنهم يكذبون وقال أبو حاتم حدثنا حرملة قال سمعت الشافعي يقول لم أر أحدا أشهد بالزور من الرافضة

    (Aboo Haatim ar-Raazee (d.277H) said, “I heard Yoonus bin ‘Abd al-A’laa saying: Ashhaab bin ‘Abdul’Azeez asked Maalik (d.179H) about the Raafidah, so he said, “Do not speak to them and do not narrate from them, since they lie. And Aboo Haatim said, “Harmalah related to us saying: I heard ash-Shaafi’ee (d.204H) saying, “I have not seen anyone testifying for more evil than the Raafidah.”)
    Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abd al-Wahhab (may God Almighty have mercy on him) mentioned: "Whoso does not declare takfir on the idolaters or doubts their kufr is himself a disbeliever."

    Sheikh Ibn Baz said: "Supporting and assisting the polytheists against the Muslims. The proof for this is the saying of Allah (Exalted be He): And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ’, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust)." (Just listen to how he praises Iran and Russia)

    Sheikh Ibn Baz also said: "Whoever believes that it is permitted for some people to be free of (implementing) the Shari`ah (Islamic law) brought with Muhammad (peace be upon him), then he is a disbeliever. Allah (Exalted be He) says: And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (He has condemned Islamic conquests such as that of Constantinople from the Byzanintes which could also be related to the above quote)

    Sheikh Ibn Baz has also said: "Whoever hates something that the Messenger (peace be upon him) came with, even though he may act on it, has disbelieved. Allah (Exalted be He) says: That is because they hate that which Allâh has sent down (this Qur’ân and Islâmic laws, etc.); so He has made their deeds fruitless." (On numerous occaions he has casted doubt on Sahih Hadith of the Prophet (SAAWS) and righteous companions in favor of his love to the Rafidhi Mushrikin which is related to the nullification of supporting the disbelievers against the believers)

    Sheikh Ibn Baz has also agreed with Sheikh Ibn Abdul Wahab in saying: "Whoever does not hold the polytheists to be disbelievers, has doubts about their disbelief or considers their ways and beliefs to be correct has committed disbelief." (There is Ijma on this)
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    Re: Dajjal's new Deadly, 5G Technology

    format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    You mean what Ibn Hajar al-asqalaani, the commander of the believers in hadiith, has said is incorrect.

    التشيع في عرف المتقدمين هو اعتقاد تفضيل علي على عثمان ، وأن عليا كان مصيبا في حروبه ، وأن مخالفه مخطئ ، مع تقديم الشيخين وتفضيلهما ، وربما اعتقد بعضهم أن عليا أفضل الخلق بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وإذا كان معتقد ذلك ورعا دينا صادقا مجتهدا فلا ترد روايته بهذا ، لا سيما إن كان غير داعية .
    وأما التشيع في عرف المتأخرين فهو الرفض المحض ، فلا تقبل رواية الرافضي الغالي ولا كرامة


    He says (paraphrase):

    The Shia in the 'urf of the earlier generations were those who believed that Ali was better than Uthmaan and that Ali was right in his decision while those who opposed him were wrong and along with this they gave precedence to Abu Bakr and Umar. And how many times some believed that Ali was the best of creation after the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam). If someone believed that and was pious in Diin, truthful, and a Mujtahid then his narration was not rejected especially if he was not one who called toward his Shiaism.

    As for the Shia in the urf of the later generations then they are the Raafidi and their narrations are not accepted...


    Now, you say Ibn Hajar was wrong.

    Tell us the narrators from whom al-Bukhaari narrated who were Raafidi who cursed the Companions. Please provide reference where these narrators cursed the Companions.

    Can you do that or do you admit your comparison was completely incorrect?
    Allah says in Surah Jaathiyyah:
    محمد رسول الله والذين معه أشداء على الكفار رحماء بينهم تراهم ركعاً سجداً يبتغون فضلاً من الله و رضواناً سيماهم في وجوههم من أثر السجود ذلك مثلهم في التوراة و مثلهم في الإنجيل كزرع أخرج شطئه فآزره فاستغلظ فاستوى على سوقه يعجب الزراع ليغيظ بهم الكفار
    (Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.)

    Ibn Katheer said in his Tafseer (4/219):
    ومن هذه الآية انتزع الإمام مالك رحمة الله عليه في رواية عنه بتكفير الروافض الذين يبغضون الصحابة رضي الله عنهم قال : لأنهم يغيظونهم ومن غاظ الصحابة رضي الله عنهم فهو كافر لهذه الآية ووافقه طائفة من العلماء رضي الله عنهم على ذلك
    (And in this verse Imaam Maalik (رحمه الله) used as evidence for the Takfeer of the Rawaafidh, those who are enraged with the Sahaabah رضي الله عنهم. He said:
    “That is because they become enraged with them and whoever is enraged with the Sahaabah رضي الله عنهم then he is a Kaafir (disbeliever) due to this verse” and a group of the Ulemaa (scholars), may Allaah be pleased with them, agreed with him on that.)

    Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah mentioned in his Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (4/435):
    قيل للإمام أحمد‏:‏ من الرافضي‏؟‏ قال‏:‏ الذي يسب أبا بكر وعمر‏.‏ وبهذا سميت الرافضة، فإنهم رفضوا زيد بن علي لما تولى الخليفتين أبا بكر وعمر، لبغضهم لهما، فالمبغض لهما هو الرافضي، وقيل‏:‏ إنما سموا رافضة لرفضهم أبا بكر وعمر
    (It was said to Imaam Ahmad: “Who is the Raafidhee?” He said: “Those who insult Abaa Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra. And by this they were named the Raafidah, for they rejected Zayd bin ‘Alee when he gave allegiance to the two Khaleefah’s Abu Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra, because of their hatred for them. And the one who hates them is the Raafidhee.” And they were named as the Raafidhah because of their rejection of Abu Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra.)

    Al-Khallaal also reported (2/557 – 558) that Imaam Ahmad said:
    من شتم أخاف عليه الكفر مثل الروافض
    (The one who reviles the Companions, I fear for him the disbelieve like that of the Rawaafidh)

    Ibn Taymiyyah recorded in his Minhaaj as-Sunnah (1/69):
    قال أبو حاتم الرازي سمعت يونس بن عبد الأعلى يقول قال أشهب بن عبد العزيز سئل مالك عن
    الرافضة فقال لا تكلمهم ولا ترو عنهم فإنهم يكذبون وقال أبو حاتم حدثنا حرملة قال سمعت الشافعي يقول لم أر أحدا أشهد بالزور من الرافضة

    (Aboo Haatim ar-Raazee (d.277H) said, “I heard Yoonus bin ‘Abd al-A’laa saying: Ashhaab bin ‘Abdul’Azeez asked Maalik (d.179H) about the Raafidah, so he said, “Do not speak to them and do not narrate from them, since they lie. And Aboo Haatim said, “Harmalah related to us saying: I heard ash-Shaafi’ee (d.204H) saying, “I have not seen anyone testifying for more evil than the Raafidah.”)

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    Regarding Abbad bin yaqub being narrator of Bukhari we discussed this issue last year if your memory isn't weak and you accepted his only narration in Bukhari as maqroon.

    Interesting thing is that I took help of muslimscholars.info to prove it and now when I searched this narrator again on this site, there is no abbad bin yaqoob...?

    Anyways, I saw something here.

    2. Abbad bin Ya’qoob: is a rafidhi.

    However, he only has one narration in Saheeh Al-Bukhari which is maqroon, which means that there were two chains that narrated the same hadith. So, this doesn’t imply a strengthening of his hadith by Al-Bukhari.

    3. Abdulmalik bin A’ayan:
    seems to be a rafidhi.

    However, he only has one narration in Saheeh Al-Bukhari which is maqroon, which means that there were two chains that narrated the same hadith. So, this doesn’t imply a strengthening of his hadith by Al-Bukhari.

    Bukhari did include other narrators that have narrated the same hadiths ofAbbad bin Ya’qoub and Abdulmalik bin A’ayan & therefore due to same matn bukhari authenticated it. Below is that chain:

    حدثني سليمان حدثنا شعبة عن الوليدحو حدثني عباد بن يعقوب الأسدي أخبرنا عباد بن العوام عن الشيباني عن الوليدبن العيزار عن أبي عمرو الشيباني عن ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه
    أن رجلا سأل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أي الأعمال أفضل قال الصلاة لوقتها وبر الوالدين ثم الجهاد في سبيل الله

    and…

    حدثنا الحميدي حدثنا سفيانحدثنا عبد الملك بن أعينوجامع بن أبي راشدعن أبي وائل عن عبد الله رضي الله عنه قال
    قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من اقتطع مال امرئ مسلم بيمين كاذبة لقي الله وهو عليه غضبان قال عبد الله ثم قرأ رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم مصداقه من كتاب الله جل ذكره
    { إن الذين يشترون بعهد الله وأيمانهم ثمنا قليلا أولئك لا خلاق لهم في الآخرة ولا يكلمهم الله }
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    Re: Dajjal's new Deadly, 5G Technology

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Allah says in Surah Jaathiyyah:
    محمد رسول الله والذين معه أشداء على الكفار رحماء بينهم تراهم ركعاً سجداً يبتغون فضلاً من الله و رضواناً سيماهم في وجوههم من أثر السجود ذلك مثلهم في التوراة و مثلهم في الإنجيل كزرع أخرج شطئه فآزره فاستغلظ فاستوى على سوقه يعجب الزراع ليغيظ بهم الكفار
    (Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.)

    Ibn Katheer said in his Tafseer (4/219):
    ومن هذه الآية انتزع الإمام مالك رحمة الله عليه في رواية عنه بتكفير الروافض الذين يبغضون الصحابة رضي الله عنهم قال : لأنهم يغيظونهم ومن غاظ الصحابة رضي الله عنهم فهو كافر لهذه الآية ووافقه طائفة من العلماء رضي الله عنهم على ذلك
    (And in this verse Imaam Maalik (رحمه الله) used as evidence for the Takfeer of the Rawaafidh, those who are enraged with the Sahaabah رضي الله عنهم. He said:
    “That is because they become enraged with them and whoever is enraged with the Sahaabah رضي الله عنهم then he is a Kaafir (disbeliever) due to this verse” and a group of the Ulemaa (scholars), may Allaah be pleased with them, agreed with him on that.)

    Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah mentioned in his Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (4/435):
    قيل للإمام أحمد‏:‏ من الرافضي‏؟‏ قال‏:‏ الذي يسب أبا بكر وعمر‏.‏ وبهذا سميت الرافضة، فإنهم رفضوا زيد بن علي لما تولى الخليفتين أبا بكر وعمر، لبغضهم لهما، فالمبغض لهما هو الرافضي، وقيل‏:‏ إنما سموا رافضة لرفضهم أبا بكر وعمر
    (It was said to Imaam Ahmad: “Who is the Raafidhee?” He said: “Those who insult Abaa Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra. And by this they were named the Raafidah, for they rejected Zayd bin ‘Alee when he gave allegiance to the two Khaleefah’s Abu Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra, because of their hatred for them. And the one who hates them is the Raafidhee.” And they were named as the Raafidhah because of their rejection of Abu Bakr ra and ‘Umar ra.)

    Al-Khallaal also reported (2/557 – 558) that Imaam Ahmad said:
    من شتم أخاف عليه الكفر مثل الروافض
    (The one who reviles the Companions, I fear for him the disbelieve like that of the Rawaafidh)

    Ibn Taymiyyah recorded in his Minhaaj as-Sunnah (1/69):
    قال أبو حاتم الرازي سمعت يونس بن عبد الأعلى يقول قال أشهب بن عبد العزيز سئل مالك عن
    الرافضة فقال لا تكلمهم ولا ترو عنهم فإنهم يكذبون وقال أبو حاتم حدثنا حرملة قال سمعت الشافعي يقول لم أر أحدا أشهد بالزور من الرافضة

    (Aboo Haatim ar-Raazee (d.277H) said, “I heard Yoonus bin ‘Abd al-A’laa saying: Ashhaab bin ‘Abdul’Azeez asked Maalik (d.179H) about the Raafidah, so he said, “Do not speak to them and do not narrate from them, since they lie. And Aboo Haatim said, “Harmalah related to us saying: I heard ash-Shaafi’ee (d.204H) saying, “I have not seen anyone testifying for more evil than the Raafidah.”)

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    Regarding Abbad bin yaqub being narrator of Bukhari we discussed this issue last year if your memory isn't weak and you accepted his only narration in Bukhari as maqroon.

    Interesting thing is that I took help of muslimscholars.info to prove it and now when I searched this narrator again on this site, there is no abbad bin yaqoob...?

    Anyways, I saw something here.

    2. Abbad bin Ya’qoob: is a rafidhi.

    However, he only has one narration in Saheeh Al-Bukhari which is maqroon, which means that there were two chains that narrated the same hadith. So, this doesn’t imply a strengthening of his hadith by Al-Bukhari.

    3. Abdulmalik bin A’ayan:
    seems to be a rafidhi.

    However, he only has one narration in Saheeh Al-Bukhari which is maqroon, which means that there were two chains that narrated the same hadith. So, this doesn’t imply a strengthening of his hadith by Al-Bukhari.

    Bukhari did include other narrators that have narrated the same hadiths ofAbbad bin Ya’qoub and Abdulmalik bin A’ayan & therefore due to same matn bukhari authenticated it. Below is that chain:

    حدثني سليمان حدثنا شعبة عن الوليدحو حدثني عباد بن يعقوب الأسدي أخبرنا عباد بن العوام عن الشيباني عن الوليدبن العيزار عن أبي عمرو الشيباني عن ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه
    أن رجلا سأل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أي الأعمال أفضل قال الصلاة لوقتها وبر الوالدين ثم الجهاد في سبيل الله

    and…

    حدثنا الحميدي حدثنا سفيانحدثنا عبد الملك بن أعينوجامع بن أبي راشدعن أبي وائل عن عبد الله رضي الله عنه قال
    قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من اقتطع مال امرئ مسلم بيمين كاذبة لقي الله وهو عليه غضبان قال عبد الله ثم قرأ رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم مصداقه من كتاب الله جل ذكره
    { إن الذين يشترون بعهد الله وأيمانهم ثمنا قليلا أولئك لا خلاق لهم في الآخرة ولا يكلمهم الله }
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    Here's the thing, the Shia have the worst traits of the Khawarij and the Mushrikin combined yet have the nerve to claim Islam as their religion, Muhammad as their Prophet, and Ali as their Amir
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    Re: Dajjal's new Deadly, 5G Technology

    format_quote Originally Posted by JustTime View Post
    Here's the thing, the Shia have the worst traits of the Khawarij and the Mushrikin combined yet have the nerve to claim Islam as their religion, Muhammad as their Prophet, and Ali as their Amir
    I have no sympathy with shia. Also I dislike labeling any scholar as murtad
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    Re: Dajjal's new Deadly, 5G Technology

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    I have no sympathy with shia. Also I dislike labeling any scholar as murtad
    How is he a scholar? Who has he studied under and where?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
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    Regarding Abbad bin yaqub being narrator of Bukhari we discussed this issue last year if your memory isn't weak and you accepted his only narration in Bukhari as maqroon.

    Interesting thing is that I took help of muslimscholars.info to prove it and now when I searched this narrator again on this site, there is no abbad bin yaqoob...?
    Searching in English has its perils. He is still on the website here with a misspelled name in English.

    His case is a bit perplexing because Saalih bin Muhammad who Imaam al-Dhahabi terms an Imaam and haafiz and hujjah claimed that Abbaad bin Ya'quub reviled Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him).

    That leaves you to wonder why Ibn Hajar said what he said about al-Bukhaari not narrating from those who reviled the Companions.
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    Re: Dajjal's new Deadly, 5G Technology

    format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    Searching in English has its perils. He is still on the website here with a misspelled name in English.

    His case is a bit perplexing because Saalih bin Muhammad who Imaam al-Dhahabi terms an Imaam and haafiz and hujjah claimed that Abbaad bin Ya'quub reviled Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him).

    That leaves you to wonder why Ibn Hajar said what he said about al-Bukhaari not narrating from those who reviled the Companions.
    It wonders me to read when Ibn hajar rh writes in tahdhib:

    ''Ibn ‘Adi rh said: He used to denounce the Salaf.

    Salih b. Muhammad rh said: He used to denounce ‘Uthman RA.''

    Imam Bukhari rh accepted his hadith.....?

    And what have you been claiming about ibn hajar rh, so far...?
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    Re: Dajjal's new Deadly, 5G Technology

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    It wonders me to read when Ibn hajar rh writes in tahdhib:

    ''Ibn ‘Adi rh said: He used to denounce the Salaf.

    Salih b. Muhammad rh said: He used to denounce ‘Uthman RA.''

    Imam Bukhari rh accepted his hadith.....?

    And what have you been claiming about ibn hajar rh, so far...?
    Your English is very weak.

    I haven't been claiming anything. He said it.

    If you can't find it that shows you cannot properly research
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    Re: Dajjal's new Deadly, 5G Technology

    format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    Your English is very weak.

    I haven't been claiming anything. He said it.

    If you can't find it that shows you cannot properly research
    Do you have ability to understand your own post....?
    If yes, then read again: #56,#60,#66 and then the link of muslimscholars you gave concerning Abbad b yaqub.

    If not, then accept and InshaAllah I'll let you know what you have written...
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