Do you hate modern Western culture?

format_quote Originally Posted by Junon

Hah I see feminism is is not a new phenomena.

Feminism is not new at all. It was present in most decaying cultures in history. It is described in the Old Testament by Isaiah. Aristophanes ridiculed feminism in Ancient Athens. It was present in the Abbasid Caliphate. This is briefly described here:

http://www.mikraite.org/file/n16/fate.pdf

But the strongest evidence comes from the book "Sex and Culture".

https://archive.org/details/b20442580

https://www.amazon.com/SEX-CULTURE-J...dp/B000K7AQFC/

format_quote Originally Posted by Junon

Correct me if Im wrong it usually starts of with reasonable and legimitate demands (no big secret that men throughout the ages have abused their position of power) but as it progresses its demands become more and more 'radical'. Perhaps they are trying create a matriarchy?

We are unlikely to agree on the cause because I base my thinking on evolution. Basically once punishment for adultery is removed then it becomes in women's evolutionary self-interest to become s-l-u-t-s and feminism is basically a s-l-u-t movement. But what I think we would agree on is that Islam solves the problem in a fair and balanced way. Islam protects women's rights while encouraging modesty and appropriately punishing adultery with a hundred lashes. This should prevent feminism.

Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H

Greetings and peace be with you fschmidt;



Joining a good religion is a start, but we should do more in society than attend religious services.



Ok, I am a member of a bad religion in your opinion, but I actively do things to help the homeless, I help people with addiction problems. We are part of a group that opened up a basics food bank in our area, we have opened up two homeless shelters and much more in recent years.

We need to do more than make judgements about other groups of people, we have to do something to make a difference.

Blessings
Eric

This is laudable, but is being a 'good' person and 'good' works is enough? Seems like many Christians have embraced a type liberal indifferentism when it comes to their faith, one of the main reasons why Christianity has gone into such decline (UK).

The liberal/leftist wing from within/outwith your Church who encourage this 'indifferentism' dont practice it when it comes to proselytising their worldviews, odd that. . . . .but then perhaps that was part of the 'plan'.

Mill's thought as a coherent whole with a specific proselytising purpose, geared to the emasculation of Christianity and its replacement by a libertarian public doctrine.


Yeah I know its Milo but this is relevant.

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MILO YIANNOPOULOS HAS EXPERIENCED THE MORAL DECAY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FIRST-HAND. NOW HE WANTS TO FIX IT—STARTING WITH POPE FRANCIS.Who is the real Pope Francis? And can the Church survive him? Milo Yiannopoulos traces the origins of the Church’s descent into sin and shame, pointing the finger at left-wing reformers, trendy progressive bishops, gay clergy, and ultimately, Francis himself.

In DIABOLICAL, Milo Yiannopoulos levels his critical eye and legendarily caustic wit at the Catholic Church, an institution he reveres but which, under the leadership of a “Lavender Mafia” of left-wing gay bishops, has become shambolic and depraved. Yes, there really is a gay mafia. And yes, their outfits are fabulous.The Catholic Church hasn’t had a crisis like this since the Reformation. It won’t survive unless it learns how to talk to men again, sets aside transitory political nostrums like environmentalism and identity politics, and gets back to worshiping Almighty God.

Salaam

format_quote Originally Posted by DanEdge

Interesting photo. The way the picture is stylized, the woman reading the magazine is depicted as the defiant hero, not as a moral degenerate.

Yeah thats the point, shes obviously been 'liberated' from her 'servitude', this tired old trope.. . . . .

Muslim women of twitter have been very critical, they consider it very patronising.

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Not to forget.

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To sum up.

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Salaam

Relevant like to share. One explanation for the genesis of modernity.

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Moderns starting to realize how inhumanly difficult their morality is

Modern morality is often thought of as a deliverance from the harshness of past moral codes. But that’s only because we don’t take it seriously. If we do, then it is absolutely inhuman in its demands, a sprit-crushing, insatiable monstrosity, whether modern morals are taken in their Kantian-personalist or, especially, in their utilitarian form. Can you imagine being required to maximize the total happiness of mankind, never treat anyone as a mere means, or value everyone on Earth’s happiness equally with your own every moment of every day? Every human good would be strangled, and no one could ever be happy again. One begins to appreciate that the legalism and casuistry of pre-modern morality functioned not to burden mankind but to us from the hell of unbounded altruism.

This has not gone unnoticed by the moderns. See this review of Susan Wolf’s “Moral saints”, namely an argument against trying to become one. Wolf appeals to all the “non-moral” goods that can only be preserved if we limit our commitment to modern morality. Interestingly, the reviewer, Daniel Callcut, points out that one way to escape from the dilemma would be to return to pre-modern virtue ethics, in which an altruism restricted to neighbors is held in balance with other goods as parts of a comprehensive good life, and he notes that Wolf rejects this option. Wolf is left to construct a solution which limits universalist altruism while granting it the monopoly on morality it has had in modern thought.

She must claim that we should be somewhat altruistic but that we should not aspire to “moral sainthood”, i.e. allow the admitted demands of morality to entirely structure our lives and crowd out other goods. Indeed, I agree that one should not allow utilitarian ethics to ruin one’s life, but I see no way to coherently assert this while admitting utilitarian ethics. One is applying to a “should” which is more authoritative than the “should” of morality, but such a thing cannot exist. The ruling “should” is one’s true morality, and it’s better to make it explicit.

https://bonald.wordpress.com/2018/12...r-morality-is/

Greetings and peace be with you Dan,

format_quote Originally Posted by DanEdge

Interesting photo. The way the picture is stylized, the woman reading the magazine is depicted as the defiant hero, not as a moral degenerate.

On the surface, this picture seems harmless enough, but its message is clearly to push the boundaries. What would the next picture show, the boundaries would have to be pushed a little further to have an impact. Would the woman be wearing a short skirt and a low cut top? How could you do a follow up from this, what boundaries could you push further?

When it becomes acceptable to break the seemingly little laws, the more important bigger laws will soon become under threat.

In the spirit of searching for the laws of God,
Eric

Greetings and peace be with you ardianto;

That picture was taken from "Changing your perspective" advertisement by Reporter magazine. And this just one from three picture in that ad campaign. You can see two other pictures in this link : https://www.collater.al/en/changing-...ter-magazines/

Thanks for the link, I preferred the other two pictures of the lone person walking away from a riot and war.

Blessings
Eric

Salaam

Another update. the Moderns are prosletysing again, and what do they attack? the bedrock of an Islamic society, the family. How surprising .

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The Delusion of Individualism Spreading to the Muslim World

If you thought the Muslim world was safe from the extreme individualism and hedonism of the West, think again. Westernized Muslims are pushing these destructive values in Muslim newspapers around the world. One recent example comes from Morocco World News, where Houda rants about the “cultural” emphasis on marriage and child rearing:

I have decided to write this after having gone through quite a bit of criticism over the past few months (or is it years, I don’t remember). My ideas and beliefs are apparently so outlandish that people around me feel obliged to criticize me and “wake me up” from my “delusions.” Am I an alien who needs to be taken back to its planet, or am I simply, harmlessly different?

My “unforgivable,” bizarre ideas often revolve around me trying to convince people that marriage and/or having children is not made for everybody. Marriage and procreating are first and foremost choices; choices that no single person has a say in, except he/she who wants to or does not want to get married and procreate.

We know from Allah and his Messenger ﷺ that one of Iblis’ tactics, when it comes to leading astray the human being, is to whisper things to him until he can’t differentiate between his own thoughts and the whisperings of the Devil. Here, the author is under the delusion that she is arguing for something special and unheard of when, in fact, she is just regurgitating the talking points of the noxious modernist dogmas. This delusion of choice as superseding all else is the rotten fruit of the pernicious indoctrination that we’ve all been victims of through multiple means, from secular state education to various forms of entertainment. Such ideas are shoved down our throats by the most politically dominant entity of our era, Western imperialism, and have been used as a justification to invade and colonize the Muslim world for more than two centuries. Once ideals of individual choice settle into the heart, one will inevitably start to feel disdain towards Islamic values, which do not have such a self-centered emphasis.

Society and its constituents have placed norms and constraints on our lives to the point where most of us follow the crowd, abide by many unwritten rules and bury our real desires somewhere deep down, just to fit in. Well, as much as it is a choice not to question who put those boundaries on our lifestyles and where they come from, isn’t it also a choice not to conform? Not to want what everybody else wants?

The institution of marriage is clearly a major part of Islam. Making a case against it and, thus, contributing to its decline isn’t just challenging a culture. Rather, it is tantamount to arguing against the way of life that God revealed for our own salvation and fulfillment.

Let’s clarify something. When we label a practice as “cultural,” we are merely saying that this practice can be found among this given group of people. In other words, any social practice can be labelled as “cultural.” The potential problem with such categorization is that it can detach practices from their origins, deeper meanings, and significations. We must keep in mind that ultimately “cultural practices” have their roots in the way(s) of life (Dīn) of the individuals that compose such a society. We must avoid two extremes: 1) To blindly assume that every single facet of a Muslim culture is from Islam, and 2) To blindly assume that not a single facet of a Muslim culture is from Islam. The truth is, some “cultural” practices are grounded in Islam and others are not. As Muslims, we must make sure that what is being labelled as a “cultural” practice isn’t a part of Islam before critiquing or discarding it, otherwise we are attacking Islam unknowingly.

Yet, here we have a Muslim writer attacking marriage as a “cultural” byproduct. Is this mere confusion and ignorance? Or is it a manifestation of the colonial project to undermine Islamic values and supplant them with the liberal emphasis on individual choice at all costs?

Going back to the topic of getting married, I strongly believe that for self-made, well-established, independent human beings, marriage is not a priority anymore. A lot of people want to focus more on their personal and professional development rather than spend their time and energy on a relationship that may or may not work out in the end.

The author fancies herself unique because she is by breaking off from the herd of people wanting to get married. Ironically, the global trend is people not wanting to get married, so she isn’t unique or special at all. Nonetheless, she argues that an individualistic lifestyle is incompatible with marriage… Well, of course an individualistic lifestyle isn’t going to sit well with marriage or any kind of meaningful relationship for that matter! Prioritizing yourself over others is not a recipe for successfully connecting with other human beings. The real question is: Is an individualistic lifestyle fulfilling? Will it lead to happiness and contentment?

The answer is a resounding “No!” Human beings aren’t individualistic by psychological and sociological necessity. Our need for love and belongingness as well as many of our physiological needs require deep and meaningful relationships in order to be fulfilled. Sexual needs for example. Unless you want to live a life of sexual frustration or meaningless, debased fornication, you have no choice but to get married. The love and mercy that Allah places in the hearts of legitimately married couples are the antithesis of this individualistic pursuit of personal hedonistic satisfaction.

Ultimately, this is exactly what individualism calls towards: The perpetual repression and misdirection of our authentic human desires, e.g., for marriage, for childbearing, for loving families, etc., and the implantation of artificial desires, e.g., for career, endless personal choice, individual satisfaction, etc. Islam, in stark contrast, recognizes authentic human needs and is, thus, perfectly in line with human nature for the simple reason that Islam was sent by the One who created human nature in the first place. Allah sent guidance for our own betterment and fulfillment, fulfillment that can never be attained in the cold, desolate dystopia of modernist individualism.

“And Allah wants to lighten for you [your difficulties]; and mankind was created weak.” Quran: 4:28

https://muslimskeptic.com/2019/01/14...-muslim-world/