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    Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind (OP)


    This is a Sunnah that predates Islam all the way upto Adam and his children. Qabil disliked Habil and eventually killed him it was jealousy, personal reasons but also because he was a non-believer where as Habil was believer.

    The previous believers, prophets and saints have all come under severe target by the non-believers. They plotted and even killed multiple of prophets on the land since the beginning of Mankind.

    It's there Sunnah to dislike the believers just like how a cat won't eat anything but meat and you can't make a cat eat salad or other non-meat food because it's strictly carnivore because of nature law and the same goes to the non-believers they simply follow a pattern which is to dislike anything that is believing because the shayteen have a pull on them and influence their brains so they think they are following their own gut feeling but it's shayteen inciting them but they can't tell apart because they don't believe in any of that including the shaytan himself. They are people who don't know how things work and how the world operates so having a Satan qarn would be something to far fatched for them to understand and if you even tell them they are being influenced that would also be even more far fatched idea to them.

    But all in all make no mistake regarding the non-believers they are simply following the natural law of life just like the animals do today and you won't find any change within them whatsoever and Allah even said in the Quran that they will only accept you if you disbelief like them hence they follow that pattern.

    If you see otherwise it would be something strange and equal to seeing a cow eating the corpse of a death deer on the road side etc etc something extremely unlikely out of the nature law.

    Don't be fooled by this people they exist in different state of mind and only wish for the demise of the believers and judgement day will come upon them in that state. You will not see any flaws in nature such as water flowing up when you hold your bottle of water downwards and expecting it to pour that way.


    Humans are in different state of minds just like how when someone is drunk and sober is different state of minds while the one who is high on hashish is not in the same state of mind as the one who is drunk and vice versa. Different state of minds and the same goes to the non-believers and believers.

    Example would you pet a wild Crocodile the answer is no because you know of it's nature and the same goes to the non-believers they also have a certain set of laws and be mindful of that Sunnah and never think of it as something lightly. In several verses in the Quran they are described as people who don't understand, reason or people who don't know
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

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    We, Muslims, believe that we are the believers, while Christians are non-believers. But Christians believe that they are the believers, while Muslims like us are the non-believers. That’s why history has recorded series of great wars between Muslims and Christians which both parties believed that they were the believers, while the opposite side were the non-believers.

    You may ask, why non-believers hate the believers when you see non-Muslims attack Muslims. But do you know?, Christians asked same question too when the radical Muslims destroyed their churches. Buddhists asked the same question too when Taliban destroyed Buddha statue.

    Some human tend to hate the others just because the others are different than them. And it’s because they don’t have love in their hearts.
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

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    ...it also says although "they" claim to be Jews, most of them are not.

    Unfortunately harder to Google that so let me know if I'm wrong.. it's a different paragraph or chapter.

    It appears that Allah is referring to the racist entity called "yahoods" - this is due to the fact that many of them believe that no other race of people from the seed of Adam - have equal human rights as themselves - even though they may be "alien" believers and followers of the Law given to Musa , also they are given seperate seating places even at places of worship as can be seen from the inner and outer courtyards at the holy mount (which happened to be copied out in the city london (where the seat of rothschild now is along with a private "city police force" which is out of the proper jurisdiction of the met) courts by the templar crusaders who coincidentally happened to be in the money changing business after the lands which came under Islam forbade usury and chased the parasites out to places such as Europe).

    It is clear that the literal meaning of the term "haadoo" which seems to come from the root of "guidance" "hidaayah" is not referred to in this instance, since Allah is advising everybody to be guided correctly according to His advice throughout the Quran.

    The racism of the Jews towards "goyim" has become a problem for the jews themselves since it pits them racially against the world with no peaceful solution in sight -:even more impossible than a pyramid scheme or the usury scam - also familiar territory to some - since they falsely and unjustly changed the words of the book and falsely wrote that it is lawful to exploit a non-jew via usury - Allah confirms in the final revelation that they were forbidden it and that their "hearts were hardened" (obviously - since they're racist and greedy they tend to lose any sympathy, empathy, or humanity which their hearts may have contained when they were born).

    Just a quick confirmation lol.
    Let the 12 members of the jewry choose their own fate.
    a definite guilty verdict on the racism front i'm sure.



    Allah SWT said:

    قَالَ يٰٓإِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَىَّ ۖ أَسْتَكْبَرْ تَ أَمْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ
    "[Allah] said, O Iblees, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My hands? Were you arrogant [then], or were you [already] among the haughty?"
    (QS. Saad 38: Verse 75)

    Allah SWT said:

    قَالَ أَنَا۠ خَيْرٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ خَلَقْتَنِى مِنْ نَّارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُۥ مِنْ طِينٍ
    "He said, I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
    (QS. Saad 38: Verse 76)


    Allah SWT said:

    قَالَ فَاخْرُجْ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّكَ رَجِيمٌ
    "[Allah] said, Then get out of from it, for indeed, you are expelled."
    (QS. Saad 38: Verse 77)


    Allah SWT said:

    وَإِنَّ عَلَيْكَ لَعْنَتِىٓ إِلٰى يَوْمِ الدِّينِ
    "And indeed, upon you is My curse until the Day of Recompense."
    (QS. Saad 38: Verse 78)


    Below is some reasoning from the racist satanic mutterings that appeared at Ancient Babylon.


    http://vikingalthing.org/article/quo...-expel-people/

    Also:
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

    non-believers hate the believers when you see non-Muslims attack Muslims. But do you know?, Christians asked same question too when the radical Muslims destroyed their churches. Buddhists asked the same question too when Taliban destroyed Buddha statue.
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    It appears that Allah is referring to the racist entity called "yahoods" - this is due to the fact that many of them believe that no other race of people from the seed of Adam - have equal human rights as themselves - even though they may be "alien" believers and followers of the Law given to Musa , also they are given seperate seating places even at places of worship as can be seen from the inner and outer courtyards at the holy mount (which happened to be copied out in the city london (where the seat of rothschild now is along with a private "city police force" which is out of the proper jurisdiction of the met) courts by the templar crusaders who coincidentally happened to be in the money changing business after the lands which came under Islam forbade usury and chased the parasites out to places such as Europe).

    It is clear that the literal meaning of the term "haadoo" which seems to come from the root of "guidance" "hidaayah" is not referred to in this instance, since Allah is advising everybody to be guided correctly according to His advice throughout the Quran.

    The racism of the Jews towards "goyim" has become a problem for the jews themselves since it pits them racially against the world with no peaceful solution in sight -:even more impossible than a pyramid scheme or the usury scam - also familiar territory to some - since they falsely and unjustly changed the words of the book and falsely wrote that it is lawful to exploit a non-jew via usury - Allah confirms in the final revelation that they were forbidden it and that their "hearts were hardened" (obviously - since they're racist and greedy they tend to lose any sympathy, empathy, or humanity which their hearts may have contained when they were born).

    Just a quick confirmation lol.
    Let the 12 members of the jewry choose their own fate.
    a definite guilty verdict on the racism front i'm sure.



    Allah SWT said:

    قَالَ يٰٓإِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَىَّ ۖ أَسْتَكْبَرْ تَ أَمْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ
    "[Allah] said, O Iblees, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My hands? Were you arrogant [then], or were you [already] among the haughty?"
    (QS. Saad 38: Verse 75)

    Allah SWT said:

    قَالَ أَنَا۠ خَيْرٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ خَلَقْتَنِى مِنْ نَّارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُۥ مِنْ طِينٍ
    "He said, I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
    (QS. Saad 38: Verse 76)


    Allah SWT said:

    قَالَ فَاخْرُجْ مِنْهَا فَإِنَّكَ رَجِيمٌ
    "[Allah] said, Then get out of from it, for indeed, you are expelled."
    (QS. Saad 38: Verse 77)


    Allah SWT said:

    وَإِنَّ عَلَيْكَ لَعْنَتِىٓ إِلٰى يَوْمِ الدِّينِ
    "And indeed, upon you is My curse until the Day of Recompense."
    (QS. Saad 38: Verse 78)


    Below is some reasoning from the racist satanic mutterings that appeared at Ancient Babylon.


    http://vikingalthing.org/article/quo...-expel-people/

    Also:

    right Abz2000,

    i know its a jewish concept but its all too familiar in other cultures and races.

    to assume rights over someone, through any number of means.. *

    its like giving money to someone through charity and then being constantly asked for more money by the person.. a sort of entitlement that arises.

    if you provide a service then i suppose its only fair to ask for money in most cases, i was often told i wasnt going to get anywhere running the place like a charity shop, but even then.. the concept of the "regular" customer poses its own problems.

    on the one hand, allah swt brings customers to your door and on the other, if what you provide is any non essential then things are far from black and white.

    the concept of the "goyim" is not a false concept.. its just a misuse of the way things "happen".

    i would have to ask you how any man becomes a slave of some other?

    at what point can he no longer hold a conversation on equal footing?

    or at what point can he not make decisions that are in his self interest?

    the difference is that even if some jews take advantage and misconstrue the natural order of things.. they are at least aware of them.

    our people seem to be unaware of the back or its importance.

    *
    i would argue... and hear me out here.

    that the world is made up of the seen and the unseen.

    the front and the back.

    even though we live in the front.

    what gets written in the back is just as important..


    when my customers stood before me at my own shop, they were far too clever..and very aware of what i was and what id done.

    those years were not money making years, but learning years.

    although i suppose having it the other way around nobody would complain.


    so the evil of usury at present imo is not the interest rate imo.. any person who has a means of income can reasonably tell you that shopping around will get you a very low rate.

    and the alternative of borrowing from people you know comes with its own set of problems.

    how about the differences in islamic banking? ....not too sure if its a perfect method either.

    but for those unable to use the system...those in need, unfair advantage is taken.

    what happens if you cant afford repayments?

    Those who swallow usury cannot rise up save as he ariseth whom the devil hath prostrated by (his) touch. That is because they say: Trade is just like usury; whereas Allah permitteth trading and forbiddeth usury. He unto whom an admonition from his Lord cometh, and (he) refraineth (in obedience thereto), he shall keep (the profits of) that which is past, and his affair (henceforth) is with Allah. As for him who returneth (to usury) - Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.
    Those who eat Riba (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitan (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: "Trading is only like Riba (usury)," whereas Allah has permitted trading and forbidden Riba (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Riba (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allah (to judge); but whoever returns [to Riba (usury)], such are the dwellers of the Fire - they will abide therein.


    ..is that what i just said? that trade and usury are the same?


    you know what i should have said right?

    charity is an expiation of sin.. for what you have done, for what you are yet to do, for who you are associated with, for who has knowledge of you.

    because the world has no problem in labeling you.. attributing things to you that you are not.

    and the only way for it not to stick, is sincere repentance and charity..

    or to be the customer.


    anyway, that said im taking a loan.

    3 years of my life, 3 years of counting on a job..3 years of repayments.


    lets see who wants to make what of it.

    the fear is always whats being written in the back.


    ...i have no choice, a lot of people have already quit work..

    i just remember those years infront of those customers.


    all i have is my own experience of things to talk about, so my posts often end up like this.


    ..i felt so angry for the longest time, but in the end had to admit it was my own failings being reflected.


    i hope for you allah swt's favour in your endeavours.


    the only way i learnt to keep shaitan from the door is to stop letting him in, i suppose thats why we are on islamic board.. although it may come easier to some than others.
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

    I meant unjust racism specifically in my comment and not just discrimination according to the scales of the Creator and Master of the Universe - therefore all false ways of life dissolve in the equation of justice and truth just as salt dissolves in water - especially if you keep staring at it .....


    A just standard of measure is required and we see the u.n and secularists simply making a mess whilst unjust bloodshed is being encouraged so that a few greedy and spiteful people can sell weapons and push people to lowliness and helplessness, then use the imf, world bank, and other usurious banks to keep people on their knees financially and socially whilst exacting regular tribute which only increases exponentially per second whilst the people of the planet are plunged further into ruin.

    Regarding your mention of the usury rates -firstly, fiat currency is simply an addition of toxic smoke or dirty water to genuine clean air or milk respectively, -and secondly, usury on fiat currency cannot be paid back by a society since all principal fiat illegal tender currency is generally released with the demand that the total sum be paid back with additional unreleased usury which cannot be printed at home.
    Just because people anticipate food in the mountains of smoke in the front and back of dajjal's caravan which happens to simultaneously leave ruins behind it - it doesn't mean that there is food in it -but rather it is a piece of paper falsely implying that God is one eyed, and that some other hapless dupe or unwilling victim -and not the issuer- is expected give actual gold or the fruits of their labour and sweat for. I mean why sweat all year if you can print a stack of notes, (or write huge unbacked cheques) to pay soldiery, corrupt lawmakers and judges, and then tell the people that they can accept it if they want to normally, but must accept it as legal tender if the issue hits the courts.
    Bloody hell, why buy a pint of milk and drink it an be done with it if you can drink it and then simply add a pint of water to the dregs at the bottom of the bottle and then claim that the milk has increased? A slow boil and gradual inflation appears to pacify the people who live in fear based dog eat dog systems -who would otherwise revolt at the shock.

    If usury is abolished and genuine and honest trade and sadaqah is encouraged, trust is re-established and loans are forthcoming from people who would have otherwise had their money deposited at the local usurer's vault. It is only ignorance, heedlessness, and a feeling of mass helplessness which appears to keep the usury system running.
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    You mean Qabil was a kafir....?
    ha! Well spotted misrepresentation and great question to ask in light of this thread!
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    ha! Well spotted misrepresentation and great question to ask in light of this thread!
    Yes. Qabil was a Kafir and he died kafir because he never made tawbah. His a non-believer and the masons to this day claim that he was the first freemason which is not true offcourse but he was certainly the first human kafir in history
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

    Quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan View Post
    Yes. Qabil was a Kafir and he died kafir because he never made tawbah. His a non-believer and the masons to this day claim that he was the first freemason which is not true offcourse but he was certainly the first kafir mankind history
    And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah ], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], "I will surely kill you." Said [the former], "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him].
    If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds.
    Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers.
    And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers.
    Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, "O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?" And he became of the regretful.
    its not the story but its the story.
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    Re: Why the non-believers have hated the believers since the beginning of mankind

    Quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan View Post
    Yes. Qabil was a Kafir and he died kafir because he never made tawbah. His a non-believer and the masons to this day claim that he was the first freemason which is not true offcourse but he was certainly the first human kafir in history
    He was the first murderer on this planet so he is equally responsible for every murder likewise (as you claim that he was the first kafir among all human beings) so he should be responsible for kufr of every kafir as well...?

    How do you know that he was a kafir..... ?
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