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WOW, you just lost all credibility when you quoted Harun Yahya lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbdurRahman.
I feel slightly silly for humoring you with a response, lol, I mean, when you take Harun Yahya's clique as your goto source for science and/or Islam, you look mighty foolish, and in my experience people like you lack the basic understanding for either science or islam.
Have a nice day.
Harun yaha never wrote these books. See my above reply to @UmitQuote:
Originally Posted by Scimitar
The "Harun yahya" machine plagiarized from Christian creationists who didn't really know much about science in the first place. If this is where you are placing your appeal to authority, then you have absolutely lost the plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbdurRahman.
Have a nice day.
Harun Yahyha and his cult should not be trusted on science or Islam. Secondly evolutionary biology is one of the strongest scientific paradigms we have today, of course its bound to change as more ideas and evidence is gathered but to try to dismiss it by creationist conspiracy theorist isn't a good idea.
European scientist converts to Islam after seeing scientific miracle in Quran!:
https://youtu.be/Tzcdh8sDoh8
صورتي على الفيس حلال ام حرام؟ الشيخ Haitham al-Haddad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYE_Owevp9M&t=49s
فتاة تسأل اومن ان الله واحد و ان عيسى ليس ابن الله | يوشع ايفانز مترجم
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr6Wzad7X8o&t=27s
أبي لا يسمح لي بارتداء الحجاب ماذا أفعل ؟ hijab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVX8Y8ArDqA&t=53s
qibla change in islam
There are more than 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and each time they pray, they turn their faces in one direction, towards Mecca. The Islamic term for this direction is qibla. When a Muslim prepares to pray, no matter where he is, he turns towards the qibla, the direction of the Kaba. The Kaba is a small cube shaped building in the courtyard of the mosque known as Masjid Al Haram, in the city of Mecca, in the country of Saudi Arabia.
“For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, God will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, God is Able to do all things. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Mecca), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.” (Quran 2:148-149)
Muslims do not worship the Kaba, or its contents, it is simply a focal point. Muslims worship One God, the Most Merciful, and the Most Wise. God decreed that when Muslims pray they all face one direction. It is a sign of unity that encapsulates the unity embedded in the religion of Islam.
The Arabic word for prayer is salah and it demotes a connection between the believer and God; when all believers face the same direction it adds an extra dimension to the connection. The prayer connects the believers to God and the qibla connects the believers to one another. It has been said that if one could observe all the Muslims at prayer we would be able to see lines of worshippers bowing and prostrating like the petals of a flower opening and closing in unison.
The qibla was not always oriented towards Mecca. The first Muslims prayed towards the al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. Around sixteen months after Prophet Muhammad and his followers migrated from Mecca to the city of Medina, the qibla was changed to the Kaba. According to accounts by Prophet Muhammad's companions, the change happened very suddenly. During the noon prayer, Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, received a revelation from God instructing him to, "Turn your face towards the Masjid al Haram".
“Thus, we have made you real believers in Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad and his legal ways, a just nation, witnesses over mankind and the Messenger a witness over you. And We made the Qibla (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (i.e. disobey the Messenger). Indeed, it was great (heavy) except for those whom God guided. And God would never make your prayers to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, God is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards humankind.”
“Verily! We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qibla (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid- al-Haram (at Mecca). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction...” (Quran 2:143-144)
Changing the direction of prayer establishes Mecca as the fixed central point for worship. It establishes a common sense or purpose.
Throughout the centuries, mathematicians and astronomers have established correct ways to determine the qibla (direction) from any point on the earth’s surface. There are two precise moments each year when the sun is directly above the Kaba, thus the direction of shadows in any sunlit place will point away from the qibla. There are also two moments per year when the sun is directly over the exact opposite position of the Kaba, thus pointing towards the qibla.
It is important the Muslims make every effort to face the right direction when praying; however, slight deviations do not invalidate a person’s prayer. Prophet Muhammad said, “What is between the east and the west is qibla”.[1] Nowadays it is easy to locate the qibla. It is a simple matter to look at a map and draw a line between your location and the city of Mecca. Compasses and computer programs that locate the qibla are readily available and most mosques throughout the world have a niche in the wall to indicate the qibla.
Islam is a religion of unity. Muslims are united by their belief in One God. They are one brotherhood united in the language and ritual of prayer and united by the direction of their worship. The qibla is not only about degrees of latitude or longitude it is about unity. It is about humankind united in the worship of the One God, Creator, and Sustainer of the universe
منصور و اسئلة فتاة مسيحية عن المساواة فى الاسلام ركن المتحدثين مترجم
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw0HptNgAU8
Change Of Qibla From Jerusalem To Kaaba By Nouman Ali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfeSLuLMeAo
There was a cruel oppressive tribal leader named Abu Jahl who lived during the time of Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him. God revealed a verse of the Quran to warn him:
“No Indeed! If he does not stop, We will seize him by the forehead, his lying, sinful forehead.” (Quran 96:15-16)
God does not call this person a liar, but calls his forehead (the front part of the brain) ‘lying’ and ‘sinful’, and warns him to stop.
This verse is significant for two reasons. The first is that the front part of our brain is responsible for voluntary movement
This is known as the frontal lobe. A book titled ‘Essentials of Anatomy and Physiology’ which includes the results of research on the functions of this area states: The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. The part of the brain that is responsible for movement is said to be seized if the man does not stop.
Secondly, numerous studies have shown that this same region (frontal lobe) is responsible for the lying function of the brain. One such study at the University of Pennsylvania in which volunteers were asked questions during a computerized interrogation, it was found that when the volunteers were lying there was significantly increased activity in the prefrontal and premotor cortices (frontal lobe region)
The front part of the brain is responsible for movement and lying. The Quran links movement and lying to this area. These functions of the frontal lobe were discovered with medical imaging equipment which was developed in the 20th century.
ركن المتحدثين الداعية محمد حجاب و زائرين فى الهايد
بارك مترجم
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEcLgX8EL4E&t=79s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK9sQHJFAtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJX5XKhd8xo
The same logic would not hold water when compared with Quranic teachings.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbdurRahman.
E.g - the following argument falls apart and dissolves upon pondering:
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Anyone who believes God created Jesus then there isn't even a reason to try set out to prove that his life came about by step by step micro or macro evolution, as God could have created all creatures in their full forms (since the parable of jesus is that of adam - he must have been a full grown man when he arrived from crypton or elsewhere), It's only those who wish to deny God that attempt to designate life to a process of cause and effect so people can think life or universe doesn't need God (though our practice of bathing, brushing our teeth, and cleaning food preparation surfaces are simply religius rituals that requires no explanation or understanding, and God could keep them clean if he wanted to - the cause and effect explanation for tooth rot and acquired hereditary viral attack which changes the genetic makeup of an individual are simply ways to explain the curses away (as if they are not rules set beforehand and intertwined with Qadr).
This is another reason why people should naturally find the cell division story, the virgin birth story and genetic inheritance from two different parents theories suspect.
Did the person's teeth rot because they didn't brush them? Or did God do it to them as a punishment for detaching from fitrah?
Maybe it's a bit of both - since God set the rules of fitrah - but whether it was intended as a punishment for not following the rules, or a simple case of wrong life choices - is something to ponder over.
Both are fails when they clash - The fatalists who load it all on God in a ritualistic fashion without attempting to understand, (thereby rejecting the opening verses which include: "allama bi al qalam - allama al insaana maa lam ya'lam") - and the secularists who attempt to cover the truth by burying their heads in the sand (thereby falling into falsehood), and then try to find explanations which lamely discount the unchanging laws of God .... until they descend into chaos and confusion as the worst crooks from amongst them take political power and then cheat them as they cheat themselves.
It seems to be in our nature to focus on how we were wrong over the fact that we're now smarter (as if we can't be works in progress), and we often attach our egos to what we believe. A view is just how you see something. It doesn't have to define you, and trying to detach from it to gain understanding can be a very good thing.
Kal Turnbull
The Ocean
The Quran uses imagery to covey its deep meanings, here it describes the state of the unbelievers as:
“Darkness out in a deep ocean which is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. Those God gives no light to, they have no light.” (Quran 24:40)
It is commonly thought that waves only occur on the surface of the ocean. However oceanographers have discovered that there are internal waves that take place below the surface of the ocean. These waves are invisible to the human eye, and can only be detected by specialist equipment[8]. The Quran mentions darkness in a deep ocean above which are waves, above which are waves, then clouds above that.
This description is not only remarkable because it describes the internal waves in the ocean, but also because it describes darkness deep in the ocean. A human being can dive no more than 70 metres without breathing equipment. Light is present at that depth, but if we go down 1000 metres it is completely dark[9]. 1400 years ago there were no submarines or specialist equipment to discover internal waves or the darkness deep inside the oceans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtqHtZgoEwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTew5qgmkvY
شاب يسال ذاكر نايك لماذا نقلد النبي محمد | مترجم
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lerRxBEyfR0
منصور و فتاة مسيحية l ركن المتحدثين l هايد بارك
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5FEmGRxHwA
You do not have to be an oceanist to know that an ocean, sea, river lake or any other water mass has waves below the surface. The waves on the surface are just caused because of the wind. the water mass itself however is affected by high pressure places, low pressure places, so currents from high to low, certain circulation currents, gravitation of the moon pulling on the watermass, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by yasoooo
It is just like the air mass we live in. the wind we cannot see, but surely detect and feel are the waves in air.
Besides, you do not need special equipment to detect the currents and waves below the surface. any object in floating around below the surface can do that job. I often see a leaf or plant in the water that travels in a different direction than the waves on the surface do.
But besides that, I get your general message and thank you for your post.
thanks for this useful informationQuote:
Originally Posted by yasoooo
@Ümit
True, and i genuinely very much appreciate the fact that you give that critical point of view on behalf of other Muslims which speaks to readers who may roll their eyes and say "what.....ever" ,
But..... it is useful to take into account that the Prophet :saws: lived in the Arabian Peninsula and his initial job was local shepherding, and his second significant job was travelling north in caravans for trade in cattle - and these places were quite dry, so to imagine him musing about all that stuff accurately without making mistakes is an accumulating pointer -even if not evidence- to his not having been speaking of himself.
These people used to have to travel very far out just to learn to swim in large pools of water for military training during the time of 'Umar ibn al khattaab :ra: - otherwse it was mainly wells, pitchers, and an occasional much celebrated fountain.
Also - the fact that it is mentioned in a matter of fact manner in parable to the situation of people lost in layers of hawaa for judgement is an evidence that it wasn't being promoted as a scientific wow in and of itself - rather, the subtle nature of the parable itself is the astounding part which forces a person to stop and think of the psychology of those whose judgements have no firm grounding and whose minds are in a state of self and secular media induced turbulence.
I honestly can't think of a more fitting parable in context of the psychology.
No, I am sorry...I totally get that. And I do not criticize the given general message. I guess my post was just a semi automatic post to point a few things out without thinking too much about it. But thanks for your concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abz2000
I don't think that was a good comparison as the talk is about the first creatures and not those given birth by othersQuote:
Originally Posted by Abz2000
There is fossil evidence that the first parent creatures were created fully by Allah; look up about the 'Cambrian explosion'. That's the earliest fossils found and they are all of fully formed sophisticated creatures
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahmed.
The same was assumed regarding sperm by many until the advent of the microscope i.e that they were miniature fully formed human beings:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...erm-180963578/
https://io9.gizmodo.com/when-scienti...1535749294/amp
but we can see now that the birth process is similar for most species including fish, reptiles, birds -all of which which lay eggs, and other mammals which carry in the womb, and clearly visible differences are only apparent at a stage which appears to be called "khalq an aakhar" (another creation) in the Quran.
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The whole developmental process appears to be a record of acceptances of past positives (relative to branching species) (discounting acceptances of negatives due to genetic flaws), and rejection of past negatives (again relative to branching species) (discounting rejections of positives due to genetic flaws), all the way from "maa-in-maheen" (lowly despicable fluid) to individual offspring bearing resemblances of both parents depending much on mental and physical health, experiences, and age at the time of conception and during pregnancy.
https://babybelliesandbeyond.com/201...-unbelievable/
The divine pronunciation "Innee a'lamu maa laa ta'lamoon" could be indicating that the angels only saw Adam and his qualities as he would be on earth, and wondered and questioned - though Allah :swt: who knew the future of this work in progress -which had been given the ability to increase in intelligence through the generations based on learning from mistakes and compounding knowledge -knew better.
I believe that the earliest traces of living species would be something more akin to bacteria (lowly despicable fluid - arabic: "maa in maheen") which practice cell division and replication - not very much differently to the way human fetal cells multiply.
And Allah :swt: knows best.
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More compelling evidence
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-change-stance
Sun’s Orbit
In 1512 the astronomer Nicholas Copernicus put forward his theory that the Sun is motionless at the centre of the solar system, and that the planets revolve around it. The belief that the Sun is stationary was widespread amongst astronomers until the 20th century. It is now a well-established scientific fact that the Sun is not stationary, but is moving in an orbit around the centre of our Milky Way galaxy
The Quran mentions the orbit of the Sun:
“It is He who created night and day, the Sun and the Moon, each floating in its orbit.” (Quran 21:33)
The Quran would have been wrong according to astronomers just a couple of decades ago. But we now know that the Quranic account of the Sun’s motion is consistent with modern Astronomy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SqO-SxtBUY
ما هى معجزات محمد ..؟ - احمد ديدات
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMeWM5TTJFM
لن تصدق القران يؤمن بالانجيل - احمد ديدات
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrSWnv-LDYA
يهودية ملحدة تدافع عن القرآن (مترجم).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu-8S-nbl0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvQDyIGW8UU
I totally agree with you. but I want to add something to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by yasoooo
motion is relative. if an object is in motion, we mean this object moves relative to a reference point.
If this object was in void, with nothing near...like in space...you could never tell whether this object is in motion or not...because you do not have a reference point.
You can choose the reference point wherever you like.
If you have only object A and object B in void, and you had the ability to pin object A down to the void itself....then you could see whether object B was moving or not.
If you would pin object b down to the void, then you would see wheter object A was moving or not.
So why am I telling this?
If you had the ability to pin down the sun onto its location in space...you would see not only the earth moon and planets orbit around it...you would see the whole milkyway (together with all other milkyways) and the rest of the universe revolve around it.
it is really a matter of choosing your reference point. of course the model can get very complicated if you choose your point at earth or moon and then zoom out to see the milkyway...but that is a different story.
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I totally agree with you. but I want to add something to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by yasoooo
motion is relative. if an object is in motion, we mean this object moves relative to a reference point.
If this object was in void, with nothing near...like in space...you could never tell whether this object is in motion or not...because you do not have a reference point.
You can choose the reference point wherever you like.
If you have only object A and object B in void, and you had the ability to pin object A down to the void itself....then you could see whether object B was moving or not.
If you would pin object b down to the void, then you would see wheter object A was moving or not.
So why am I telling this?
If you had the ability to pin down the sun onto its location in space...you would see not only the earth moon and planets orbit around it...you would see the whole milkyway (together with all other milkyways) and the rest of the universe revolve around it.
it is really a matter of choosing your reference point. of course the model can get very complicated if you choose your point at earth or moon and then zoom out to see the milkyway...but that is a different story.
Bruv i dont know whether you are advocating the evolution of man from different species', if so, this is dangerous for iman; look at excerpt from Shaykh Nuh Keller; he clearly says that there is no other lexical meaning to the Quranic word 'bashar' other than 'man' and this is why it can only mean Allah created man from clay (And nothing in between). And he goes on to say that believing that it was anything else (any other species before man) from clay will be kufr:Quote:
Originally Posted by Abz2000
. I say "the first human," because the Arabic term bashar used in the verse "Truly, I will create a man from clay" means precisely a human being and has no other lexical significance.
... As for claim that man has evolved from a non-human species, this is unbelief (kufr) no matter if we ascribe the process to Allah or to "nature," because it negates the truth of Adam's special creation that Allah has revealed in the Qur'an.
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/evolve.htm
The opinion of the takfiri shaikh you mention is not a factor in my calculations if his opinion goes against the clear signs which Allah :swt: has revealed to us. It is what Allah :swt: guides us to and enjoins upon us that is to be considered with humility in our choices if we are to be successful in this world and in the aakhirah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahmed.
....Amma ba'd....
How Adam was in paradise before he was caused to come to earth - is not necessarily the same as he was when he was made to appear on earth - Just as it is true that the offspring of Adam were taken from his back and made to testify to the Mastery of Allah :swt: - but were caused to come into being on earth over millenia or more - through a biological process very similar to that of other creatures -especially mammals. All indications - including Quranic - point to a process of appearance on earth - and i believe that Adam too came to earth through a biological process - (unlike the way mr. Bean is portrayed in the intro) and was given guidance when it was his time as the first species described as insaan - just as Musa was chosen before his birth and brought up under the sight of Allah :swt: and guided to his role - after the inspiration to his mother, floating through the nile, growing up in the house of pharaoh, killing a man, living in Madian.....
Ta Ha 20:39
أَنِ ٱقْذِفِيهِ فِى ٱلتَّابُوتِ فَٱقْذِفِيهِ فِى ٱلْيَمِّ فَلْيُلْقِهِ ٱلْيَمُّ بِٱلسَّاحِلِ يَأْخُذْهُ عَدُوٌّ لِّى وَعَدُوٌّ لَّهُۥۚ وَأَلْقَيْتُ عَلَيْكَ مَحَبَّةً مِّنِّى وَلِتُصْنَعَ عَلَىٰ عَيْنِىٓ
"'Throw (the child) into the chest, and throw (the chest) into the river: the river will cast him up on the bank, and he will be taken up by one who is an enemy to Me and an enemy to him': But I cast (the garment of) love over thee from Me: and (this) in order that thou mayest be reared under Mine eye.
Ta Ha 20:40
إِذْ تَمْشِىٓ أُخْتُكَ فَتَقُولُ هَلْ أَدُلُّكُمْ عَلَىٰ مَن يَكْفُلُهُۥۖ فَرَجَعْنَٰكَ إِلَىٰٓ أُمِّكَ كَىْ تَقَرَّ عَيْنُهَا وَلَا تَحْزَنَۚ وَقَتَلْتَ نَفْسًا فَنَجَّيْنَٰكَ مِنَ ٱلْغَمِّ وَفَتَنَّٰكَ فُتُونًاۚ فَلَبِثْتَ سِنِينَ فِىٓ أَهْلِ مَدْيَنَ ثُمَّ جِئْتَ عَلَىٰ قَدَرٍ يَٰمُوسَىٰ
"Behold! thy sister goeth forth and saith, 'shall I show you one who will nurse and rear the (child)?' So We brought thee back to thy mother, that her eye might be cooled and she should not grieve. Then thou didst slay a man, but We saved thee from trouble, and We tried thee in various ways. Then didst thou tarry a number of years with the people of Midian. Then didst thou come hither as ordained, O Moses!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOWIdPHXts
Aal-e-Imran 3:59
إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَىٰ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ ءَادَمَۖ خَلَقَهُۥ مِن تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُۥ كُن فَيَكُونُ
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
Maryam 19:16
وَٱذْكُرْ فِى ٱلْكِتَٰبِ مَرْيَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتْ مِنْ أَهْلِهَا مَكَانًا شَرْقِيًّا
Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East
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Maryam 19:21
قَالَ كَذَٰلِكِ قَالَ رَبُّكِ هُوَ عَلَىَّ هَيِّنٌۖ وَلِنَجْعَلَهُۥٓ ءَايَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَرَحْمَةً مِّنَّاۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرًا مَّقْضِيًّا
He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter (so) decreed."
....Maryam 19:22
فَحَمَلَتْهُ فَٱنتَبَذَتْ بِهِۦ مَكَانًا قَصِيًّا
So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
Maryam 19:23
فَأَجَآءَهَا ٱلْمَخَاضُ إِلَىٰ جِذْعِ ٱلنَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يَٰلَيْتَنِى مِتُّ قَبْلَ هَٰذَا وَكُنتُ نَسْيًا مَّنسِيًّا
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
Maryam 19:24
فَنَادَىٰهَا مِن تَحْتِهَآ أَلَّا تَحْزَنِى قَدْ جَعَلَ رَبُّكِ تَحْتَكِ سَرِيًّا
But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
Maryam 19:25
وَهُزِّىٓ إِلَيْكِ بِجِذْعِ ٱلنَّخْلَةِ تُسَٰقِطْ عَلَيْكِ رُطَبًا جَنِيًّا
"And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
Maryam 19:26
فَكُلِى وَٱشْرَبِى وَقَرِّى عَيْنًاۖ فَإِمَّا تَرَيِنَّ مِنَ ٱلْبَشَرِ أَحَدًا فَقُولِىٓ إِنِّى نَذَرْتُ لِلرَّحْمَٰنِ صَوْمًا فَلَنْ أُكَلِّمَ ٱلْيَوْمَ إِنسِيًّا
"So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"
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Al-Isra' 17:94
وَمَا مَنَعَ ٱلنَّاسَ أَن يُؤْمِنُوٓا۟ إِذْ جَآءَهُمُ ٱلْهُدَىٰٓ إِلَّآ أَن قَالُوٓا۟ أَبَعَثَ ٱللَّهُ بَشَرًا رَّسُولًا
What kept people back from belief when Guidance came to them, was nothing but this: they said, "Has Allah sent a man as a Messenger?"