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    The following are some comments of scientists[1] on the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran.

    1) Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:

    “The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read, didn’t know [how] to write. In fact, he was an illiterate. And we’re talking about twelve [actually about fourteen] hundred years ago. You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements and statements and that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance. There are too many accuracies and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”


    Professor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, in some of his books. He has also presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad at several conferences.

    2) Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Professor Simpson studied the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad:

    “In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...”[2]

    “If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones....”[3]

    He studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. Then, during one conference, he gave the following opinion:

    “So that the two hadeeths (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad) that have been noted provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before forty days. Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . . . . It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, that there exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid, which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God.”

    3) Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper:

    “Summary: The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”

    Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.


    4) Dr. William W. Hay is a well-known marine scientist. He is Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA. He was formerly the Dean of the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University of Miami, Miami, Florida, USA. After a discussion with Professor Hay about the Quran’s mention of recently discovered facts on seas, he said:

    “I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages.” And when he was asked about the source of the Quran, he replied: “Well, I would think it must be the divine being.”


    5) Dr. Gerald C. Goeringer is Course Director and Associate Professor of Medical Embryology at the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Goeringer stated the following in the presentation of his research paper:

    “In a relatively few aayahs (Quranic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development, such as classification, terminology, and description, existed previously. In most, if not all, instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature.”


    6) Dr. Yoshihide Kozai is Professor Emeritus at Tokyo University, Hongo, Tokyo, Japan, and was the Director of the National Astronomical Observatory, Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan. He said:

    “I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in [the] Quran, and for us the modern astronomers have been studying very small pieces of the universe. We’ve concentrated our efforts for understanding of [a] very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts [of] the sky without thinking [about the] whole universe. So, by reading [the] Quran and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.”


    7) Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand. Previously, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the same university. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Tejasen stood up and said:

    “During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran . . . . From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator.

    This creator must be God. Therefore, I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger (Prophet) of Allah (God). Lastly, I must congratulate for the excellent and highly successful arrangement for this conference . . . . I have gained not only from the scientific point of view and religious point of view but also the great chance of meeting many well-known scientists and making many new friends among the participants. The most precious thing of all that I have gained by coming to this place is La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, and to have become a Muslim.”



    After all these examples we have seen about the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran and all these scientists’ comments on this, let us ask ourselves these questions:

    • Could it be a coincidence that all this recently discovered scientific information from different fields was mentioned in the Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago?

    • Could this Quran have been authored by Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, or by any other human being?

    The only possible answer is that this Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him.
    القرآن الكريم والعلم الحديث كاملة The Quran and Modern Science full Zakir naik youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFO4G7zXlUI

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    Pain Receptors

    For a long time it was thought that the sense of feeling and pain was dependent on the brain. However it has been discovered that there are pain receptors present in the skin[. Without these pain receptors, a person would not be able to feel pain.

    Consider the following verse on pain:

    “We shall send those who reject Our revelations to the (Hell) Fire. When their skins have been burned away, We shall replace them with new ones so that they may continue to feel the pain: God is Almighty, All-Wise.” (Quran 4:56)

    God tells the people who reject his message that when they are in Hell and their skins are burnt off (so they can’t feel any pain), he will give them new skins so that they continue to feel the pain.

    The Quran makes it clear that pain is dependent upon on the skin. The discovery of pain receptors in the skin is a fairly recent discovery for Biology.
    Hellfire-Punishment ,Human skin, Modern Science in Quran r Zakir Naik explains

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    Islam and Modern Science - Human Aspect - Skin & Sensation - Part 2 of 5

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    Re: Scientists and ......!

    Quote Originally Posted by yasoooo View Post
    The following are some comments of scientists[1] on the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran.
    There are no "scientific miracles" science and miracles are 2 different things. This entire method is problematic - you need to study the philosophy of science to see what science actually is.

    Rather the Quran deals with existential meaning, life after death and a righteous way of living.
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    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
    Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim

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    Re: Scientists and ......!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    There are no "scientific miracles" science and miracles are 2 different things. This entire method is problematic - you need to study the philosophy of science to see what science actually is.

    Rather the Quran deals with existential meaning, life after death and a righteous way of living.
    Agreed, but I will say that parts of the Quran show an intelligent understanding of the science that was available to people at the time.
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    Re: Scientists and ......!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post

    ....Rather the Quran deals with existential meaning, life after death and a righteous way of living....
    .... and it throws in some facts for us to ponder ...

    ... and that many have only been recently discovered should really ‘enlighten’ us to the weight of the message rather than be labelled as a ‘miracles’, if that is what you meant (?)


    Scientists and ......!

    As long as my heart does beat, I shall live, not lie
    For when my heart does stop its beat, with truth, I die.

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    İ think what is meant with a scientific miracle is a particular event happening although the chance of happening was scientifically 0.

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    Ever since the dawn of mankind, we have sought to understand nature and our place in it. In this quest for the purpose of life many people have turned to religion. Most religions are based on books claimed by their followers to be divinely inspired, without any proof. Islam is different because it is based upon reason and proof.

    There are clear signs that the book of Islam, the Quran, is the word of God and we have many reasons to support this claim:

    · There are scientific and historical facts found in the Quran which were unknown to the people at the time, and have only been discovered recently by contemporary science.

    · The Quran is in a unique style of language that cannot be replicated, this is known as the ‘Inimitability of the Quran.’

    · There are prophecies made in the Quran and by the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, which have come to be pass.

    the scientific facts that are found in the Quran, centuries before they were ‘discovered’ in contemporary science. It is important to note that the Quran is not a book of science but a book of ‘signs’. These signs are there for people to recognise God’s existence and affirm His revelation. As we know, science sometimes takes a ‘U-turn’ where what once scientifically correct is false a few years later. In this article only established scientific facts are considered, not just theories or hypothesis.
    Scientific Facts in the Quran

    The Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century.

    Science at the time was primitive, there were no telescopes, microscopes or anything even close to the technology we have today. People believed that the sun orbited the earth and that the sky was held up by big pillars at the corners of a flat earth. Within this backdrop the Quran was revealed, and it contains many scientific facts on topics ranging from astronomy to biology, geology to sociology.

    Some people may claim that the Quran was changed as new scientific facts were discovered but this cannot be the case because it is a historically documented fact that the Quran is preserved in its original language[1].

    The Quran was written down and memorised by people during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad. One of the copies of the Quran which was written a few years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad is preserved in a museum in Uzbekistan. This copy is over 1400 years old and is exactly the same as the Arabic Quran that we have today[2].
    Dr. Maurice Bucaille's Book: " The Bible The Qur'an and Science "

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crkq8HVvdm8

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    I love a girl خالد ياسين مترجم

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    عودة المسيح عيسى Yusha Evans

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    صورتي على الفيس حلال ام حرام ؟ الشيخ Haitham al-Haddad

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    فتاة تسأل اومن ان الله واحد و ان عيسى ليس ابن الله | يوشع ايفانز مترجم

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    You are courteous

    - Hell
    In the teachings of the Islamic religion
    1 - includes the punishment the infidels and the polytheists, Jews, Christians and Hindus 00,000
    Yet as a result of Removed from the oneness of God and its involvement


    allah says in the Holy Qur'an
    in the Holy Qur'an the name of God the Merciful ((72) They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
    (73) They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
    (74) So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
    (75) . The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
    (76) Say, "Do you worship besides Allah that which holds for you no [power of] harm or benefit while it is Allah who is the Hearing, the Knowing?

    (48) Indeed, All h does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with All h has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.

    (31) Inclining [only] to Allah , not associating [anything] with Him. And he who associates with Allah - it is as though he had fallen from the sky and was snatched by the birds or the wind carried him down into a remote place.

    6. And for those who disbelieve in their Lord (Allah) is the torment of Hell, and worst indeed is that destination.
    7. When they are cast therein, they will hear the (terrible) drawing in of its breath as it blazes forth.
    8. It almost bursts up with fury. Every time a group is cast therein, its keeper will ask: "Did no warner come to you?"
    9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: 'Allah never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.'"
    10. And they will say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!"
    11. Then they will confess their sin. So, away with the dwellers of the blazing Fire.
    12. Verily! Those who fear their Lord unseen (i.e. they do not see Him, nor His Punishment in the Hereafter, etc.), theirs will be forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise).




    2 - punishment includes Muslim hypocrites
    This means that it is not a real Muslim
    But pretending to do so
    and fought Islam in secret
    And the punishment of a Muslim hypocrite
    More than the infidel
    God says in the Holy Qur'an
    (142) Indeed, the hypocrites [think to] deceive All h, but He is deceiving them. And when they stand for prayer, they stand lazily, showing [themselves to] the people and not remembering All h except a little,
    (143) Wavering between them, [belonging] neither to the believers nor to the disbelievers. And whoever All h leaves astray – never will you find for him a way.
    (145) Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire – and never will you find for them a helper –

    Muslim who commits mistakes
    Alternating also in the grave
    But
    Not like the infidel and an atheist, God

    So
    The Muslim must adhere to the teachings of Islam
    And its correct application

    Sayyidina Anas (RA) reported that Allahs Messenger (peace be upon him) often said:

    "O Turner of hearts, keep my heart steadfast on Your religion.
    So, Anas (RA) asked,
    We have believed in you and what you have brought.
    Are you apprehensive about us? He said,
    Yes hearts are, surely, between two of the fingers of Allah.
    He may turn them as He will.



    Tirmidhi 35- BOOK ON DECREE AND PREDESTINATION (2147



    3 - punishment for a sinner Muslim who commits sins such as murder - adultery – Gambling -usury ----
    «Sahih Al-Bukhari Narrated by Abu Huraira

    The Prophet said, "Avoid the seven Great Destructive Sins." The people enquire, "O Allah`s Messenger (saws)! What are they? " He (saws) said:

    "To join others in worship along with Allah,
    to practice sorcery,
    to kill the life which Allah has for bidden except for a just cause, (according to Islamic law),
    to eat up riba (usury),
    to eat up an orphan`s wealth,
    to give back to the enemy and fleeing from the battlefield at the time of fighting,
    and to accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching chastity and are good believers»




    4 - a Muslim who has good works and acts of bad in this world
    God says in the Holy Qur'an
    (102) And [there are] others who have acknowledged their sins. They had mixed a righteous deed with another that was bad. Perhaps Allah will turn to them in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.



    5-
    The solution here to all

    Sincere repentance of the adulterer and the determination not to go back again and will accept the repentance of God
    And speed to good deeds
    You can repent to allah
    And thus will not be subjected to punishment


    allah says in the Holy Qur'an
    (135) And those who, when they commit an immorality or wrong themselves [by transgression], remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins – and who can forgive sins except Allah? – and [who] do not persist in what they have done while they know.
    (136) Those – their reward is forgiveness from their Lord and gardens beneath which rivers flow [in Paradise], wherein they will abide eternally; and excellent is the reward of the [righteous] workers.
    (68) And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty
    (69) Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated
    (70) Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful
    (71) And he who repents and does righteousness does indeed turn to Allah with [accepted] repentance
    (72) And [they are] those who do not testify to falsehood, and when they pass near ill speech, they pass by with dignity
    (73) And those who, when reminded of the verses of their Lord, do not fall upon them deaf and blind
    (74)
    (75) Those will be awarded the Chamber for what they patiently endured, and they will be received therein with greetings and [words of] peace
    (76) Abiding eternally therein. Good is the settlement and residence

    (104) Do they not know that it is Allah who accepts repentance from His servants and receives charities and that it is Allah who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful?

    ركن المتحدثين الداعية محمد حجاب و زائرين فى الهايد بارك مترجم
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    الأخ عمران و عباس فى حوار مع مسيحيين ركن المتحدثين مترجم
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SwXdiIkDwI&t=10s

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    Re: Scientists and ......!

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post


    This brother is completely wrong. He is over Thinking too much.

    Intelligent design is infact the clear evidences Allah has kept in creation to recognise that He the Creator created them and science is just a deep observation of this I.D.

    It's best for Muslims to keep it simple and use whatever we can to give evidential dawah and not try to become einstiens with our own super intellectual theories and disregard good 'tools' such as I.D. and scientific miracles to back up our dawah. However this latter one (scientific miracles) needs to be based on factual science rather then ever changing theories...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post

    It's best for Muslims to keep it simple
    Simple minds cannot do science! I suggest you exercise yours.

    Here is your workout:

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    Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah, and be not cast by your own hands to ruin; and do good. Lo! Allah loveth the beneficent{quran 2:195
    According to the latest research from WHO (the World Health Organization), there are more than a million people who die each year because of smoking.
    - 90% of people who die of lung disease died because of smoking,
    - 70% of people who die of bronchitis die because of smoking,
    - 25% of people who die of cardiovascular disease died because of smoking,
    It's a slow poison.

    As you know, cigarettes contain nicotine and tar.
    According to the latest fatwas given by almost 400 scientists, smoking is forbidden because the Qur'an says:
    "and be not cast by your own hands to ruin."
    It might seem beautiful to see some smoke coming out of the mouth and nose, but what does this smoke hide?
    Not only is smoking harmful to you but it is also dangerous for those around you.

    Research shows us today that women smokers are more likely to be affected by lung cancer because passive smoking is more harmful, so this smoke is even more dangerous for people around who are in the process of 'inhale. To harm one's health is a sin and to harm others is another sin.
    It should also be known that smoking has segundary effects:
    - blackening of the lips, teeth, fingers,
    - damage to the gums, throat,
    - cause of peptic ulcer and constipation,


    - causes the loss of libido (set of sexual impulses), vigor (energy), appetite, memory, ...
    And unfortunately with all these disadvantages, we continue to advertise.
    The main media are ads, posters and spots shown in cinemas.

    In movies there is still a connection with smoking, so another way of encouraging people to smoke.
    Smoking is an obsession, it is not easy to quit, and it is very difficult to change these habits, but many people have managed to do so and so it is not impossible. You have to have the will and seek advice from the experts (or doctors), be sincere to Allah, do prayers and inchAllah with the help of Allah you will be able to do it.
    This video shows the autopsy of the lungs of a deceased smoker:
    فيديو تشريح رئة مدخن flv - YouTube


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    Hmmm it seems there is an ulterior motive for him to want us to disregard intelligent design.

    He wants us to accept the evolution theory:

    https://youtu.be/riqCx84rhfY

    I'm wondering wether IERA have been paid by UK government to do this

    evolution theory is completely false and unscientific so why should any Muslim want us to accept it :

    https://www.evolutiondeceit.com/
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    Darwinism is just a modern Gnostic-Pagan, Evolution is practically just a form of Freemason Kabbalah, Luciferianism - One primal essence emanates the universe which filters down into the material, over billions of years gradually becoming aware of itself until it itself becomes a god. The ideology is Evolution is basically the exact same thing. All of these words, even though that have their own contexts, they're in essence the same thing: Self-apotheosis.
    Evolution posits that we were once a lesser species and now we've progressed, the end goal of Evolution (although, very subtly masked in Materialism, hence why atheists LOVE Evolution) is exactly that: Man turned God, as stated in Genesis 3:5 "Ye Shall Be As Gods".

    Modern Science is filled to the brim with Gnosticism, Freemasonry, Satanism, Luciferianism yet people just pass it off as just coincidental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbdurRahman. View Post
    Hmmm it seems there is an ulterior motive for him to want us to disregard intelligent design.

    He wants us to accept the evolution theory:

    https://youtu.be/riqCx84rhfY

    I'm wondering wether IERA have been paid by UK government to do this

    evolution theory is completely false and unscientific so why should any Muslim want us to accept it :

    https://www.evolutiondeceit.com/
    Please check your sources my brother. When you refer to something you also need to check where the information is coming from and whether it is trustworthy.

    Personally...İ will reject ANY information without even reading if it comes from Harun Yahya. İf you knew his background, this man is wrong on many many levels and cannot be trusted.
    He even admitted multiple times himself on live tv that he is involved in freemasonary...got arrested multiple times for various crimes etc.
    This man would be the last man on Earth more or less i will trust.
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    Please check your sources my brother. When you refer to something you also need to check where the information is coming from and whether it is trustworthy.

    Personally...İ will reject ANY information without even reading if it comes from Harun Yahya. İf you knew his background, this man is wrong on many many levels and cannot be trusted.
    He even admitted multiple times himself on live tv that he is involved in freemasonary...got arrested multiple times for various crimes etc.
    This man would be the last man on Earth more or less i will trust.
    The sources are good and reliable as the contents of that book are all referenced to works by creationist scientists and evolutionist scientists.

    One of the person's from Harun Yahya's organisation revealed that Harun himself never wrote the book and it was people in his organisation that done the research and compiled it (from 11:05) :

    https://youtu.be/JnqaI67LeSo

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    THE TITLES OF THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNORS IN THE QURAN
    Moses was not the only prophet who lived on the lands of Egypt in ancient history. The prophet Joseph lived there before him.
    We see a certain parallel reading the stories of Moses and Joseph. Addressing the Egyptian governor at the time of Joseph, the word "malik" is used in the Qur'an:
    And the king said: Bring him unto me that I may attach him to my person. And when he had talked with him he said: Lo! thou art to-day in our presence established and trusted.. [Quran, Surah Yusuf 12:54]


    On the contrary, the governor at the time of Moses is referred to as "Pharaoh":
    And verily We gave unto Moses nine tokens, clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty). Do but ask the Children of Israel how he came unto them, then Pharaoh said unto him: Lo! I deem thee one bewitched, O Moses." [Quran, Surah Al-Isra 17: 101]


    The historical chronicles that are available today show the reason for the different nomenclature of these governors. The word "pharaoh" was originally the name given to the royal palace in ancient Egypt. The governors of the old dynasty did not use this title. The use of the word pharaoh as the title of the governor did not begin until the time of the New Kingdom. This period begins with the 18th Dynasty (1532-1292 BC) and the word Pharaoh was adopted as a title of respect from the 20th Dynasty (945-730 BC).


    The miraculous nature of the Quran is once again manifest: Joseph lived in the Old Kingdom era and so the word "malik" was used for the Egyptian governor rather than the "Pharaoh". On the other hand, as Moses lived in the time of the New Kingdom, the governor of Egypt is called "pharaoh".
    There is no doubt that one must know the history of Egypt in order to make such a distinction. However, the history of ancient Egypt was completely forgotten from the 4th century because the hieroglyphs could no longer be deciphered and it was rediscovered only in the 19th century. Therefore, there was no detailed knowledge of Egyptian history when the Qur'an was revealed.

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    Hmmm it seems there is an ulterior motive for him to want us to disregard intelligent design.
    You got this totally wrong.

    Subboor explains clearly that the way scientific communities misrepresent intelligent design is the reason why he doesn't support it. It's a subtle point, but a potent one nonetheless.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbdurRahman. View Post
    He wants us to accept the evolution theory:

    https://youtu.be/riqCx84rhfY
    This is actually quite idiotic, and shows you did not understand the session at all. Subboor explains, quite beautifully, how Darwinism is a failed hypothesis.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbdurRahman. View Post
    I'm wondering wether IERA have been paid by UK government to do this
    Conspiracy theorist alert!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AbdurRahman. View Post
    evolution theory is completely false and unscientific so why should any Muslim want us to accept it :

    https://www.evolutiondeceit.com/
    Some Muslims might want you to accept it - but Subboor - is not one of them.
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    You got this totally wrong.

    Subboor explains clearly that the way scientific communities misrepresent intelligent design is the reason why he doesn't support it. It's a subtle point, but a potent one nonetheless.



    This is actually quite idiotic, and shows you did not understand the session at all. Subboor explains, quite beautifully, how Darwinism is a failed hypothesis.



    Conspiracy theorist alert!!!



    Some Muslims might want you to accept it - but Subboor - is not one of them.

    He said in his video that because intelligent design scientists say it is impossible for animals to have evolved one from another, this is why we should disregard it. He's just trying to remove impediment to believing in evolution

    The scientists infact do have good scientific evidence why it would have been impossible for a lot of creatures to have evolved from one another; see here for example:

    https://m.harunyahya.com/tr/Books/97...ds-and-Mammals

    It's also impossible for apes to have evolved into men due to their bone structures and specifically the backbone:


    Recent researches reveal that it is impossible for the bent ape skeleton fit for quadrupedal stride to evolve into upright human skeleton fit for bipedal stride.


    https://m.harunyahya.com/tr/Books/97...uman-Evolution


    Anyone who believes God created life, then there isn't even a reason to try set out to prove life came about by step by step micro or macro evolution, as God could have created all creatures in their full forms. It's only those who wish to deny God that attempts to designate life to a process of cause and effect so people can think life or universe doesn't need God. This is another reason why Muslims should naturally find evolution theory suspect.


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