Okay. So this is related to some "activity" I have seen in the university but I know for a fact that this problem is around the world.
What I don't understand is why do women wear the hijab or scarf or whatever while at the same time have make up, boyfriend's, dance in fests or programmes in front of everyone. They are basically everything that secular girls do if not worse things. No really what is the point? Can someone here make sense of this because I cant.
Look I think those who are secular or irreligious should dress accordingly. Bangladesh is a secular state, no one will criticize them if they dress like Indians or westerners. And it would be better if they commit all the sins they want in mini-skirt rather than doing under the guise of being religious.
I hate hypocrites. They are worse than Communists.
More accurately, the point is not to be hypocrite.
I think one should not do the community a disservice by religious deception. He/she should make it clear where he/she stands.
And if he/she is an atheist then let her be an atheist, no problem. Just don't practice your irreligiosity and atheism under the guise of religion. Don't be two faced.
If I am not wrong the Prophet(S) hated two faced people.
You are not wrong about the hadiith.
I am trying to visualize a girl who wears the hijaab but has a boyfriend. Is she really two faced or is this a sin of hers just like everyone has sins?
If she has a boyfriend, there is a good chance it is public knowledge (or for this scenario I assume it is known). If she does not hide this fact, then that means she is not scared of the world so her hijaab is not for show off. In this case, I am trying to understand how she is different from a person who prays five times a day, does tabliigh, yet goes to prostitutes (as this is something an elder related to me after a tablighi told him he did this personally).
In this case, it could simply be a case of we are sinners. Why give up the good deeds we do out of despair of our sins because we all will sin. Our sins are just different.
The second scenario is of a girl who does wear the hijaab but has a boyfriend in secret.
In her case we have two possibilities.
She wears the hijaab only to show off to the world. She wants ppl to think she is pious. Yet, she is not. I can see this being two faced.
But the other possibility is that she truly does hijaab for Allaah and keeps her boyfriend secret because we are not supposed to publicize our sins. In this case, I am trying to understand how she is different from those who help the poor, pray, have great akhlaaq, but drink wine in private and do not want anyone to know.
More accurately, the point is not to be hypocrite.
I think one should not do the community a disservice by religious deception. He/she should make it clear where he/she stands.
And if he/she is an atheist then let her be an atheist, no problem. Just don't practice your irreligiosity and atheism under the guise of religion. Don't be two faced.
If I am not wrong the Prophet(S) hated two faced people.
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While hypocritic men with beard exist especially in madrassas (I raised this point before), I don't think you will ever find a bearded muslim man wearing Punjabi dancing to some nasty Hindi songs in front of dozens of people or doing "things" with a girl friend in some corner (he wouldn't get a girlfriend in the first place if he has beard).
Of course! Modern women hate beards. They find it "caveman", "ape", disgusting, barbaric, ugly, they will start having thoughts of food stuck inside the beards that causes them to puke and repulse from the inside. But smoothed, feminine, faced boy/man, emo...is attractive and clean and modern. So obviously hypocrite or modern women will not date men with beards in the first place. In fact, she will not date him if he have hair on his body...ESPECIALLY hairs on the back...that will cause women to unite and form a rally against hairs in the back.
I am trying to visualize a girl who wears the hijaab but has a boyfriend. Is she really two faced or is this a sin of hers just like everyone has sins?
If she has a boyfriend, there is a good chance it is public knowledge (or for this scenario I assume it is known). If she does not hide this fact, then that means she is not scared of the world so her hijaab is not for show off. In this case, I am trying to understand how she is different from a person who prays five times a day, does tabliigh, yet goes to prostitutes (as this is something an elder related to me after a tablighi told him he did this personally).
In this case, it could simply be a case of we are sinners. Why give up the good deeds we do out of despair of our sins because we all will sin. Our sins are just different.
The second scenario is of a girl who does wear the hijaab but has a boyfriend in secret.
In her case we have two possibilities.
She wears the hijaab only to show off to the world. She wants ppl to think she is pious. Yet, she is not. I can see this being two faced.
But the other possibility is that she truly does hijaab for Allaah and keeps her boyfriend secret because we are not supposed to publicize our sins. In this case, I am trying to understand how she is different from those who help the poor, pray, have great akhlaaq, but drink wine in private and do not want anyone to know.
You will have a hard time to visualize unless you finished your university at max 5-6 years ago. Remember this whole hijab fashion came about in last 10 years due to some youtubers and social media influencers.
They are secretive as in they don't share their lifestyle details with their parents ofcourse, they don't hide it infront of their friends or classmates. And it's not just boyfriend, boyfriend is normal for them. As I mentioned, some of them danced to dirty hindi music, you know what they call "item song" in a batch party of sorts. Obviously neither me nor a lot of guys went there. Infact half of the male students didn't go (nearly all of the females did). So those who did recorded the incident and shared it in our group. And honestly it was one the worst things I've seen in my life, the clip was 6 min, I could barely go trhough 30 seconds.
Okay if they want to "party" and do stuff why do they bother pretending to be religious wearing headscarf.
And I am very much sure, BD isn;t only place where such girls exists, it's a worldwide phenomenon, maybe not the dancing but surely the hypocrisy.
l-hamdolillah I do not have girlfriends, I never did and I never will. Al-hamdolillah I toke having girlfriends seriously when I was a little boy, like I was 6 or 7 years old....Al-hamdillah I used strict Islamic Hijjab on myself when I was that age too and I hated wearing shorts to showing to ankles.
I see it in boys a lot even in this age. There was a boy yesterday (I do volunteer in mosques, teaching Qura'an) he send his mom to tell the sheikh that he is SO EMBARRASSED to enter inside because he is wearing shorts. If it is ok to enter while wearing shorts. I tell him all the time..you are not a boy. You are a young man. I tell him, he is very mature young man and I respect him as a young man. I see maturity in him far his age, masha'allah. That boy will take his Islam seriously mash'allah.
You will have a hard time to visualize unless you finished your university at max 5-6 years ago. Remember this whole hijab fashion came about in last 10 years due to some youtubers and social media influencers.
They are secretive as in they don't share their lifestyle details with their parents ofcourse, they don't hide it infront of their friends or classmates. And it's not just boyfriend, boyfriend is normal for them. As I mentioned, some of them danced to dirty hindi music, you know what they call "item song" in a batch party of sorts. Obviously neither me nor a lot of guys went there. Infact half of the male students didn't go (nearly all of the females did). So those who did recorded the incident and shared it in our group. And honestly it was one the worst things I've seen in my life, the clip was 6 min, I could barely go trhough 30 seconds.
Okay if they want to "party" and do stuff why do they bother pretending to be religious wearing headscarf.
And I am very much sure, BD isn;t only place where such girls exists, it's a worldwide phenomenon, maybe not the dancing but surely the hypocrisy.
I must admit my complete lack of knowledge as it has been a long time since Uni. As you rightly pointed out, I would not be able to fully comprehend it because of my lack of experience. My visualizations would be limited by my experience.
I must admit my complete lack of knowledge as it has been a long time since Uni. As you rightly pointed out, I would not be able to fully comprehend it because of my lack of experience. My visualizations would be limited by my experience.
University??! Pffft...go earlier than that. High-school. It is from there it starts..NOT university.
Of course! Modern women hate beards. They find it "caveman", "ape", disgusting, barbaric, ugly, they will start having thoughts of food stuck inside the beards that causes them to puke and repulse from the inside. But smoothed, feminine, faced boy/man, emo...is attractive and clean and modern. So obviously hypocrite or modern women will not date men with beards in the first place. In fact, she will not date him if he have hair on his body...ESPECIALLY hairs on the back...that will cause women to unite and form a rally against hairs in the back.
Not beard, just beard that's not shaved properly. I mean those who keep beard for religious purposes and those who keep it for fashion can be easily distinguished. Religious beard is larger and they don't like that kind, they prefer the shorter beard.
Tbh they dislike the conservative, traditional attitude in guys rather than the beard itself. But the beard and punjabi is an indicator that the man in question is conservative which is why they steer clear.
Bangladesh is not Turkey, Bangladesh has been ruled by radical secularists for more than decade. And except for madrasa students, no one forces anyone to wear hijab.
That is the whole point of my post.
Btw an actress recently said she doesn't believe in religion. No one publicly condemned her. And I honestly respect that atheist more than the hypocritic two faced people.
If they want to be irreligious or want to be western, they are free - no one is stopping them least of all in a University.
Then why do they keep insisting on wearing hijab and also doing all types of sins. Wear a mini-skirt and sin all you want I don't care.
Bro, its not anyone’s right to tell who can commit which sin. If they want to wear hijab they will regardless of which other sins they commit at the same time. Really who is sinless? Its not your right to tell them to wear mini skirts just becuase they commit some other sins too. Every sin carries its own burden.
On the other hand, they might be wearing it for the first reason in my initial post. Just because they go to university doesnt mean they can escape from their cultural borders.
SZ-shaikh you really liked the reply, eh? I think we forgot something here. As a Muslim it is our duty to hate evil to show we are believer. At first if we see evil or someone who commits the sin and we have the power to stop it, we stop it. If we do not have that power, we at least tell them about it in hopes they stop their evil, repent and return back, if we do not have that power, at least tell them to do the sin where it is not visible publicly and if we have no power to do that, at least hate it in your heart (and that is the weakest form of ima'an). Being dayyouth to your brothers or sisters will not help things, will make things worse and if Allah wills to destroy that nation and you are living in it..you are joining them with the shipping sinking.
Just because you haven't witnessed this situation it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I have witnessed bearded men with girlfriend's and i have also seen hijabi girls with boyfriend's. Yes it happens. We can only pray for guidance Ameen. Lets start changing ourselves and this will in turn reap positive outcomes. Insha Allah.
Pain and hardships allow you to grow spiritually Alhamdulilah so smile when a so called calamity befalls upon you.
Alhamdulilah Allah swt is the greatest.
Bro, its not anyone’s right to tell who can commit which sin. If they want to wear hijab they will regardless of which other sins they commit at the same time. Really who is sinless? Its not your right to tell them to wear mini skirts just becuase they commit some other sins too. Every sin carries its own burden.
On the other hand, they might be wearing it for the first reason in my initial post. Just because they go to university doesnt mean they can escape from their cultural borders.
Well it is my community, so yes I do have a say in it. And religion is soemthing that roots out to all people (both for and agaisnt it) one way or the other. Prophet Muhammad(S) said muslim community is like one body. So yes I have a right to have a say in it.
And frankly, we are not naive here. All sins are not the same, a 12 yo lying to his parent's about his test scores is a 'sin' but it is not a major sin that corrupts society like the ones I mentioned in this thread. Let's not go over this, "We all sin" as an excuse to look away at all the garbage in our countries.
And again I disagree with your assertion. There isn't a lot of monitoring and definitely no enforcement of a dresscode in a university, infact it is encouraged to be free there, that's why in every country the most liberal, secular and atheistic places are universities. Like your Odtu University in Turkey for example.
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format_quote Originally Posted by BeTheChange
Asalamualykum
Just because you haven't witnessed this situation it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I have witnessed bearded men with girlfriend's and i have also seen hijabi girls with boyfriend's. Yes it happens. We can only pray for guidance Ameen. Lets start changing ourselves and this will in turn reap positive outcomes. Insha Allah.
Just men with a beard? Or religious/sunnah beard?
I have never seen a man with sunnah beard in public places have a girlfriend or act in the same way so many hijab wearing girls do. The worst bearded men I have heard of are madrasa teachers, not everyday ones I see . Granted, those (sunnah following) bearded men are much fewer comapred to hijab wearing girls. But that is exactly my point. The rarer they are, they more genuine they are. Main streaming of hijab was a grave mistake, it shoudl have been left for the real, pious ones.
It was narrated that Allah's Messenger Muhammad (SallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said:-"Allah does not look at your outward appearance and your wealth, rather He looks at your hearts and deeds."
This does not mean that Muslims
must look 'unseemly' or 'shabby',
no, for-Allah is beautiful and He loves 'beauty'.
This means that we should focus
on what's more important,
like our Iman/faith, good deeds and
good Islamic personality,
Focus on pleasing Allah,
forget fashion that can divert you
from Allah's path,
if you live your life aiming to please people,
you may end up with Allah's wrath,
that is, if you come on Judgment Day
with an empty record of good deeds,
so do more good deeds for the sake of Allah,
for-'doing good and being good'-is-'being beautiful'
SZ-shaikh you really liked the reply, eh? I think we forgot something here. As a Muslim it is our duty to hate evil to show we are believer. At first if we see evil or someone who commits the sin and we have the power to stop it, we stop it. If we do not have that power, we at least tell them about it in hopes they stop their evil, repent and return back, if we do not have that power, at least tell them to do the sin where it is not visible publicly and if we have no power to do that, at least hate it in your heart (and that is the weakest form of ima'an). Being dayyouth to your brothers or sisters will not help things, will make things worse and if Allah wills to destroy that nation and you are living in it..you are joining them with the shipping sinking.
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