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    Is this disbelief ?

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    In Islam it is forbidden to learn magic and astrology but nowadays the knowledge of magic and astrology has become so common that it is extremely widespread to the point that it has become unavoidable.
    What if you read magic or astrology accidently.
    I was reading a book COMPLETELY NOT RELATED TO ASTROLOGY WHATSOEVER and suddenly while reading I read such and such thing is an astrological sign.
    Even though I did not believe what I read whatsoever, but does that mean that I have learnt astrology and commited shirk ?
    What is the ruling on this ?

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Astrology in the Hadith

    Narrated by Abu Dawud, it is suggested that the Prophet Muhammad stated "Whoever seeks knowledge from the stars is seeking one of the branches of witchcraft…”; that of which is inherently forbidden in Islam.
    Is this disbelief ?


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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Can you explain in detail

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    I do believe in astrology to a certain degree, but not the predicting the future part. I like how they try to define an astrological sign.

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sovietchild View Post
    I do believe in astrology to a certain degree, but not the predicting the future part. I like how they try to define an astrological sign.
    Assalam o alaikum rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

    Astrology is shirk. We shouldn't believe in such things. Magic is considered as disbelief
    Is this disbelief ?

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Quote Originally Posted by taha_ View Post
    Assalam o alaikum rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

    Astrology is shirk. We shouldn't believe in such things. Magic is considered as disbelief
    And why is that? I was born in October and the planet was facing different way than yours. I should be at list little bit different from you because every action has a reaction. I believe you are confusing the shirk park with the predicting the future which I agree with you.

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sovietchild View Post
    And why is that? I was born in October and the planet was facing different way than yours. I should be at list little bit different from you because every action has a reaction. I believe you are confusing the shirk park with the predicting the future which I agree with you.
    Assalam o alaikum rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

    Hadith

    حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَمُسَدَّدٌ، - الْمَعْنَى - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، عَنْ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ الأَخْنَسِ، عَنِ الْوَلِيدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ يُوسُفَ بْنِ مَاهَكَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

    ‏ مَنِ اقْتَبَسَ عِلْمًا مِنَ النُّجُومِ اقْتَبَسَ شُعْبَةً مِنَ السِّحْرِ زَادَ مَا زَادَ ‏"

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    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

    The Prophet (ﷺ) said: If anyone acquires any knowledge of astrology, he acquires a branch of magic of which he gets more as long as he continues to do so.

    Hasan (Al-Albani)

    Sunan Abi Dawud 3905
    In-book : Book 30, Hadith 2
    English translation : Book 29, Hadith 3896
    Abu Dawood

    Allah knows best.
    Is this disbelief ?

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Quote Originally Posted by taha_ View Post
    Assalam o alaikum rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

    Hadith

    حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، وَمُسَدَّدٌ، - الْمَعْنَى - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، عَنْ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ الأَخْنَسِ، عَنِ الْوَلِيدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ يُوسُفَ بْنِ مَاهَكَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

    ‏ مَنِ اقْتَبَسَ عِلْمًا مِنَ النُّجُومِ اقْتَبَسَ شُعْبَةً مِنَ السِّحْرِ زَادَ مَا زَادَ ‏"

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    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

    The Prophet (ﷺ) said: If anyone acquires any knowledge of astrology, he acquires a branch of magic of which he gets more as long as he continues to do so.

    Hasan (Al-Albani)

    Sunan Abi Dawud 3905
    In-book : Book 30, Hadith 2
    English translation : Book 29, Hadith 3896
    Abu Dawood

    Allah knows best.
    What is that quote talking about, do you know? If I was born when the planet was rotating faster than yours, my personality should be different than yours. I think we are talking about different things. I believe that quote was talking about predicting the future.

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Is the above hadith authentic and sahih?
    Because in other hadiths it said that one must seek knowledge from cradle to grave meaning one must always be seeker of knowledge through out their lives
    So I think that the above stated hadith is contradicting to the hadiths which say that one must be a seeker of knowledge as it is impossible to already know what you will read before actually reading it like in my case I had absolutely no idea that it was going to read what it said that such and such thing is an astrological sign .
    I have one more question is it permissible for me to continue reading the same book as it is important for me to read,learn the other parts of the book which is clean (not related to astrology whatsoever ) ?

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Staranimator View Post
    In Islam it is forbidden to learn magic and astrology but nowadays the knowledge of magic and astrology has become so common that it is extremely widespread to the point that it has become unavoidable.
    What if you read magic or astrology accidently.
    I was reading a book COMPLETELY NOT RELATED TO ASTROLOGY WHATSOEVER and suddenly while reading I read such and such thing is an astrological sign.
    Even though I did not believe what I read whatsoever, but does that mean that I have learnt astrology and commited shirk ?
    What is the ruling on this ?
    So just to clarify you're not confusing astronomy with astrology are you?

    Astrology has no application in the modern day, other than for entertainment of superstitious teenage girls.

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    No I am not it said such and such thing is an astrological sign

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Staranimator View Post
    Is the above hadith authentic and sahih?
    Because in other hadiths it said that one must seek knowledge from cradle to grave meaning one must always be seeker of knowledge through out their lives
    So I think that the above stated hadith is contradicting to the hadiths which say that one must be a seeker of knowledge as it is impossible to already know what you will read before actually reading it like in my case I had absolutely no idea that it was going to read what it said that such and such thing is an astrological sign .
    I have one more question is it permissible for me to continue reading the same book as it is important for me to read,learn the other parts of the book which is clean (not related to astrology whatsoever ) ?
    I too think you are confusing astronomy with astrology.
    astromoy is science...and very usefull and totally halal.
    astrology however is pseudo science. it is not proven at all that it works...it " predicts someones future"...but the fact is...noone can predict someones future.

    yes there are many hadeeths saying you must seek knowledge from cradle to the grave...but magic and astrology are just ways how to trick people...put illusions...make something look like something else....closing pacts with jinns to get hidden information about someone with the help of jinns etc.
    there is no science involved here. only dishonost people do magic and astrology...there is no place in Islam for that.

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    Re: Is this disbelief ?

    I am not saying that one must learn magic or astrology and learning magic is clearly stated forbidden in Quran .
    But what if you read it accidently like I did without knowing . Because if you read a lot of books, (eventual in some book or another,-this is where the contradiction of the two hadiths is -) then you will definitely come across a book that some contents of the book will not at all be related to the heading of the book.Cause most books about whatever topics(sciences,business books etc) are not written by Muslims , so for them it is okay to read about astrology and things. I did not confuse astrology with astronomy.It clearly said that such and such a thing is an astrological sign.


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