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    Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

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    being among the 70,000 is one does not do ruqyah. Does this mean one does not perform ruqyah on himself either? Or does he simply not seek it from someone else? Is seeking medicine and treatment exclude a person from this category? Another thing is a person does not belive in omens. I do not belive in opens but am very pessimistic which is due to depression and bad past. Can having depression and pessimistic ideas exclude a person from this category? They say these people have hearts that are light as birds? What does that mean? Can a person get angry or upset with people or does he simply not have these emotions? If a person who was not religious when young or commits sins can he still be included in this category?

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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    It's not "the one who does not do ruqya" -- it's "the one who asks others to do ruqya on him/her"

    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1390...ght-to-account

    Praise be to Allaah.Firstly:
    Al-Bukhaari (6472) and Muslim (220) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy thousand of my ummah will enter Paradise without being brought to account; they are the ones who did not ask for ruqyah or believe in omens or use cautery and they put their trust in their Lord.” These people will enter Paradise without being brought to account because of the perfection of their Tawheed, their complete trust in Allah and their independence from people.
    The one who asks for ruqyah from others is not included in that seventy thousand who will enter Paradise without being brought to account, due to the shortfall in their trust in Allah, because asking for ruqyah involves a kind of humiliation and need of the raaqi (the one who performs ruqyah), and part of complete trust and Tawheed is that the Muslim should not ask people for anything.
    Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    Jabir bin 'Abdullah narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:'A slave (of Allah) shall not believe until he believes in Al-Qadar, its good and its bad, such that he knows that what struck him would not have missed him, and that what missed him would not have struck him." (Jami 'at Tirmidhi)

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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    Doesn't it just apply to a person suffering from acute diseases or minor injuries?
    Coz the one who is suffering from chronic diseases like diabetes has to take regular medications.. or he/she too can put his/her trust in Allah and not take medication???

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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    I'm confused as well

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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    I think the ruqya mentioned here is just the ruqya of some kind of evil possession or evil eye and if one feels pain in some part of his body.
    Bcoz, I read in 'Healing with the medicine of the prophet' that the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) advised to seek a good doctor for the diseases, although he had told the ruqyas, but there were some hadiths where he told to consult a doctor.
    And in islam QA , whenever they talked about this thing, they always mentioned the jinn possession and evil eye or some pain in body and not chronic diseases. Do I make sense?
    This is the extract:

    If a person adheres to the religion of Allah, does that which Allah has enjoined upon him and refrains from that which Allah has forbidden to him, then he needs to ask for ruqyah, and there is no remedy apart from that, then it is prescribed for him to ask for ruqyah, and we hope that this will not rule out his being among those who will be admitted to Paradise without being brought to account.

    Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

    The seventy thousand are those who adhered to the religion of Allah, refrained from that which Allah had forbidden and did that which Allah had enjoined. One of their good attributes is that they do not ask for ruqyah. But asking for ruqyah does not rule out a person’s being among the seventy thousand, because asking for ruqyah means requesting it, and if there is a need for it, then there is nothing wrong with it. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) told ‘Aa’ishah to seek ruqyah, and he told the mother of Ja‘far’s children to seek ruqyah for her children, so there is nothing wrong with that.

    And if there is a need for cautery, there is nothing wrong with being cauterized, although refraining from it is preferable, if another option is available.

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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    About that depression thing, everyone is depressed at one time or the other. Even the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was depressed once, but it is better if we avoid the whispers of shaitaan and trust Allah and BE NOT DEPRESSED.
    I don't think these emotions will exclude a person from this category. That category is just about the ones who don't ask for ruqya. And as far as I know, there isn't any ruqya for the emotions. How can there be a ruqya for a thing which is in human nature. Rather it's just for evil eyes and all.
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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    What about being pessimistic and depressed? Can that remove a person? Sometimes it hard to have complete tawakul when the person is depressed. And his heart light as a bird? Does this mean the person never get upset or frustrated with people?

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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Studentofdeed View Post
    What about being pessimistic and depressed? Can that remove a person? Sometimes it hard to have complete tawakul when the person is depressed. And his heart light as a bird? Does this mean the person never get upset or frustrated with people?
    Ummm...just above your reply.. check it

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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    Ruqyah is not just for jinn, evil eye and sorcery - but also physical illness.
    It is mentioned in the hadith that Al Fatihah was recited to cure a tribe leader from scorpion sting (or snake bite).
    The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa salaam recite on himself every night before sleep and whenever he is ill, also when he was afflicted with sorcery.

    Since Quran is sent down as healing, mercy and guidance, then there is no harm in reciting Quran to seek healing.
    It does not mean a sick person should not seek healing medically, after all the sick person can combine medical treatment and reciting Quran (and any dua asking Allah for healing)

    More info here
    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/3011...dition-worsens


    Anger, depression, anything you are suffering mentally and physically - can also be result of afflictions.
    There is nothing wrong seeking healing medically or by the Quran (spiritually) or both.
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    Jabir bin 'Abdullah narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:'A slave (of Allah) shall not believe until he believes in Al-Qadar, its good and its bad, such that he knows that what struck him would not have missed him, and that what missed him would not have struck him." (Jami 'at Tirmidhi)

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    Re: Among the 70,000 - what excludes a person or includes??

    I apologize I just saw it now. Jazakhallah Khayran. I get overwhelmed sometimes. May Allah reward you with the best of both worlds
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