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    Is Apostasy Really Punishable by Death? (OP)


    Is this really something that Islamic teachings uphold?

    The reason this surprises me is that people’s emans fluctuate all the time. It may be so low at a point in someone’s life that they stop calling themselves Muslims but with Allāh’s guidance, what’s to say they won’t find their way back onto the right path?

    People could later become some of the best Muslims but they wouldn’t get the chance to repent and reach that stage if they’re executed.

    Just a couple of examples - the youtubers Way of Life SQ and Fousey Tube. They both even went as far as getting tattoos and denouncing their faith entirely but SubhanAllah they’ve reverted back to Islam and are helping others to find their way back too ما شاء الله.

    Is this ruling really enforced? Are exceptions made?

    This just really upsets me because I have people in my life who have denounced their faith in Islam but I pray every single day that Allah will guide them. I like to think that they will have the chance to come back - I can’t even fathom the thought of their execution and taking away that chance.
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    Re: Is Apostasy Really Punishable by Death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    By all means we should discuss such topics to get further clarity. I am not opposed to have these discussions. But we also need to be careful with our scholarly work. We can't simply reject the opinion of our well established scholars only because it goes against our own desires. What we need, is to look into the evidence provided by different scholars, look at how this issue has been understood historically by the companions and see if the opinion of these scholars align with our historical understanding of such issues.
    I also understand that apostasy laws are some times misused


    I could not open this article.

    I just opened up this article and it is no surprise to see that this article compliments Islamqa's opinion on many levels. I think you are confused with the term minor apostasy, quoting directly from that article:

    Can you name a single Muslim who leaves Islam and remains peaceful, not talking bad about Islam on social media? If not, then they don't fall into the category of minor apostasy. 99.99 % apostates fall in the category of Major Apostasy which we all agree deserves death penalty.
    Someone’s abandonment of Islam does not decrease Allah in anything. Nor should it have any impact on our iman and our pursuit of our Lord.
    People want to throw themselves off the Ark? Yes it’s sad and yes we try our utmost to prevent that and help Muslims get off the ledge. But if people are insistent on their own destruction and have taken the plunge into the abyss, sorry, the rest of us can’t be bothered at that point. Put the drama aside. We have more important things to worry about. Like our own salvation and praying that what deluded such people doesn’t infect our own hearts.
    That’s a bit of an exaggeration. The people I wrote this post about never post negatively about Islam on social media. I can name them but you wouldn’t know them. In fact, I don’t personally know anyone who speaks bad about Islam on social media.

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    Re: Is Apostasy Really Punishable by Death?

    Quote Originally Posted by m4rouf View Post
    That’s a bit of an exaggeration. The people I wrote this post about never post negatively about Islam on social media. I can name them but you wouldn’t know them. In fact, I don’t personally know anyone who speaks bad about Islam on social media.
    Social media is just one example. It is impossible for someone to apostate openly and not discuss his/her views with people around them. The reasons could be multiple such as to justify their own actions or to convince others to join them. I can post many links of apostates who are very openly criticizing Islam and some of them still live in Muslim countries but I don’t want to be part of advertising for fitna.

    By apostating, they have already rebelled against the society they were part of and have broken the social fabric of their families. I can’t imagine the impact it would have had on their parents, siblings and other relatives. If these apostates did not care about the impact their decision will have on their families, I am not sure why are you so worried. At the best, you can make dua for their guidance.

    I would personally cut off my ties with such people regardless of how close they are to me. Enemies of Islam are my enemies regardless of their relationship to me. Remember our faith is not complete until we love Allah and His messenger more than ourselves & this also means hate those who rejected the blessing of Allah in the form of Islam.

    Anyways instead of giving my own opinion, please read the opinion of our scholars on how should we deal with apostates in our families. Link is below:
    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1699...is-an-apostate

    And Allah knows the best!
    Ma’aSalaam
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    Re: Is Apostasy Really Punishable by Death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Avis View Post
    Here is what the U.S. says about treason:

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


    You have nailed it. This is funny because most Western countries talk about Justice, freedom of speech and they think they have the right to civilize the entire world. They can go and kill leaders of Islamic states such as Saddam Hussain, Muammar Qaddafi and no one would say a word. How is that Justice? I guess they were freeing people from oppressors in their own definition.
    They can go and kill millions of children and common citizens in Afghanistan and Iraq, but again it is justified because that have civilized them ( according to their own standards).
    They can kill their own citizens outside USA for treason and yet they have the audacity to criticize Islam for its apostasy laws. Muslim don't go and hunt down apostates living in non-Muslim countries. And even the apostates living in Islam states are given an opportunity to repent before execution unlike liberals. Which system is more Just - Islamic law or so-called liberal laws?
    Muslims need to educate themselves better and believe in Shariah laws with 100% conviction.
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    Re: Is Apostasy Really Punishable by Death?

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    Re: Is Apostasy Really Punishable by Death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Islami.mu'min View Post
    I don't believe it is punishable by death... I know it is what our classic scholars will say because of the hadith narrations that talk about this, but I think there is more to it.

    Look at these Quran narrations.
    And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve.}*(Al-Kahf 18:29)

    He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement. This is because they love this world’s life more than the hereafter, and because Allah does not guide the unbelieving people. These are they on whose hearts and their hearing and their eyes Allah has set a seal, and these are the heedless ones. No doubt that in the hereafter they will be the losers.}* (An-Nahl 16:106-109)

    This second Quran narration is talking about the terrible punishment of the HEREAFER for these ex muslims. I don't think they can be punished now.


    I do understand that scholars will use hadith narrations to prove that you must kill an apostate, but isn't the Quran's word above the hadith? Some argue that there is no compulsion in Islam except that when it comes to apostates, they can be punished. But it doesn't make sense. An apostate is disbeliever just like any other disbeliever.

    The hadith cannot contradict the quran, otherwise it is authentic right? Either that hadith was authentic OR maybe the apostates back then were considered a threat because they could be of harm to the muslims or something.

    If anyone disagrees with me, I'd like to hear your opinion on this topic
    There are several hadiths I can quote but I can see from your post that an evidence from Quran will be more convincing Inshallah.

    إِنَّمَا جَزَٰٓؤُا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَن يُقَتَّلُوٓا۟ أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوٓا۟ أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُم مِّنْ خِلَٰفٍ أَوْ يُنفَوْا۟ مِنَ ٱلْأَرْضِ ذَٰلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْىٌ فِى ٱلدُّنْيَا وَلَهُمْ فِى ٱلْءَاخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ


    Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment. [Quran 5:33]
    Waging war against something may be done by physically attacking it or by speaking against it. The latter may be far more dangerous than the former with regard to religions. So is also the case with spreading mischief: it may be through causing physical damage or through causing moral harm, and the latter is, likewise, far more hazardous than the former with regard to religions. This proves how much more harmful it is to wage war against Allah and His Messenger by speaking against them and seeking to spread mischief in the land. In Arab culture, we say that the pen is mightier than the tongue. Writing about something may be far more effective than merely speaking about it, especially in this day and age, as writings can be widely published. I hope it makes sense.

    Also refer to post#13 in this thread which related to when and why punishment of apostasy was first introduced in Islam.

    Regarding the verses you have mentioned in your post, yes there is no compulsion in the religion. But when one accepts Islam, he/she has to accept the entire package and part of the package in execution for apostasy because it destroys the Muslim family & corrupts the Muslim society.

    And Allah knows the best!
    Ma'aSalaam
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