IMO the ancient generations from pre-written history had better TECHNOLOGY then US

Today I will cover why these earlier civilizations and generations never left written history nor traces of their existences?

Lets just assume that today we leave this world where our cities are still standing and we return 20.000 years later we won't be able to prove that people lived here because everything will collapse and will be lost to the eons and cities will turn into forests again where roads will become grassing place for animals and it will become soil and grow grass. All the buildings will collapse after 1000-2000 years and the last remaining thing that will stand for upto 10000 years will be our dams.

Nobody would be able to prove that we ever walked the earth and there would be no evidence that these places were once triving cities where a nation once called home.

There has been many apologetic events in human history and the once mentioned in the Quran and hadith is just the tip of the iceberg meaning there is countless of destructions that has not been mentioned and Allah says that he destroyed many generations after Hud but the Quran only mentions very few like Hud, Thamud, Noah, Lot, the people of the garden, etc etc and one thing to note is that everything post Ibrahim was amongst the later people aka our timeline because he was close to our timeline he was amongst the last people just like us but the history that predates Ibrahim is far greater like hundreds of million years of human history and in the Quran they call them the early people and we are called the later people but one thing to note is that the early people had many generations.

The humans from the early people that the Quran mentions are Adam, Eve, Qabil and Habil obviously they were the absolute first people on earth but after them we have the first civilization mentioned with the people of Noah since he was capable of building an Ark to house all animals he had technological and logistical power since such an ark would be to significant for someone without tools and advancement to build and it would have to be almost the size of current city in order to carry them all with their food and everything for weeks. Then we have Idris, The people of Aad, and we have the people of Thamud despite being much recent compared to the others they could have existed atleast million of decades ago which could be considered much recent in comparison to Aad and Noah who could be located 300 to 200 million years ago. Then there is the people of the Garden they could have been of the early people but there is no indiction and there is also Dhul Qarnayn who I personally lean on to be amongst these from pre-written history and pre-Ibrahim time. The Quran is not a historical book and it only takes these stories for moral reasons as an example. The people of Thamud who I believe predate Ibrahim and especially if you see their buildings you would realize that they were indeed large in order to build such big doors for them to walk thru it.

When the Prophet(Sa) mentioned Adam's height he indirectly gave us the timeline of Adam and from that we can calculate an approx. timeline of his existence but not a precise one since that is only with Allah. Everything had to be right for someone of his size to thrive on earth and the gravity has to be at the right balance for him and from that we can draw a picture.

The History of mankind is vastly greater then we comprehend and if mankind walked the earth for so long then everything possible that could happen probably happened already under the sun and by that I mean the same cliches and can you imagine how many kingdoms, nations and civilizations that has come and gone and can you imagine how many love-stories that has taken place or many generations that has been destroyed or how many wars that has taken place?

In my opinion there has been something called ''Re-set'' many times and the re-set is one of the destructions for sinful nations but this one is on global level and what it does is that it re-sets everything. Example the destruction on the people of Aad was not a ''Re-set'' but the destruction on the people of Noah was a ''Re-set'' because the destruction of Aad was on regional level and only targetted with the people of Aad not the other nations existing at that time but with the people of Noah it was global they brought in the water and took us on the Ark (Noah and his 3 sons + wives) It was a re-set destruction event.

The other destructions that were not ''Re-set'' mentioned in the Quran were the people Lot, Thamud, and the people of the garden and here comes the fun part ''WE'' will experience a complete ''Re-set'' like the people of Noah via Gog and Magog hence why they serve as our flood and once they come and destroy everything they have completed the mission of the ''Re-set'' few people will start allover again and re-build humanity. This re-set has taken place many times in human history and the Quran mentions one ''Re-set'' but there has been multiple ''Re-set'' in my opinion.

The last re-set could have been between 200.000 yrs - 500.000 years ago because there has been population bottleneck where all the existing people re-populated from 40 males and 40 females which indicts perhaps they were the survivors of that re-set and probably it was due to a volcanic eruption that caused the ice age and in my opinion could have claimed these before this re-set era we live in.

What happens in such a re-set era is loss of technology, knowlegde, medical knowlegde and many other things but most important thing is shirk because most of these civilizations were vile in nature since they were involved in stature worship and worshiping other false deities except the one who created them and far away from the guidence of Allah and pagan civilizations. It was a blessing that their books and way of life was lost in the destruction otherwise they would have corrupted us since they were older then us. The same thing will happen once Gog and Magog complete the re-set on us our Technology and knowledge will be lost and the few survivors will start from the beginning allover again and will build their worlds with new knowlegde and crave out their own technology as they keep continue growing in populations and slowly become nations again.

DISCLAIMER: I only provided you from what I had of resources and the unknown knowledge only belongs to Allah alone and I don't know the unknown but this is from my own research take notice of this

format_quote Originally Posted by Kiro

Even if they were smarter, doesn't mean they had the means.

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Even if they were smarter, doesn't mean they had the means.

I am referring to hundred millions of years of human civilzations with larger craniums then ours and with longer life spans then us. The idea of them being superior to us in every field can't be ruled out and imo if I had to place an educated guess I would definitely lean towards these civilzations being extremely advanced and sophisticated. There is no evidence remaining of their civilizations which is indeed sad because they were lost to the eons.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ümit

Yes about that...
For example we now have LED TV. 100 years back we didn't.
Does that mean the average person today is smarter than the average person 100 years ago?
No.
We are still just as smart. But we developed...we leant from each other...we have been building up our knowledge.
So even when people 10.000 years BC were smarter then us...that still doen't mean they had better technology than us.
So how did they build the pyramids?

İ do not know...but if they are much older than we thought...then there is an option that İ am not ruling out:
We know from the story of Sulaiman as that people used to interact with Jins back then.
And jins are very strong, very powerful creatures.
So they might have helped building up those pyramids.
Again...İ dont know...this is just a personal thought.

You both raised good questions for thought.

One thing I have always been wondering is exactly somewhat this and there is a glitch which have also been one of the major motivators to why I started researching this and that is because pre-10000 years ago there is nothing written and everything is empty beyond that stage? Example Ibrahim(sa) and his long line of prophet descendants (Bani Israel and Muhammed) were located in our era which makes them one of the absolute last people and many thousands years before them a ''Re-set'' happened which is why they existed in a less developed civilizations compared to the one we exist in today?

You see thousands of years before them probably pre the Ice-age something happened and I assume it was a major apocalyptic event which caused an effective ''Re-set'' which means probably a thriving civilization died and gave birth to a new one hence why they started from all over again with the few survivors from that apocalyptic event probably due to a volcano eruption that also likely caused the long ice-age. The Ice-age has slowly been disappearing and nowadays they call it global warming but that is not what it is? The earth is just recovering and returning to it's previous condition pre taking the damage due to the volcanic eruptions that may have caused the previous civilization to vanish.

In my opinion before a developed civilization occurs it needs time for development and the growth of the human population to occur along side the growth. Example in the era of the prophet they were slowly developing and continued on that path until it exploded during the industrial era because we grew so much population wise and the industrial era was key to our survival.

Example the human population is estimated to have been 2million during 10.000 BC? It doesn't add up where did people go? Imo they experienced a major ''Re-set'' event. This has been the Sunnah of our world and something that constantly repeat itself.

Example we often hear about the asteroids that killed the dinosaurs but humans were alive at that era since it was only 65 million years ago approx. It was imo another major ''Re-set'' similar to that water world ''Re-set'' event during Noah's era and not to forget that Noah's era pre-dates the alleged destruction of that asteroid by atleast 200+ million years if not even 300-million years. His life span was ''1000 years'' which means he was one of the earliest generations and probably stood 27-30m tall.

What we learn here is that the world is indeed mysterious and a magical place full of tales, mysteries and events while we can't even comprehend the amount of nations, languages and generations that have come and gone. The human history and the history of this world is arguably more fascinating then the wildest fairytale and more magical then the most magical tale ever

format_quote Originally Posted by Mountains

It seems like as if he was killed by that large snake and one thing to notice is that the snake could be an older version of Boa and it has gone extinct it is called Titanoboa it lived around 58 to 60 million years ago. The giant snake lived during the Middle to Late Paleocene epoch.

format_quote Originally Posted by Mountains

Luckily this place is open for tourists and you can hopefully visit it one day. They have found a large human skeleton and a serpent around him. The human is 6.5 meter tall

Sorry but what you're saying is not true.

Use your logic.

If a human was killed by a snake, why would the snake be dead too? One would have to overcome the other.

Secondly this is artwork and its in an exhibition.

These are conspiracy theories and they don't have anything to do with Islam. I suggest you use your free time doing other things of benefit.

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

Sorry but what you're saying is not true.

Use your logic.

If a human was killed by a snake, why would the snake be dead too? One would have to overcome the other.

Secondly this is artwork and its in an exhibition.

These are conspiracy theories and they don't have anything to do with Islam. I suggest you use your free time doing other things of benefit.

I didn't realize at first glance that it was an exhibition but upon doing further research I found out.

Thanks for the reminder sister. You can please remove that specific post. I want this thread to be based upon pragmatic research

format_quote Originally Posted by Ümit

One could think out scenarios where it is possible where both giant and snake die...but the issue here is, this is clearly not real.
like you said, it is an exhibition.
There are many many photos available on the net you can find similar to this. All of them photoshopped, exhibitions, or whatever...none of them real fossils of giants.
@Mountains:
Like charisma, I also recommend you to stay away from these sites...you clearly cannot separate facts from fiction.

Not everything is photoshopped tho but claimed later to be photoshopped because it got out to the public and that is mostly their counter measure because they don't want to share that with the public. This is their main strategy. The plot of the shayteen is indeed weak brother.

The Smithsonian institution has been accused of destroying large skeletons of human remains for the last 100 years all around the world. You may ask why? Because if these bones get out to the public it would eventually KILL the evolution theory completely hence why they will protect it at all costs because if the evolution theory is killed off 100 years worth of research goes down the toilet overnight and all their higher science education curriculum is based on this and this is also based upon their school curriculum from 1st grade hence why they brain wash the kids from young age.

They are very aggressive in fighting against large skeleton remains being found allover the world. Like real really aggressive they would blame it on photoshop, hoax etc etc. Example Me and you we can find these skeletons right now but an hour later you will see thousands of tabloids posting this is hoax or photoshopped and in some cases they will deploy forces to secure the skeletons. They use the same drill rinse and repeat.

They are indeed very predictable and weak in their plots.

By the way this is not against Islam.

Here is what the Prophet(sa) said regarding this matter which gives you the truth.

''Adam and Eve stood 27-30m''

''Humans have been decreasing ever since in height''

''Life-span was 1000 years and we have been decreasing in that as well''

All the skeletons and remains that have been found so far come in varity of size and heights meaning they come from different timelines and according to the knowledge we have today we can pin-point a skeleton by it's size and height and give it an approx timeline.

So technically it was the prophet who shared this amazing piece of knowledge with us but they in return are trying hard to shout out the light but truth always remains and falsehood is bound to vanish.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ümit

Who are "they", brother? the non muslims? christens? evolutioners?


where did you get this info from? I do not know if I should believe this. theories are getting superseded all the time. it is not a big deal. The moment we discovered that the Earth was not flat, yes, the church was against that...but still the truth got to the open despite the church had so much power and influence etc.

There is a whole list actually with theories but got superseded or replaced. Remember the Newtonian physics we loved to use in every day life? we still love to use it because it is easy to use and accurate enough...that theory got replaced by Einsteins relativistic physics.

So it happens the whole time. people know science is only an appoximation of the absolute truth...and as soon as a better explanation is found that is capable of answering more questions than the previous one, the older explanation gets replaced. that is how it works.
No one, except a few individuals or institutes would benefit from a false theory.

If there were lots of bones of giants out there...throughout the world...do you think it is possible for the smithsonian institute to get their hands on every one of them?
Wouldn't there be a single soul who will put those things on the internet?

I am aware of the hadeeth of Adam as being 60 cubits in Heaven.
I however do not know what that means.

You know, we Muslims are obligated to believe every word in the Quraan and saheeh hadeeth as absolute truth. Even though we do not understand it, we must have a firm faith in it and trust in its truth.

So Adam as might be 60 cubits in Heaven...was he also 60 cubits on Earth? we dont know.
about growing smaller...this might be smaller in size of smaller in richness of genetics.
I do not know how pure the translation of the hadeeth is into english.

Perhaps it is meant literally 60 cubits on earth and literally growing smaller...and for some reason, we cannot find bones...
So untill science is so ripe that it really can prove the actual size of Adam as on Earth...I stick to the 60 cubits in heaven...whatever that means....and accept that I do not understand it exactly...yet...

The evolution theory will never get superseded because it symbolizes Iblees' victory over the children of Adam hence why it will stay and they will do everything they can to keep it for as long as they can. A portion of the secret societies run the research authorities from Paris so they have a tight grip on things as it stands currently. Imagine what Iblees' has achieved in this epoch which is convince large scores that they indeed were mere apes thousand years ago? So tell me who hates mankind this much to enforce this upon them?

The prophet didn't mean only in heaven but earth and that his progeny kept decreasing in size on earth.

Large skeletons have been found allover the world and documented countless times reaching above 10.000 times but the fun thing is that the same thing kept happening someone was stealing and buying from peasants for alot of money and destroying them. As I said previously they are very aggressive in the fight against the discovery of large skeletons it would completely demolish evolution theory and while not leaving one single stone standing

format_quote Originally Posted by Mountains

... is that the same thing kept happening someone was stealing and buying from peasants for alot of money and destroying them.

The Smithsonian Institute.

format_quote Originally Posted by keiv

I came into the thread late and only read the OP. The previous “resets” weren’t signs of the end of times in the way that mog and Magog are meant to be, so I don’t think that will be a “reset” in the sense you’re speaking of.

Gog and Magog is only a sign but not the end of the world itself hence why Gog and magog serve as a ''reset'' tool for mankind they will reset everything and what comes after them will be a completeley new world altogether. New dawn of mankind.

Islam will vanish completely by default decades after Isa banu Maryam but it won't be the end of the world humans will continue to exist for probably another few thousands of years which means our technology will be lost to these post-Gog and magog era but they will be able to see some of our remaining books and by that I mean these that age well. New languages will emerge and nations, borders etc etc and also new mixed mulatto races probably rises from some corners while in others same colors. They will go thru the natural process of reaching technologically advanced civilization like ours which could take them few thousand years or centuries depending on how quick their population numbers rise up again.

One thing to note regarding Islam is that everything has a time limit including religions. The prophet said Islam's era will not exceed 1500 years meaning it can reach upto 1599 years but not cross 1600 years. We have approx left 150-160 years

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

The Smithsonian Institute.

Not only the Smithsonian Institute others are also active in destroying them and to make it short for you it is these who are affiliated with secret societies who have this agenda. Regular people who are not affiliated with them don't care about the skeletons whether they are found or not and to be honest they are against hiding them. Just like the court case with the smithsonian but the thing is that these associated with the secret societies have much more power and resources so they can hide things much better and manipulate the regular Joes who are not suspecting anything

format_quote Originally Posted by Ümit

Dear brother,
These are serious accusations you are making right now. Did you witness yourself any of this? or do you otherwise have some sort of proof to back these claims up?
If not, can you swear to me that these claims are true?

I am asking this because I want you to realize that these accusations will turn back at you at judgement day if they happen to be untrue, or partially untrue.
Where did you get this information? on which site? did they present proof or did you just believe what you read?

I do not know whether it is true or false what you are saying...I just want you to be careful and do not make hasty conclusions from everything you read and heard somewhere.

about the Smithsonian Institute...I googled it a little but never found any accusations against them about this topic. Can please someone explain to me or provide links where I can read how agressive this institute is...and how they work...so that I can understand where this idea comes from?

About the evolution theory.
Since the first idea of it, the evolution theory has been changed many times. in the meantime, there are many variations of it. we have the pre-Darwinian theories, Darwinism of course, Vitalism, Catastrophism, natural selection Theistic evolution, etc...

Ehm...

We know that science is only an approximation of the absolute truth. So, it is accepted that a theory turns out to be untrue, or partially untrue untill a better explanation has been found.
As the human kind develops, we understand our world better and better and therefore our theories get replaced for more accurate theories, or partially changed, or get more detailed, etc.

One example of this is the theistic evolution.

You know, in Islaam Allah told us that He created us from clay and dirt...but not much detail is given how...If we want to know how the process of creation took place, we must search and investigate ourselves...and that is exactly what we are doing untill now.
Allah may have used evolution as a tool to create all the life...or maybe the creation process was totally different...we may never know...that is something time will tell...

But the issue here and now is that it is not a matter of case whether one believes in evolution or not...
We believe in Allah as our creator...and evolution theory is the best explanation we have so far how that took place (according to our scientists) Allah may (or may not) have used this as a tool to create life.

Just do not worry your head about it...when human kind is ripe enough for it (or IF that time ever comes), we will find more clues for this or we may develop totally different theories.

The things you are writting here is very concerning to say the least brother saying evolution is the best thing we have so far? probably the worst take I have heard in a long time and it is very dengerous for your overall faith and hope you make Tawba from it.

As for the proof here it is but before I give you the link I just wanna add that I knew about this phenomenon before The Smithsonian Institute admitted themselves to destroying large skeletons.
So technically you have it from the horses own mouth and it was revealed in a court case back in 2015 but personally I knew this as far back as late 2000-ish. Many people in the industry know how this works behind the scenes not a secret at all but only for the unsuspecting joes this is mindblowing but this is real not surprising at all.

On 3 December 2014, World News Daily Report published an article titled “Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in Early 1900’s.” In that article, the site reported the Smithsonian Institution colluded with unspecified parties to suppress information proving the existence of giants, and the Supreme Court ruled in 2014 that documentation of the discovery be declassified in 2015:

A US Supreme Court ruling has forced the Smithsonian institution to release classified papers dating from the early 1900’s that proves the organization was involved in a major historical cover up of evidence showing giants human remains in the tens of thousands had been uncovered all across America and were ordered to be destroyed by high level administrators to protect the mainstream chronology of human evolution at the time.

The allegations stemming from the American Institution of Alternative Archeology (AIAA) that the Smithsonian Institution had destroyed thousands of giant human remains during the early 1900’s was not taken lightly by the Smithsonian who responded by suing the organization for defamation and trying to damage the reputation of the 168-year old institution.

During the court case, new elements were brought to light as several Smithsonian whistle blowers admitted to the existence of documents that allegedly proved the destruction of tens of thousands of human skeletons reaching between 6 feet and 12 feet in height, a reality mainstream archeology can not admit to for different reasons, claims AIAA spokesman, James Churward.

A US Supreme Court ruling has forced the Smithsonian institution to release classified papers dating from the early 1900′s that proves the organization was involved in a major historical cover up of evidence showing giants human remains in the tens of thousands had been uncovered all across America and were ordered to be destroyed by high level administrators to protect the mainstream chronology of human evolution at the time.


«There has been a major cover up by western archaeological institutions since the early 1900′s to make us believe that America was first colonized by Asian peoples migrating through the Bering Strait 15,000 years ago, when in fact, there are hundreds of thousands of burial mounds all over America which the Natives claim were there a long time before them, and that show traces of a highly developed civilization, complex use of metal alloys and where giant human skeleton remains are frequently found but still go unreported in the media and news outlets» he explains.

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A turning point of the court case was when a 1.3 meter long human femur bone was shown as evidence in court of the existence of such giant human bones. The evidence came as a blow to the Smithsonian’s lawyers as the bone had been stolen from the Smithsonian by one of their high level curators in the mid 1930′s who had kept the bone all his life and which had admitted on his deathbed in writing of the undercover operations of the Smithsonian.

«It is a terrible thing that is being done to the American people» he wrote in the letter. «We are hiding the truth about the forefathers of humanity, our ancestors, the giants who roamed the earth as recalled in the Bible and ancient texts of the world».

The US Supreme Court has since forced the Smithsonian Institution to publicly release classified information about anything related to the “destruction of evidence pertaining to the mound builder culture” and to elements “relative to human skeletons of greater height than usual”, a ruling the AIAA is extremely enthused about.

«The public release of these documents will help archaeologists and historians to reevaluate current theories about human evolution and help us greater our understanding of the mound builder culture in America and around the world» explains AIAA director, Hans Guttenberg. «Finally, after over a century of lies, the truth about our giant ancestors shall be revealed to the world» he acknowledges, visibly satisfied by the court ruling.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141225085343/https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/smithsonian-admits-to-destruction-of-thousands-of-giant-human-skeletons-in-early-1900s/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sm...ant-skeletons/

Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in Early 1900's Did the Smithsonian destroy recovered skeletons of giant humanoids to preserve the narrative of evolution?...