Do you support Sharia Law and should true Muslims strive to implement...

What do you understand by Sharia Law? Do you know exactly what Sharia Law is or are you just basing your opinion on what you have heard from media outlets? Because there's a lot of misinformation floating around regarding Sharia Law.

I know nothing about Sharia Law.

It's my understanding that some Muslim nations live under Sharia Law but that the majority do not.

I'm curious how Muslims here feel about living under Sharia Law.

It would be ironic for a person to claim they're Muslim, yet reject Islamic rulings.

Regarding your second part. A non Islamic country living according to Islamic laws? To be quite honest, I don't see how that would work. Unless Muslim countries take the "democratic" approach and drop freedom bombs on every country that doesn't conform to their beliefs, it's not gonna happen.

format_quote Originally Posted by keiv

It would be ironic for a person to claim they're Muslim, yet reject Islamic rulings.

Regarding your second part. A non Islamic country living according to Islamic laws? To be quite honest, I don't see how that would work. Unless Muslim countries take the "democratic" approach and drop freedom bombs on every country that doesn't conform to their beliefs, it's not gonna happen.

I have had similar conversations with American Christians who believe the laws of the nation should be based on the bible. I don't share that view. Furthermore and, unlike in the Islamic world, which does have nations which base some of their laws on the Koran (or so I understand) I don't know of any nation that governs based on the Christian bible.

In my view and, in order that we can ALL have equal rights and equal opportunities to live our lives in accordance with our own values, I believe that governments should be SECULAR. However, there are limitations. For instance, your freedom to be you includes another's freedom to be free FROM you. In other words, it should NOT be legal to murder or rape another simply because one's "religion" says that it's "ok". Make sense?

One concern that many non-Muslims have is that, if and when Muslims become the majority, freedoms will be lost and replaced with Sharia Law. However, I also know that there are many Muslims that do not live under Sharia Law nor do they want to. My guess is that those Muslims are not as committed to Islam just like some Christians who are not as devout as other Christians that want to live under some type of Christian theocracy.

Hence, my question in the OP.

Thanks for the feedback.

Your concerns arise mostly due to misunderstanding that Sharia law is some sort of draconian law, which is entirely not true. That is why I asked earlier whether you know exactly what Sharia law is.

Sharia law is based on divinely revealed laws found in the Quran and Sunnah. It is an all-encompassing law which guarantees:

• Social equality and justice
• Religious freedom and coexistence
• Financial security
• Human and animal rights
• Political stability and sovereignty

and a lot more

It safeguards the society against all sorts of mischief and corruption, and serves as a deterrent for almost all the crimes.

I think this link explains it all in better way: Sharia law: What it is, what it isn’t, and why you should know - Theos Think Tank - Understanding faith. Enriching society.

This is another brief explanation related to its financial aspects: Sharia Law - Overview, Sources, Principles, Categories (corporatefinanceinstitute.com)

I don't think anyone needs to be under sharia law to be a good person and do good .

Quran (2:62): Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve

format_quote Originally Posted by Wingchung39

I don't think anyone needs to be under sharia law to be a good person and do good .

Even if you're on the fitrah, you still need Sharia to protect yourself from those who are not.

That is a good point you have made there , I live in India and its officially a democratic country but we have lots of problems from other religions and people . Most people don't even know what the meaning of democracy is .
Every time i go out i face a lot of problems on a daily basis .


But sometimes what we see as sharia laws are laws laid down by terrorist groups such as Taliban and ISIS .

All those feels like the opposite of what Quran talks about religion here ,

There shall be no compulsion in the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?

You say that some muslims dont want to live under sharia?

Apparently. After all, how many Muslim-majority nations are there that are not under Sharia Law?

format_quote Originally Posted by Yrvhere?

Those so called muslim leaders have opposed ALLAH and hence they have apostated. They have no authority to make laws! If they were really the servants of ALLAH , they would have brought sharia law in their country and waged jihad. But they are a part of kufriya system which takes a person out of islam.
But why are u asking all this? Simple answer to your question is all muslims do support sharia law and those who are against it they are not muslims.

Why should non-Muslims want to welcome Muslims to their community since Muslims want Sharia rather than secular law?

format_quote Originally Posted by Wingchung39

I don't think anyone needs to be under sharia law to be a good person and do good .

How do you objectively determine what is good and bad in a secular world? Besides, Islamic laws encompass a whole lot more than simply whether a person does good or bad

format_quote Originally Posted by Patrick21

I have had similar conversations with American Christians who believe the laws of the nation should be based on the bible. I don't share that view. Furthermore and, unlike in the Islamic world, which does have nations which base some of their laws on the Koran (or so I understand) I don't know of any nation that governs based on the Christian bible.

In my view and, in order that we can ALL have equal rights and equal opportunities to live our lives in accordance with our own values, I believe that governments should be SECULAR. However, there are limitations. For instance, your freedom to be you includes another's freedom to be free FROM you. In other words, it should NOT be legal to murder or rape another simply because one's "religion" says that it's "ok". Make sense?

One concern that many non-Muslims have is that, if and when Muslims become the majority, freedoms will be lost and replaced with Sharia Law. However, I also know that there are many Muslims that do not live under Sharia Law nor do they want to. My guess is that those Muslims are not as committed to Islam just like some Christians who are not as devout as other Christians that want to live under some type of Christian theocracy.

Hence, my question in the OP.

Thanks for the feedback.

These Muslims that oppose laws which are based on the religion they follow, is there more to the story? I don't understand the logic behind that.

No country would last long if it ruled on the views you presented. America is not quite there yet, but it's slowly headed in that direction. The lgbtq+ agenda has taken off full throttle and is now being heavily marketed and shoved in our faces. There was a time when you would be considered a bigot for telling a gay person they weren't born that way, but rather chose it. Yet, nowadays, the lgbtq community is telling everyone that they can choose to be whatever they want. That's just the start. Wait till more groups come out asking for their freedom and equality.

format_quote Originally Posted by keiv

These Muslims that oppose laws which are based on the religion they follow, is there more to the story? I don't understand the logic behind that.

No country would last long if it ruled on the views you presented. America is not quite there yet, but it's slowly headed in that direction. The lgbtq+ agenda has taken off full throttle and is now being heavily marketed and shoved in our faces. There was a time when you would be considered a bigot for telling a gay person they weren't born that way, but rather chose it. Yet, nowadays, the lgbtq community is telling everyone that they can choose to be whatever they want. That's just the start. Wait till more groups come out asking for their freedom and equality.

At least the American left supports Islam; they hate Christianity.

Hey Patrick, Shariah simply means God's Law. It is the law that God prescribed. That's all. Everything in Islam is considered to be from Allah's shariah. From praying and fasting, to inheritance laws and socio-economic rights to whatever else God commanded us to do or forbade us from.

format_quote Originally Posted by Labayk

Hey Patrick, Shariah simply means God's Law.

I understand. You're opposed to secular government and you want society to be governmed by the laws of Islam. You don't recognize another citizen's desire or "right" to be free from your belief system. This is why I am opposed to the U.S. accepting migrants that want to be ruled by a theocracy rather than the U.S. Constitution.

format_quote Originally Posted by Patrick21

At least the American left supports Islam; they hate Christianity.

They do not support Islam. Various middle eastern countries have literally been bombed back to the stone age. The US is either directly or indirectly responsible for those attacks. From Bush to Obama, left or right, it makes no difference. What western liberals and modernists support are the likes of Ilhan Omar, Yasir Qadhi, Omar Suleiman, and so on.

format_quote Originally Posted by Patrick21

I understand. You're opposed to secular government and you want society to be governmed by the laws of Islam. You don't recognize another citizen's desire or "right" to be free from your belief system. This is why I am opposed to the U.S. accepting migrants that want to be ruled by a theocracy rather than the U.S. Constitution.

I don't think you understand. I was born and raised in the US. I oppose the things which go against my belief (drinking, drugs, relations outside of marriage, same sex relations, and the list goes on). Does that mean I try to force others into following my belief? No. This country allows people who enjoy doing the filth mentioned above to be free from my belief system. Does that mean I cannot live here? No. I'm not able to practice my religion 100%, but I have the freedom to openly identify as a Muslim, to pray, to fast, to go to the mosque. I also have the freedom to stay away from people and places that promote the things that go against my beliefs. Same goes for those that migrate here.

format_quote Originally Posted by keiv

Does that mean I try to force others into following my belief? No.

If Muslims were the majority and they wanted to abolish the Constitution in favor of Sharia Law, would you support it?

If a potential immigrant disagrees with the U.S. Constitution, they should instead immigrate to a nation that shares their values.